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Armor and ground forces of the Axis forces during World War II.
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Dragon Panzer IV E 3 in 1
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Posted: Sunday, January 19, 2014 - 07:46 PM UTC

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Nice paint job . No brush marks visible . Ran across aber 35a38 it's common elements for a panzer IV e turret in PE , will save a lot of scratch building for the turret . At six bucks was definitely worth the price .



Thanks, Vallejos go on real nice and settle down beautifully. If you don't slap it on, it's hard to go wrong with it. I have that Aber set too, got 2 more IVs and a couple of IIIs in the stash so it'll get used at some point. When the turret finally gets done, I'll see what can actually be seen and go from there for the next one.

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Posted: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 - 04:25 PM UTC
Does aber make any more detailing sets such as these for the panzer III and IV ?
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Posted: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 - 01:19 AM UTC

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Does aber make any more detailing sets such as these for the panzer III and IV ?



I think this was the only common set, Aber has all sorts of vehicle specific sets and some great accessories stuff too http://www.aber.net.pl/catalog.html

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Posted: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 - 01:18 PM UTC
Thanks .
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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2014 - 06:03 AM UTC
Going cross-eyed detail painting and trying not to lose itty-bitty parts for the new project. No spoilers, but I will say I'm seriously impressed with the level of detail and fit. Hopefully all will be done next week so I can get back to this puppy.

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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2014 - 06:35 AM UTC
Hi Kimmo

I've been wanting to ask for ages. During the build what was the black stuff you put on, and what's it for?

Thx
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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2014 - 06:56 AM UTC

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Hi Kimmo

I've been wanting to ask for ages. During the build what was the black stuff you put on, and what's it for?

Thx



The only black stuff I've been using is Vallejo Panzer Grey primer. I was using that in places to check seams and so on and now I've got the hull coated with it as well if that's what you meant?

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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2014 - 08:18 AM UTC

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Hi Kimmo

I've been wanting to ask for ages. During the build what was the black stuff you put on, and what's it for?

Thx



The only black stuff I've been using is Vallejo Panzer Grey primer. I was using that in places to check seams and so on and now I've got the hull coated with it as well if that's what you meant?

Kimmo



Yep that's what I meant. Thanks

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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2014 - 08:46 AM UTC
The bullet splash shields around the turret on the upper hull , what did you use to redo them ?
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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2014 - 09:29 AM UTC

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The bullet splash shields around the turret on the upper hull , what did you use to redo them ?



Some angle stock like this http://www.plastruct.com/pages/OnlineProductDetail.lasso?-op=%27eq%27&CCode=AFS-2 fortunately I had some that was almost a perfect match. Just needed to do a little shaving.

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Posted: Monday, February 03, 2014 - 12:15 PM UTC
I just want to correct the short little piece where the boarding ladder goes . I'm going to try my best to save that piece but in case I can't it's good to have something to replace it with . Thanks nice to have the catalog also .
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Posted: Sunday, March 02, 2014 - 12:35 PM UTC
I should be starting up again this week. My latest review build took a lot longer than anticipated, I'll post a link when it's up.

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Posted: Sunday, March 02, 2014 - 03:20 PM UTC
It'll be good seeing this one on the go again.
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Posted: Sunday, March 02, 2014 - 11:34 PM UTC

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It'll be good seeing this one on the go again.



Thanks! It'll be good to get going on it again. One of the pluses of doing the review build was a lot of detail painting practice.

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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - 02:04 AM UTC
Our long national nightmare is almost over, build review here http://armorama.com/features/5334&page=1

And if this toothache doesn't get any worse before seeing the dentist, I might just get something done on this project tomorrow.

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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - 02:07 AM UTC
This really is a first rate build
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - 02:19 AM UTC

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This really is a first rate build



I'll keep you in mind for the publicist's post Thanks

Kimmo
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - 02:55 AM UTC
Excellent work!!!
You should try rubber molding for those ammo bags, then make duplicates with 2 part liquid plastic.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 - 03:08 AM UTC

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Excellent work!!!
You should try rubber molding for those ammo bags, then make duplicates with 2 part liquid plastic.



I was thinking of doing something like that. Once I get this all done up and see how much detail can actually be seen, I'll make a couple more. I also made some quick molds of the ammo bags from the Bronco kit I just built, they're real nice but they look a wee bit tall.

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Posted: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 04:55 AM UTC
Managed a brief session today, spent most of the time seeing where I was. Added some drain holes to the cupola with the smallest bit I had (#80 if you're curious). I didn't actually drill through, trying to get the exit holes lined up would not have worked. So, drill in from the top with as shallow an angle as you can, mark the positions on the outside face, use the tip of a knife to centre the hole and drill in a little with a slightly upward angle. Hope that makes sense. I also got the turret bin glued on. Tacked on with the stub in the back and lined up by eye, then added the strips. I shaved down the bolts on the lifting ring base a bit. You can see in reference shots that the strip isn't flush, the lifting ring prevents that. Just need to add a few bolts and do some scraping where I used a bit too much glue. The strips are the kit parts, thinned down. I couldn't be bothered trying to mess around with bending pe.





That's it for today, hopefully another update tomorrow.

Kimmo
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Posted: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 09:36 AM UTC

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Managed a brief session today, spent most of the time seeing where I was. Added some drain holes to the cupola with the smallest bit I had (#80 if you're curious). I didn't actually drill through, trying to get the exit holes lined up would not have worked. So, drill in from the top with as shallow an angle as you can, mark the positions on the outside face, use the tip of a knife to centre the hole and drill in a little with a slightly upward angle. Hope that makes sense. I also got the turret bin glued on. Tacked on with the stub in the back and lined up by eye, then added the strips. I shaved down the bolts on the lifting ring base a bit. You can see in reference shots that the strip isn't flush, the lifting ring prevents that. Just need to add a few bolts and do some scraping where I used a bit too much glue. The strips are the kit parts, thinned down. I couldn't be bothered trying to mess around with bending pe .






That's it for today, hopefully another update tomorrow.

Kimmo



The lifting hook , should that not be on top of the straps for the stowage bin ? It looks like that in the pictures of the panzer E's that i ran across on the Internet . I shaved off the lifting hooks from the turret and like you did thinned down the straps and glued the hooks on straps .
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Posted: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 - 12:28 PM UTC

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The lifting hook , should that not be on top of the straps for the stowage bin ? It looks like that in the pictures of the panzer E's that i ran across on the Internet . I shaved off the lifting hooks from the turret and like you did thinned down the straps and glued the hooks on straps .



I don't think so. As I understand it, the hook is welded to the small plate that gets bolted to the turret, so the bolts are replaced somehow and go through the strap.

I dug around and found a shot that should be clear:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/deckarudo/11874514053/sizes/o/in/set-72157629373300717/



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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2014 - 04:12 AM UTC
My impression of the lifting hooks was that they were bolted on to the turret . I was thinking it would make sense to put the plate under the hooks because it would be flat and fit better . I did more search and just could not come up with any pictures clear enough to blow up and see the detail . I'll keep looking. There's got to be one out there . The plastic straps provided by dragon gives you the impression you lose the hook and shave off the details to fit . In a way it's mounting just does not seem to make sense .
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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2014 - 07:24 AM UTC

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My impression of the lifting hooks was that they were bolted on to the turret . I was thinking it would make sense to put the plate under the hooks because it would be flat and fit better . I did more search and just could not come up with any pictures clear enough to blow up and see the detail . I'll keep looking. There's got to be one out there . The plastic straps provided by dragon gives you the impression you lose the hook and shave off the details to fit . In a way it's mounting just does not seem to make sense .



It does make sense, just not intuitive sense. In this photo you can see the hook assembly. I imagine the way it was made was a plate with a slot cut out, the hook fits in the slot and then is welded to the plate which is bolted to the hull. Italeri actually produced their kit this way if memory serves.

http://www.worldwarphotos.info/wp-content/gallery/germany/tanks/panzer4/PzKpfw_IV_turret.jpg

If you look at the photo in the previous post, you can see a shadow under the strip, which means it is not flush against the turret. Therefore, the strip is attached to the hook/plate assembly. There is plenty of room for it to slide in there. From a logical point of view, there would either be a spacer, or the shaved down remains of the original bolts on which the strip sits (flush with the hook bump)and new bolts on top of that. I admit it would sound better to have the hook assembly completely on top, but I don't know at what point the bin is brought into the production chain. So if the bins come after the turret is complete, the strip would go on top of the assembly, rather than under it. You have to remember that these bins were field mods first and slowly brought into standard production and the mounting seems to have changed from the F model on.

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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2014 - 07:32 AM UTC
Speaking of which, got some more work on the turret. Did a bit of clean up and added bolts to the bin attachment and forgot to take a pic of course. I started on the attachment swivel strut for the gunner's sight and the vision blocks for the turret front. I squared and polished a piece of clear sprue and cut two appropriate sized blocks. A box was built up to simulate the mounting frame. Still need to add details to both.









More tomorrow.

Kimmo