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Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 - 10:24 AM UTC
Very Cool !!!

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Posted: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 - 01:47 AM UTC

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Very Cool !!!

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Thanks buddy! Appreciate it,
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Posted: Thursday, September 12, 2013 - 04:13 AM UTC
Lower your point of aim Ted!!!


Wrong angle shot of the Chateux FroidCour but it is the real deal and would have been in this guys left front in the distance during the attack.
Some other pics. I see I need to address the e tool handle as it got verschmutz.




Any other areas that need addressing before I move on to the groundwork and machine gun stuff?
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Posted: Saturday, September 14, 2013 - 08:58 AM UTC
Hi Jerry,

if the colours in the photos are "right" I find the reddish colour of the mud on the shoes too....well..reddish!

You remember the discussion we had about Ardennes soil and it definitely lacks any ironoxide components.

Also....I personally find that the uniform might be a tad too OD dark. Basically the OD dark is right, but I would suggest that the highlights should be a bit greenish. The overall effect gets "lighter" and thus better I find.

And the changes can be done without starting everything all over again.

Why do I bother...well, I am encountering a similar "problem" with the USMC uniforms in HUE.

Of course it's up to you to decide m8!

Apart from that ...and the "verschmutzter Griff vom Klappspaten " of course...I like him a bunch buddy!!
And nice M1 strap!! Looks just great!!

I have to watch this closely...so that I can't miss anything! Would be a pity!

Keep up the brilliant work!!

Cheers

Romain

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Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 02:40 AM UTC

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Hi Jerry,

if the colours in the photos are "right" I find the reddish colour of the mud on the shoes too....well..reddish!

You remember the discussion we had about Ardennes soil and it definitely lacks any ironoxide components.

Also....I personally find that the uniform might be a tad too OD dark. Basically the OD dark is right, but I would suggest that the highlights should be a bit greenish. The overall effect gets "lighter" and thus better I find.

And the changes can be done without starting everything all over again.

Why do I bother...well, I am encountering a similar "problem" with the USMC uniforms in HUE.

Of course it's up to you to decide m8!

Apart from that ...and the "verschmutzter Griff vom Klappspaten " of course...I like him a bunch buddy!!
And nice M1 strap!! Looks just great!!

I have to watch this closely...so that I can't miss anything! Would be a pity!

Keep up the brilliant work!!

Cheers

Romain




I know what you mean about the OD color. I can't seem to nail it down. I think I am adding too much pure white to the basic OD when I mix my lighter colors and maybe,like you suggested,should add some more of a different color light green to the mix. This is all new to me as I have been doing the German stuff for so long. I did purposely make this guy darker to begin with as I was going for variation between the 3 figs.
I remembered the pics you sent of the dirt in the roads. The road seemed to have a greyish color but was that the native dirt color or because the road had a layer of crushed stone with limestone base? When it gets wet this kind of road almost looks like wet cement. So I am confused and also dissapointed. Because if my mud color is wrong I just made a big boo boo with my halftrack as well!
Sometimes it sux to be a slave to accuracy doesn't it?
Always appreciate it when you put in your comments buddy,
J
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Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 03:28 AM UTC

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Hi Jerry,

if the colours in the photos are "right" I find the reddish colour of the mud on the shoes too....well..reddish!

You remember the discussion we had about Ardennes soil and it definitely lacks any ironoxide components.

Also....I personally find that the uniform might be a tad too OD dark. Basically the OD dark is right, but I would suggest that the highlights should be a bit greenish. The overall effect gets "lighter" and thus better I find.

And the changes can be done without starting everything all over again.

Why do I bother...well, I am encountering a similar "problem" with the USMC uniforms in HUE.

Of course it's up to you to decide m8!

Apart from that ...and the "verschmutzter Griff vom Klappspaten " of course...I like him a bunch buddy!!
And nice M1 strap!! Looks just great!!

I have to watch this closely...so that I can't miss anything! Would be a pity!

Keep up the brilliant work!!

Cheers

Romain




I know what you mean about the OD color. I can't seem to nail it down. I think I am adding too much pure white to the basic OD when I mix my lighter colors and maybe,like you suggested,should add some more of a different color light green to the mix. This is all new to me as I have been doing the German stuff for so long. I did purposely make this guy darker to begin with as I was going for variation between the 3 figs.
I remembered the pics you sent of the dirt in the roads. The road seemed to have a greyish color but was that the native dirt color or because the road had a layer of crushed stone with limestone base? When it gets wet this kind of road almost looks like wet cement. So I am confused and also dissapointed. Because if my mud color is wrong I just made a big boo boo with my halftrack as well!
Sometimes it sux to be a slave to accuracy doesn't it?
Always appreciate it when you put in your comments buddy,
J



Jerry you have nailed the problem most accurately. It is the white that turns the OD greyish. As I paint in enamels, I can only give you this info. I add some light green/turquoise, let's call it "duck egg blue" and even a tad of brighter green to my mix.
I don't say it's perfect (far from it even), but as you correctly said...it's not easy!
I'll try to back this up with a couple of pics, but my camera is gone for the moment and I don't trust the mobile photography too much! We'll see!

Yeah, the "soil pics" I sent come from the phone as well, but I can assure you that there is not the slightest tint of red in Ardennes soil!
Don't be too upset...a short session with your airbrush...and everything will be fine I'm sure!

Cheers bro!

Romain

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Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 08:57 AM UTC

I tried a couple of photos...but I'm not too happy with the results! See for yourself:



and



Gosh! Are those photos crappy.!!!! Please try to be merciful! Thank you in advance!!

as you say...not that easy!!

Cheers

Romain

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Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 10:05 AM UTC
Looking real good, Jerry!

Wish I could offer some suggestions for the OD color mixes, but I take it you're doing all the painting with acrylics?

It's a real balancing act trying to get the color and tone to match while also compensating for the scale lighting. That late OD is distinctly "greenish", especially when new, but it also get's quite "gray" when it starts to fade.

Maybe this will help a little.



The model M1941 jacket (and webbing) on the right is quite faded (but also still distinctly greenish), but the model M1943 jacket (and webbing) on the left is in near mint condition. You might note that the M1943 has pieces of the khaki colored earlier uniform cloth used on the inside double-thickness areas.

There's also a lot of "transistion" web gear made with both the earlier and later colored materials on the same item.

(BTW: The helmet in the foreground is the Commonwealth Dispatch Rider's Helmet - here a Canadian manufactured example.)

Anyways, the color in this photo is pretty good when compared to the actual items.

Looking forward to seeing more!
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Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 12:50 PM UTC
Well well well. Romain,yes,I will be merciless with the quality of your pix!! But the painting....wqw! Very nice. I can tell it is good in spite of the pix.
We can see here from the pics of the real M43 cloth though that there is a difference between the Nam era Fatigues and the M43 in color and in type of cloth. The Nam stuff was usually rip stop nylon fabric and unless it was brand new faded a very distinct way. I wore this stuff as we still used it when I was active duty and going to jungle warfare school in Panama.
What is sure is I need more green in the last guy I painted.
Romain,that is a great figgie there,is it a Bravo^? Great touch having him tap his magazine on top of his helmet to make sure the rounds are seated.
Mike,those pics are invaluable for a lot of reasons,including the way the frags look. I just found some frags in my spares box(long neglected) from 3 different companies and the old old Italerei ones look the best,IMHO,with nice demarcations on the "squares" and the handle. I also got a very nice WWII era resin 50cal ammo box from my buddy that came from a Legends ass. set for the M48 tank
Thanks,my two friends,for looking in and the advice.
Ah yes.....the red mud..the red mud. What to do?
J
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Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 02:12 PM UTC
I've just been sorta quietly watching but I love how the figures are turning out. The poses really give the scene motion...if that makes sense. Red mud... maybe take your normal mud color and add small amounts of whatever red color you're using until it has a good reddish tint? I know the look you're talking about. Seems like it could be tricky to achieve.

-Conor
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Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2013 - 06:17 PM UTC
Yes Jerry, the Marine tapping the mag is Bravo6, the other one is from Evolution.

I'm glad you like the paintjob!

I hate my pics!! Sometimes I wonder why I do such things..

getting old I suppose

Red mud can/must be overpainted with an airbrush, mud splatters...well, that might be tricky, but oils could be useful. You have plenty of time to wipe off excesses around the splatters afterwards.
Not an issue to envy you on I'm afraid!

Paratroopers are tough! You'll manage surely!

Good luck

Romain
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Posted: Monday, September 16, 2013 - 02:13 AM UTC

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I've just been sorta quietly watching but I love how the figures are turning out. The poses really give the scene motion...if that makes sense. Red mud... maybe take your normal mud color and add small amounts of whatever red color you're using until it has a good reddish tint? I know the look you're talking about. Seems like it could be tricky to achieve.

-Conor



Thanks for looking in Conor,glad to see you're still alive!
Actually it is the reverse problem I am facing. I need to turn the red mud into greyish tan.
J
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Posted: Monday, September 16, 2013 - 02:15 AM UTC

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Yes Jerry, the Marine tapping the mag is Bravo6, the other one is from Evolution.

I'm glad you like the paintjob!

I hate my pics!! Sometimes I wonder why I do such things..

getting old I suppose




Red mud can/must be overpainted with an airbrush, mud splatters...well, that might be tricky, but oils could be useful. You have plenty of time to wipe off excesses around the splatters afterwards.
Not an issue to envy you on I'm afraid!

Paratroopers are tough! You'll manage surely!

Good luck

Romain



Ok ok ok,easy for you to say!! Hahaha.
I do still like a challenge,
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Posted: Monday, September 16, 2013 - 04:34 AM UTC


Of course you do m8!! If you didn't you would have become an MP!

Take care buddy!

Cheers

R.

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Posted: Saturday, September 21, 2013 - 02:56 AM UTC
Right before my buddy Wally sent me a bunch of these I found a few in a long overlooked spare parts box I have. My eyes have been acting up again so I took advantage of the down time to go through all of my stock and get rid of a lot of antiques that I now acknowledge I will never use.
I believe these came with the old old Italerei kit of American paratroopers? Anyway,they are really nice lookin frags considering how old they


Wally also sent me these as I was needing some WWII 50cal ammo cans. I am familiar with the kind in the background as we were still shooting off ammo from these in the 80s when I was in Germany and they are from the WWII era. The two kinds in the foreground are unfamiliar to me. Anyone know?? Commonwealth issue maybe?
They don't look like the modern cans I saw in the 70s 80s or 90s. Maybe newer than the 90s??
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Posted: Saturday, September 21, 2013 - 05:58 AM UTC
Hi Jerry,

From hospital and Ipad, so only a quicky

The frag grenades are top notch.

I too wonder at the ammo cans!!?! British seems a bit odd, as they are .50s..? Maybe early models (even prewar???)

And thanks a lot for the kind appreciation of my paintjob!

Cheers

Romain


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Posted: Saturday, September 21, 2013 - 07:11 AM UTC

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Hi Jerry,

From hospital and Ipad, so only a quicky

The frag grenades are top notch.

I too wonder at the ammo cans!!?! British seems a bit odd, as they are .50s..? Maybe early models (even prewar???)

And thanks a lot for the kind appreciation of my paintjob!

Cheers

Romain

I wonder if they might be a mod that can be attached to a vehicle or something like that? Stowage?
J



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Posted: Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 10:32 AM UTC
Hey Jerry,

Boy, you turn up some of the best puzzles!

I confess I'd never seen a side-opening, single-latch 50. cal ammo can. I was familiar with the side-opening cans with the wide latch (back row in your photo), but was stumped with the single-latch cans.

However, the inter-web was my friend today...



Once I saw the first photo, I found all kinds of them. I'm not sure, but I'd guess from the hefty construction and canvas handles that these are an early type of can replaced by the later, lightweight cans with the wide wire latches and collapsible handles.

That's just a guess, though.

Ya learn something new everyday, and this was my new tid-bit!

Cheers!
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Posted: Sunday, September 22, 2013 - 08:31 PM UTC
Yup, the "early type" was my guess too, due to the "less modern" look.
But as you said.....it's only a guess!
We can thank Jerry for bringing up a new riddle

Cheers

Romain
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2013 - 02:16 AM UTC
Thanks Mike for turning up this tid bit. Holy cow that thing looks like it takes two guys to lift it. Robust is an understatement.
I could see guys with flat hats and gaiters lugging this thing while a guy with a Sam Brown belt and cigarette holder looks on from under the shade on the veranda at the "quad".
Sorry Romain,I think only Mike will get that last part.
Thanks Guys,
J
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2013 - 02:44 AM UTC

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... I could see guys with flat hats and gaiters lugging this thing while a guy with a Sam Brown belt and cigarette holder looks on from under the shade on the veranda at the "quad". ...



"You'd think those guys would get a bit faster after doing that crew-drill all day...

[In an exasperated voice while putting down the stop-watch]

And just where is that house boy with my mint julep!?"

ROTFLMAO!!!
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Posted: Monday, September 23, 2013 - 05:32 AM UTC

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... I could see guys with flat hats and gaiters lugging this thing while a guy with a Sam Brown belt and cigarette holder looks on from under the shade on the veranda at the "quad". ...



"You'd think those guys would get a bit faster after doing that crew-drill all day...

[In an exasperated voice while putting down the stop-watch]

And just where is that house boy with my mint julep!?"

ROTFLMAO!!!




Ummm,come to think of it,forget the Julip,I'm due at the O club for Polo. First Sergeant,take charge here. Ta!
J
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Posted: Monday, October 07, 2013 - 11:37 AM UTC
Hi Jerry, I'm new to the forum, and enjoyed your build up of these characters so far. At first I thought these were 1/9th or 1/16th scale...but 1/35th! One of the skills I want to work on these few days off, is painting figures. I see I will need to start from the basic "basics" Is there a thread here on Armorama that shows how to get good results as you learn? Can you recommend a book? Thanks!
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Posted: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 01:34 AM UTC

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Hi Jerry, I'm new to the forum, and enjoyed your build up of these characters so far. At first I thought these were 1/9th or 1/16th scale...but 1/35th! One of the skills I want to work on these few days off, is painting figures. I see I will need to start from the basic "basics" Is there a thread here on Armorama that shows how to get good results as you learn? Can you recommend a book? Thanks!




First off Rocco,welcome to the site. Nice to see you here. Thanks for the very kind words as well.
I can't recall ever doing a paint tutorial on line myself,probably because I feel my painting sux! But I did recall James doing a very nice one of this forum. I am hopeless with a computor and don't know how to post a link so I bumped his tutorial and it should be just under my post right now. It is called something like German Infantry in Barberossa or something like that. Above all man....HAVE FUN!!
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Hi Jerry, I'm new to the forum, and enjoyed your build up of these characters so far. At first I thought these were 1/9th or 1/16th scale...but 1/35th! One of the skills I want to work on these few days off, is painting figures. I see I will need to start from the basic "basics" Is there a thread here on Armorama that shows how to get good results as you learn? Can you recommend a book? Thanks!




First off Rocco,welcome to the site. Nice to see you here. Thanks for the very kind words as well.
I can't recall ever doing a paint tutorial on line myself,probably because I feel my painting sux! But I did recall James doing a very nice one of this forum. I am hopeless with a computor and don't know how to post a link so I bumped his tutorial and it should be just under my post right now. It is called something like German Infantry in Barberossa or something like that. Above all man....HAVE FUN!!
J



Hi Rocco,

I hope my buddy Jerry doesn't mind too much if I hack in on his thread, but here are a couple of links to other sources for painting and building miniatures:

First up is the Historicus Forma which is the figure site to Armorama on the KitMaker Network:

Historicus Forma

Surf around there a bit (it's just like Armorama but for figures) and you'll quickly find a ton of good stuff like these:

Gary Ross Wheelhouse's
Another one down!

and Andy Evan's
Painting Splinter Pattern

Another good resource for figure modeling is CoolMini or Not:

Cool Mini or Not

Here's their article index. Scroll down and you'll find literally dozens of step-by-step painting articles.

Cool Mini or Not::Article Index

Here's another three-part demo on basic figure painting:

AMPS Central SC::Figure Painting Part One

AMPS Central SC::Figure Painting Part Two

AMPS Central SC::Figure Paining Part Three

I would also suggest that you have a clear idea of the medium that you will be using to paint with - acrylics, hobby enamels, or artist oils. Each artist will describe his or her techniques and methods in the context of his or her medium, and those techniques and methods may or may not transfer to your own medium. This can make understanding and applying what you're reading very difficult, especially for the beginner.

For example, I paint with artist oils. However, if you paint with acrylics, the techniques I use are not much help for you. I won't hijack Jerry's thread any more, but if you want to discuss that medium, artist oils, I'll be happy to do so on one of my own threads:

Armorama::Italian Ariete Tankers North Africa

Welcome aboard and happy modeling!