... Can't wait to see what you are up to next. Maybe one of those tiny Italian Tankettes?
J

Here is another pic to muddy the water.


This is the dwelling that is right across the alley from my barn/garage and is probably the farmhouse for it. Notice the stones' color and also the cut stone surrounds for the window.

I have a pic of this house in 1944 and this hasn't changed. So they did use cut stone but I got the color wrong. Too late to fix it as the more paint I put on my plaster the worse it looks. It looses that translucent feel.

I did do a re-paint-AGAIN!!

So Jerry, I suppose you already know what I suggest your next steps for that super cool p-38E are.... Build a hangar around it!

Nice work BTW...

Nick

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Here is another pic to muddy the water.


This is the dwelling that is right across the alley from my barn/garage and is probably the farmhouse for it. Notice the stones' color and also the cut stone surrounds for the window.

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Jerry,you should have bought my book already
All the houses on my dio have exactly that look and color, multicolored slate. inclusively the window surrounds !

That would be the moment to say "didn't we say so?", but as I hate that myself I will not say it. :-)

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I have a pic of this house in 1944 and this hasn't changed. So they did use cut stone but I got the color wrong. Too late to fix it as the more paint I put on my plaster the worse it looks. It looses that translucent feel.

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I dont think that there is any need of translucidity for the plaster. Once you start to paint it with undiluted acryl colors it's gone anyway. IMO there is no harm to go back to a more beige/sand look. A good washing with oil colours will give it some life back.

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I did do a re-paint-AGAIN!!

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Except the blueish stone the rest looks ok, it's not a copy of the photo, but "good enough".
I know where the blue colour comes from, I often started having them also thinking that slate is a bit blueish.
I end having probably not one stone having a specific colour in my complete walls.
All are random mixes from my pallete. On that palette are red/brown colours , beige, khaki, the blue (if used the very very carefully), dark grays, very light grey (with that one I lighten all up if necessary) , even colors like german camouflage or gold brown. Play with it, have fun.
With every colour mix I do 2-3 stones and change again. The risk is ending with a color you like and overusing it.
This is the side facade of the bike shop I did. Looks a bit like your picture. Look also at the bottom part of the house on the right to it.


Redo those blueish stones (mix a bit red/brown with a hint of lightgrey) and do a oil washing of the whole wall! The stones will get some granularity back and if you use 2-3 different oil colours (more earth brown around the ground) and perhaps a grey below the wood from the timbered frame.

There is not a lot of space between your stone any more to put some mortar in it. You can try by rubbing straight pigments in the joints. Sand coloured pigments you carefully get off the top of the stone and the fix the rest with Isopropanol. Did I say already that all that is in my book ? :-)

By the way, this is the stone structure of the above facade from me before painting.

If you have the first book, check all the pctures from the stonework of the castle, all the same, albeit a bit darker

Greets

Claude

PS.: Regarding translucidy of plaster stonework, please checkout the work of this guy, Marcel, a swiss guy I already met three times personnaly on expos.
He is painting the plaster with water color only.
The thread is in german , but there are plenty of pictures in it for everyone to get a lot of inspiration.
http://www.modellboard.net/index.php?topic=46237.0

his homepage (I did not check if all the pics are the same here and there)
http://www.feldbahn-modellbau.ch/

Hi Jerry,

I just decided to look Cheneux up on the web and immediately found this!

is the photo on this site http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheneux_(Stoumont) showing "your" building?? At least it looks like it!!!

Wikipedia confirms also that lattice buildings are frequent in the area ( less than 30 kms from Germany ).

The big difference between the pictures of the actual buildings and your rendering is the total absence of "brown leather" in the real thing. Slate slabs may come in (even) very different colours, but not in "warm" orangeish brown.

Ardennes colours (especially in winter without sunshine) are creamy (or dirty) light grey to white (plasterwork and caulk of the joints) and darker blueish grey with occasional spots of dark brown (slate). Exactly what Claude is showing in his dio!

As I said, I personally love your palette, but unfortunately it's not Ardennes, it's Tuscany!

I wouldn't worry too much about transparency of the colour, as slate is everything but translucent.

Sorry to be a pain in the b...side m8, but...being from the region and at the same time being a painter, colours are a key element in my life!

Cheers

Romain

Dear Romain,



Pls., with all respect, but is this a modeling forum or a forum to duplicate in the most correct way historical buildings.
I mean, the next discussion will be that the soldiers, filling the dio did not have the right hair color and height.....

I know your abilities, I respect your comments, but now, two pages full are spend on such a minor case as the right color of the stones.
Let's face it: most people look upon our models without the slightest knowledge of what it is about. They just admire our hobby, like the subject and that's it.
I learned ages ago the hard way that, after spending weeks on brake lines, tubing, river counting etc., my dearest very warmly said: " oh, that became nice.". The fewest of the ones, we share our carefully build products, will see the difference between a WW2 T34 and OIF M1, not to speak about the type of right gun shield we used on some model. Also, I guess very few of us are surrounded by fanatics as on this forum all day. (Hopefully) So, I can imagine that, after they showed their product of hours intensive and joyfull building, hardly anyone started a discussion about the tone of the stones.
I therefore kindly suggest that we leave the building as it is and watch eagerly the coming adds to this fine and carefully build dio.

I hope you accept my thoughts. I do not want to be rude, but there are so many details in this forum, which could be discussed for pages, that it, so I think, would kill any joy to share your poduct if we woud do as in this blog.

But, as I know I am hard in punshing, I should be hard in taking as well!


So, looking forward to read your comments.

Take care,

P.

Dear Romain,



Pls., with all respect, but is this a modeling forum or a forum to duplicate in the most correct way historical buildings.
I mean, the next discussion will be that the soldiers, filling the dio did not have the right hair color and height.....

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Hi Paul,

no worries m8, I'm not picky. Luxemburgers and dutch people are fairly outspoken. I've switched to a more diplomatic language over international activities.
This is basically one of the reasons why this thing is dragging on!!
Perhaps I should have said: "no way, colours are totally wrong, no Ardennes feeling whatsoever"! o.s. in that tone!?
But apart from that you raise points of principle here!

What we discuss here will not make our world any better, and you are right in so far as 90% of the others don't even see any difference between "dios' best" and the worst beginner without the slightest talent, nor are they interested.

BUT...and here is my point...this forum is about modelling, associated skills and sharing them, and people who join us here should be interested and know. Otherwise I could not understand what they are doing here..when there is twitter or FB out there!!!!!

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I know your abilities, I respect your comments, but now, two pages full are spend on such a minor case as the right color of the stones.
Let's face it: most people look upon our models without the slightest knowledge of what it is about. They just admire our hobby, like the subject and that's it.

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Like I said: we do this for our "community" not for the "common" people. I'm not so sure about my abilities, but I'm sure I am from the Oesling!! What would you say if someone shows high hills/mountains and calls it Holland!??
....and asks for your expertise as a dutchman..!!!

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I learned ages ago the hard way that, after spending weeks on brake lines, tubing, river counting etc., my dearest very warmly said: " oh, that became nice.". The fewest of the ones, we share our carefully build products, will see the difference between a WW2 T34 and OIF M1, not to speak about the type of right gun shield we used on some model. Also, I guess very few of us are surrounded by fanatics as on this forum all day. (Hopefully) So, I can imagine that, after they showed their product of hours intensive and joyfull building, hardly anyone started a discussion about the tone of the stones.
I therefore kindly suggest that we leave the building as it is and watch eagerly the coming adds to this fine and carefully build dio.

I hope you accept my thoughts. I do not want to be rude, but there are so many details in this forum, which could be discussed for pages, that it, so I think, would kill any joy to share your poduct if we woud do as in this blog.

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I do accept your thoughts, your comments and your motivation, but Jerry asked for my comment, so he got it! As I said, I should maybe have been "clearer" from the start!
You are absolutely right BTW! It's about time this discussion ends! From my side it's done!

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But, as I know I am hard in punshing, I should be hard in taking as well!


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All the dutch guys I know are tough in everything they do!!

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So, looking forward to read your comments.

Take care,

P.

I will just add one little thing here (I hope I don't anger Paul to much by pililng on)
Consider that perhaps for the next time or a bigger project.

First I start those wall by painting it all in a fitting mortar hue. The complete wall is painted in a grey/beige mix. Basically I have now 1) the mortar painted and no white or whatever will shine through when I fill the joints with sand or pigments and 2) the plaster is all sealed

I also must say that indeed the Vallejo colours are a lot flatter in the look, so I am always mixing them with other colors on my palette who are from a range called Aleene's. It is a US product I can get here locally, so should you. The are cheaper also as the Vallejo's. They have a colour I use a lot and that is a Dusty Grey. There Beige is great and the light grey I use to lighten everything up.(near white)
The other medium is acrylics from the tube and I use a few from the Rembrandt range, Raw and Burnt Umber, Raw and Burnt Sienna for the reddish component,Transparent oxide red and Brown also, and a couple more

Vallejo only adds the more exotic touches Bluegrey and khaki, goldbrown.

Have fun

Claude