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Posted: Friday, August 16, 2013 - 09:13 AM UTC
Started modifying the dragon MG crew from the earlier battledress to the green olive drabs used in the ardennes.

Lousy pic but what can ya do?
Off on one week vacation will have to get back to this later.
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Posted: Monday, August 19, 2013 - 02:02 PM UTC
Jerry,

An intriguing project. I look forward to the results.
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Posted: Monday, August 19, 2013 - 02:16 PM UTC
You all astound me with reworks that do, if you can't find make it. Maybe you should make a resin casting later, I'm sure somebody will need this figure later on down the road .
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Posted: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 - 07:35 AM UTC
Knocked out a little work on this one today. You can start to get the idea. Lots to still cover though.


Used an Alpine head this time.
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 01:30 AM UTC

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Jerry,

An intriguing project. I look forward to the results.



Thanks brother,sorry for not responding sooner. I always make it a point to do so. My vacation kind of got me turned around a little.
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 01:31 AM UTC

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You all astound me with reworks that do, if you can't find make it. Maybe you should make a resin casting later, I'm sure somebody will need this figure later on down the road .



Thanks for the vote of confidence.
I don't think I modified this guy enough for a resin casting though.
J
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 07:27 AM UTC
Got started on the section leader. Still needs tweeking. These close-ups really show me what needs work or not.
"Depress your fire gunner!!"





The 50cal is OK but could use some TLC. I will have to dig down in my memory and remember how the real ones looked and then aply that knowledge to upgrade it.
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 10:44 AM UTC
Well Mr. Rutman I can't really see anything that needs work. Looks awesome.
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 11:46 AM UTC
Nice work, Frederick. The gunner is coming along fine but the kneeling GI is terrific. The one hand he is motioning with looks great. Keep up the good work.
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 12:24 PM UTC

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Well Mr. Rutman I can't really see anything that needs work. Looks awesome.



It's all in the small details my friend. The jumpmaster training made me very keen to get everything just so.
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 12:26 PM UTC

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Nice work, Frederick. The gunner is coming along fine but the kneeling GI is terrific. The one hand he is motioning with looks great. Keep up the good work.
Ironmike



Thanks for the kind words. I do kind of like the section leader.
He has a Alpine head and hand,which is maybe why you noticed it?
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Posted: Thursday, August 29, 2013 - 10:51 PM UTC
Nice to see some US stuff from you Mr. Rutman! The pose you have the Section Leader in is fantastic- it really does look like he's telling the gunner to adjust his fire- excellent work.
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2013 - 01:54 AM UTC

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Nice to see some US stuff from you Mr. Rutman! The pose you have the Section Leader in is fantastic- it really does look like he's telling the gunner to adjust his fire- excellent work.



I do love it when plan comes together.
Always nice when you weigh in Karl
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2013 - 02:13 AM UTC
Jerry-- great work. May I suggest you adjust the T&E mechanism so the weapon points straight? If your intent is for the gunner to be firing down hill, the weapon appears to not have much room for barricade material.
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2013 - 02:38 AM UTC

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Jerry-- great work. May I suggest you adjust the T&E mechanism so the weapon points straight? If your intent is for the gunner to be firing down hill, the weapon appears to not have much room for barricade material.
DJ



Good point. The gun is still just cobbled together and almost no work has been done on it. Plenty of time.
The units history and log books do indicate that there was not much prep time between the op order and the execution of the attack. I don't think,therefor,that much could be done in the way of digging in. The weather was cold but above freezing and the top soil was very wet with the sub soil being kind of laced with ice,much like it gets here in Penna a lot in winter so that also hindered digging in.
I plan to have very hasty dug in positions and in fact,the gunner has an empty e-tool carrier on his other side.
The weather was misty and so the fires were too high at first plus the Germans had great positions picked out with the un armoured flak halftracks being sited behind nice roadside burms in hull down positions. Heck of a fight. Lots' of lead in the air that day on the two way rifle range.
Both side lost the wartime equivelent of a Bn of men from the 3/504 PIR and the III/SSPzGrenRegt2.
The German Bn commander was kia along with most of his company commanders after leading a violent counterattack. The american Bn had very few officers still on their feet at the end of the attack.
J
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2013 - 03:45 AM UTC
Jer,

These guys are looking pretty good. I'm anxious to hear and see more about the plan and composition of the diorama.

In regards to the heavy MG and gunner, the pose right now suggests to me that the gun is positioned on a hill top or slight rise, maybe just back from the topographical crest, and he's firing downhill across the forward slope.

Being slightly back from the topographical crest puts the gun position in dead space, and the top of the hill provides the desired cover. In this kind of location, the actual firing position doesn't need much preparation.

(For other readers here, think of the MG equivalent to a turret-down tank position.)

So, on the diorama, if the gun barrel is more or less parallel to the slope forward of the gun, then the crew has a good position - grazing fire and protection through the good use of the dead space. I could easily see the gun positioned to fire between some tree roots or rocks with maybe a shallow scrape for the gunner to lie in.

Of course, you, old friend, having a hard earned master's degree in "Infantry-ology" know all this already. However, for some of the others here, trust me, the pose so far looks just right and very realistic.

Looking forward to seeing more...
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2013 - 04:18 AM UTC

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Jer,

These guys are looking pretty good. I'm anxious to hear and see more about the plan and composition of the diorama.

In regards to the heavy MG and gunner, the pose right now suggests to me that the gun is positioned on a hill top or slight rise, maybe just back from the topographical crest, and he's firing downhill across the forward slope.

Being slightly back from the topographical crest puts the gun position in dead space, and the top of the hill provides the desired cover. In this kind of location, the actual firing position doesn't need much preparation.

(For other readers here, think of the MG equivalent to a turret-down tank position.)

So, on the diorama, if the gun barrel is more or less parallel to the slope forward of the gun, then the crew has a good position - grazing fire and protection through the good use of the dead space. I could easily see the gun positioned to fire between some tree roots or rocks with maybe a shallow scrape for the gunner to lie in.

Of course, you, old friend, having a hard earned master's degree in "Infantry-ology" know all this already. However, for some of the others here, trust me, the pose so far looks just right and very realistic.

Looking forward to seeing more...




This explanation is spot on and also shows why this guy was made a SergeantMajor!
Thanks for saying what I didn't...or couldn't!
Yes the military crest is your friend.as is the dirt!!
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Posted: Friday, August 30, 2013 - 09:00 AM UTC

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Jerry-- great work. May I suggest you adjust the T&E mechanism so the weapon points straight? If your intent is for the gunner to be firing down hill, the weapon appears to not have much room for barricade material.
DJ



Good point. The gun is still just cobbled together and almost no work has been done on it. Plenty of time.
The units history and log books do indicate that there was not much prep time between the op order and the execution of the attack. I don't think,therefor,that much could be done in the way of digging in. The weather was cold but above freezing and the top soil was very wet with the sub soil being kind of laced with ice,much like it gets here in Penna a lot in winter so that also hindered digging in.
I plan to have very hasty dug in positions and in fact,the gunner has an empty e-tool carrier on his other side.
The weather was misty and so the fires were too high at first plus the Germans had great positions picked out with the un armoured flak halftracks being sited behind nice roadside burms in hull down positions. Heck of a fight. Lots' of lead in the air that day on the two way rifle range.
Both side lost the wartime equivelent of a Bn of men from the 3/504 PIR and the III/SSPzGrenRegt2.
The German Bn commander was kia along with most of his company commanders after leading a violent counterattack. The american Bn had very few officers still on their feet at the end of the attack.
J



Jer-- which action are trying to display?
DJ
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Posted: Saturday, August 31, 2013 - 02:42 AM UTC

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Jerry-- great work. May I suggest you adjust the T&E mechanism so the weapon points straight? If your intent is for the gunner to be firing down hill, the weapon appears to not have much room for barricade material.
DJ



Good point. The gun is still just cobbled together and almost no work has been done on it. Plenty of time.
The units history and log books do indicate that there was not much prep time between the op order and the execution of the attack. I don't think,therefor,that much could be done in the way of digging in. The weather was cold but above freezing and the top soil was very wet with the sub soil being kind of laced with ice,much like it gets here in Penna a lot in winter so that also hindered digging in.
I plan to have very hasty dug in positions and in fact,the gunner has an empty e-tool carrier on his other side.
The weather was misty and so the fires were too high at first plus the Germans had great positions picked out with the un armoured flak halftracks being sited behind nice roadside burms in hull down positions. Heck of a fight. Lots' of lead in the air that day on the two way rifle range.
Both side lost the wartime equivelent of a Bn of men from the 3/504 PIR and the III/SSPzGrenRegt2.
The German Bn commander was kia along with most of his company commanders after leading a violent counterattack. The american Bn had very few officers still on their feet at the end of the attack.
J



Jer-- which action are trying to display?
DJ



DJ,
Thanks for looking in again.
I post on two or three websites so sometimes I forget what I said on what website. I just read the whole thread here and see why you ask this question. Sorry!!
The action took place on the northern shoulder of the bulge during the first week of the offensive. The 82nd Abn(my old bunch) had been pulled from strategic reserve and put into line south of Stomount and the 30th Inf Div to block the advance of the 1st SS PzDiv. My old Regt the 504PIR was the northern most in the 82nd line and was tasked to push east. This involved capturing the village of Cheneux Belgium,held by elements of the III/SS PzGrenRegt2 with attached unarmored halftracks from the Luftwaffe mounting 20mm flak guns and a battery of 105mm guns(towed) These guys were shortly re enforced with a half strength Bn of leg infantry from 1SS.
The 3/504 set up its support elements from HHC3/504 which included 50cal MGs and 81mm mortars o slighty higher ground to the west of the village. An odd adition to the support elements were two captured 251/9 German tracks mounting 75mm short barrel guns that had been captured when one of Peipers infantry companies had been ambushed on a route recon mission and essencially wiped out west of the Lienne creek.
The support fire opened up down hill and were hampered by mist and fire from well concealed German flak positions. Fire which severely chopped up the Inf companies as they made there way over open farm fields criss- crossed by cattle fences.
The attack bogged down several times but the sheer willpower of the Paras and the small unit leaders made sure the mission was accomplished. A flanking movement by one of the Companies was what finally did the trick. The German fire was so awesome that the Inf Bn Cmdr at one point forced a late arriving TD to pull forward in support at pistol point.
All this bravery of course,caused a lot of casualties and I believe B Comapany had about a dozen men standing at the end.
There was a violent German counterattack up the hill to restore their line but the mortars,MGs and rifle fire put an end to that nonsense and about wiped out that Bn along with most of their leadership.
So this little vignette is either during the initial attack or the German counterattack. Works for both. It will probably make more sense as I develope the scene,at least I hope so. Sorry for the long winded explanation but I have a lot of pride in my old Regt.(Even if this wasn't my Bn)
J
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Posted: Saturday, August 31, 2013 - 03:45 AM UTC
Jerry-- great fight to replicate. I will be watching this one closely. I am trying to get back in adding figure, but frankly, I truly suck at making them. Major deficiencies (which would be a no go in JM School) the seam when attaching the arms and facial tones. So, I am anxious to see your techniques.
Once again, great job
ATW
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Posted: Saturday, August 31, 2013 - 06:01 AM UTC
Thank you Sir! (with crisply rendered hand salute)
I wonder if you ever saw the "tank like" vehicles our Tank Bn was issued in 82nd Abn up to the 90s?
Cute little things made out of aluminum that would come apart at the seams if they burned in on a heavy drop.
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Posted: Saturday, August 31, 2013 - 06:20 AM UTC

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Thank you Sir! (with crisply rendered hand salute)
I wonder if you ever saw the "tank like" vehicles our Tank Bn was issued in 82nd Abn up to the 90s?
Cute little things made out of aluminum that would come apart at the seams if they burned in on a heavy drop.
J



My dear Friend-- I could tell you tales of the M551 Sheridan that would get me banned from this site.
ATW
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Posted: Saturday, August 31, 2013 - 09:07 AM UTC
Well,that said,I must admit they were fun having around in Panama when we took down Noriega in"Just Cause". One of the beasts would lead our convoys when going through Panama city,etc. Insurance against the much mentioned and always absent"Dignity Batallions".
J
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Posted: Sunday, September 01, 2013 - 05:30 AM UTC
Fascinating read Gentlemen, I enjoy Dios and Vignettes w/ a backstory logged behind them!

Will be following this one Jerry, Thanks for sharing all you have so far.

Cheers
Dave
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Posted: Sunday, September 01, 2013 - 09:28 AM UTC

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Fascinating read Gentlemen, I enjoy Dios and Vignettes w/ a backstory logged behind them!

Will be following this one Jerry, Thanks for sharing all you have so far.

Cheers
Dave


Thanks Dave,for the comments and kind words.
Looking back through the text I did make a few mistakes as I am wont to do. The Para Bn was the 1/504 and not the 3/504 while the German reinforcements came from the II/SS PzGrenRegt2 commanded by Hauptsturmfuehrer Scnelle and not the III/SS PzGrenRegt2. It does get hard keeping track of all of these numbers.
J
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