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Tamiya M4A3E8 Sherman - The new one
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - 06:07 PM UTC
Now I also have this in the World Of Tanks Cwmpain but I want to get more opinions and feedback than I would get there due to the limited number of participants.

I finally broke ground on my M4A3E8. It's not completely OOB more being OODB. As I will be using some pieces that came from a DML/Cyberhobby M46 and a Dragon M4A3. Plus I will not be using the decals as I've already decided to order a set of Archer decals to decorate it.





It was at this point that I lost my trusty three blade hobby knife.



And then I found it buried in the sprues. I guess it wanted to get started cutting right away.

Unusually, Tamiya started with assembling the tracks. I skipped that as I could care less for making lengths of track that are about 76 links long at 10 pm. The directions then went straight to assembling the sprokets and idlers. Next to the differential housing. Then to the lower hull which is a kit in and of itself. I got up to step 5 and part of another step when I decided to call it a night



To Be Continued....
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - 08:15 PM UTC
Michael

This is a reboxing of the Tasca/Asuka kit hence the different start point with the instructions. I'm building an M4A3E8 too at the moment (as a post war artillery observation vehicle) and it's a very nice kit indeed. You'll certainly enjoy this build as much as I'll enjoy watching

Gary
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Posted: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - 09:15 PM UTC
Good start, have fun! Be careful of your knife, I had one of those really sharp xacto knives fall off my desk & puncture my chest..i'm serious...that thing was heavy & sharp!
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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 12:07 AM UTC
What? "trusty three blade hobby knife" In many countries that's considered a concealed weapon!

I use the trusty X-Acto knife... but very rarely. My Xuron cutter does ALL my sprue work.

I'll be watching this with great interest as I need to add another Sherman to the mix here!




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Posted: Thursday, September 11, 2014 - 01:32 AM UTC
David: I always try to be as careful with knives as I can. Hence why I always keep them as sharp as I can. A sharp knife is a safe knife.

And thanks for the feedback guys.
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 02:36 AM UTC
Update on my Easy Eight.

As of last night; the upper hull and lower hull:





And today I put one on top of another:



And now that I am building the driver's and bow gunner's hatches enter those extras that I took from the M46- three periscope guards.

And I apologize about the quality of the photos.
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 06:40 AM UTC
Great start... I have the Tasca version and was wondering if Tamiya wimped out and didn't add the PE that come with the tasca kit .. Because we do get the PE guards in the Tasca kit..

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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 07:55 AM UTC
Tamiya does have the full PE in the kit. I'm just not using the periscope guards because I prefer plastic over brass. But I will using a few PE pieces.
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 08:37 AM UTC
Michael

Not sure why, but Tasca completely missed the forward tow cable bracket next to the driver's hatch. You may wish to remedy this depending on how accurate you want to be.

Gary
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 08:45 AM UTC

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Michael

Not sure why, but Tasca completely missed the forward tow cable bracket next to the driver's hatch. You may wish to remedy this depending on how accurate you want to be.

Gary



why cant tamiya make thier own kits instead of reboxing everyones else kits
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 08:56 AM UTC
Gary: might as well try depending on how easy it is to do.

Nick: think of it in this light: if Tamiya hadn't reboxed the Tasca Easy Eight and the Firefly, then who knows when we would've seen these two kits again. If a kit is popular enough but not being produced by the original company, then Tamiya or any other company has a right to rebox it. Without reboxing we might not see some great subjects or kits for a long time. It's not just Tamiya that reboxes; Dragon does it, Revell/RoG, Academy, etc. Asking why a company reboxes is like why Dragon used the lower hull of an Italeri M4A1 to make their molds... Because they can and because it was cheaper than making their own molds.
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 09:06 AM UTC

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why cant tamiya make thier own kits instead of reboxing everyones else kits



Nick: there are things to complain about but this comment is a head shaker. What do you propose? That Tamiya spend hundreds of thousand of dollars to retool and issue a kit perhaps as good as the Asuka/Tasca kit -- and then issue it at about $70 each -- versus reboxing the Asuka/Tasca kit for $49?

Is this your idea of good business? If you were on the Tamiya directors board, you'd propose this course of action???

The Tamiya reboxing of the Asuka/Tasca M4A3E8 and Firefly VC are FANTASTIC for the consumer (and I assume, for Tamiya and Asuka).
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 09:07 AM UTC
Not to hijack this thread, but I have a stupid question about reboxing. I appreciate the info from the prior post, but I'm curious about a few more things. First off, how does a company such as Tamiya end up 'reboxing'? Do they purchase the molds from the original company? Why would a company sell their molds? Presumably that means they have no intention to continue production in the future? In the case of Tasca/Asuka, it seems that there are only a few kits still available from them. Are they no longer in business?
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 09:30 AM UTC
Tamiya has reboxed other company's kits for decades. Later you see that OEM release the kit again and again. While some companies certainly can buy molds, there is no evidence that Tamiya has ever bought any. I assume they make a deal (We'll give you XXX for a two containers of bagged sprues).

Asuka is still in business and their website has been reactivated. Frankly, this is probably a good injection of capital for them. BTW: the Tasca M4A1 is going to be issued by Eduard as well.
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 01:54 PM UTC

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The Tamiya reboxing of the Asuka/Tasca M4A3E8 and Firefly VC are FANTASTIC for the consumer (and I assume, for Tamiya and Asuka).



Not just fantastic but DOUBLY fantastic. For the current MSRP of $70 (and thats the actual MSRP give or take $5 (and I bought mine for $50 (if you want to know how, pm me))), we get the entire Tasca kit, AND some GREAT Tamiya figures. And I mean GREAT. They look on the order of the DML figures. Except without Gen 2 stuff but hey... we get highly detailed pineapple grenades. And those things are teeny weeny.

So these kits are a better value than the original Tasca/Asuka kits.

Roy: Any idea about how much the Eduard kit will be? And it's about time Asuka got back in game. Time for some more Shermans! Maybe they'll do some other subjects... Maybe, hopefully, some America TD's... We've been needing a good, Tasca quality Hellcat for a bit I feel like. Or maybe some Stuarts or....
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 03:01 PM UTC

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why cant tamiya make thier own kits instead of reboxing everyones else kits



Nick: there are things to complain about but this comment is a head shaker. What do you propose? That Tamiya spend hundreds of thousand of dollars to retool and issue a kit perhaps as good as the Asuka/Tasca kit -- and then issue it at about $70 each -- versus reboxing the Asuka/Tasca kit for $49?

Is this your idea of good business? If you were on the Tamiya directors board, you'd propose this course of action???

The Tamiya reboxing of the Asuka/Tasca M4A3E8 and Firefly VC are FANTASTIC for the consumer (and I assume, for Tamiya and Asuka).



I suppose its smart for them to re box those low grade Italeri kits too?
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 03:37 PM UTC
If they're popular enough, yes because they'll sell. But these kits aren't "low grade Italeri stuff." These Shermans are the best on the market and the originals haven't been produced in a bit. They come up on eBay a few times but you'd have to shell out A LOT of dough to get it.
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Posted: Friday, September 12, 2014 - 04:22 PM UTC
Nick: Tamiya was the sole distributor of Italeri kits for the domestic Japanese market since the 80s. Italeri kits in Tamiya boxes with original Tamiya box art. If one looks hard enough, you can find a Tamiya SdKfz 234/2 kit -- one of many Italeri kits to be reboxed by Tamiya.

As this strategy has continued to this day, I suspect anyone's musing's of the "smartness" of their business strategies means nothing to Tamiya as evidence by this Sept 5th announcement:
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/37017/index.htm

Or this one from June
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/37016/index.htm

I stand by my first question: of things to criticize Tamiya for -- what about this decades-old relationship is so curious?
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 08:21 AM UTC
Whatever Tamiya's business strategies are, it's time to get back on topic.

I started the tracks earlier and let me say that these must be the easiest indy link OOB.



I also have almost completed the hull and the turret. I haven't added any of the wheels on yet because I will add them after painting along with the fishtail exhausts. I also need to buy a new barrel as the current one was destroyed after my glue decided to spit out a glob.
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 01:27 PM UTC

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Not to hijack this thread, but I have a stupid question about reboxing. I appreciate the info from the prior post, but I'm curious about a few more things. First off, how does a company such as Tamiya end up 'reboxing'? Do they purchase the molds from the original company? Why would a company sell their molds? Presumably that means they have no intention to continue production in the future? In the case of Tasca/Asuka, it seems that there are only a few kits still available from them. Are they no longer in business?



In some cases, the original company is defunct or reorganizing, and the molds have been sold outright (lots of Eastern European molds have made the rounds of multiple companies). When ICM went through a bankruptcy few years ago, several of their existing molds went to a company called Alanger, for instance. Many Eastern Express kits now appear in Ark boxes, and some were snagged by Zvezda.
The 1970's Peerless Max kit molds are now owned by Italeri (after a brief stop at Airfix), and are sometimes reboxed by Revell/Germany and Zvezda.
Renwal's molds from the 1950's now belong to Revell, and are reissued, mainly as nostalgia items.
In some cases, the original owner simply no longer wants the molds--Dragon's first generation of Soviet armor kits from 1989/90, which were very inaccurate, were sold off to Zvezda, and now sometimes reappear in Revell/Germany and Italeri boxes (Zvezda retains ownership, and probably ships the bagged parts to Germany and Italy for packaging).
Gunze Sangyo's facilities were damaged in the Kobe earthquake, and they leased or sold their tank kit molds to Dragon in Hong Kong, who replaced Gunze's multimedia parts with all-plastic components. They were sold as Shanghai Dragon or Dragon Imperial Series kits for a while, and Gunze retained distribution rights in Japan. Most of these rather good kits have since been displaced by better, newly-tooled, Dragon originals.
Whether the molds themselves travel probably depends on local import duties--if it's cheaper to mold in-country, they probably travel. Otherwise, the original company may just ship the parts. What's the advantage? Sometimes a company doesn't have a distribution system in that part of the world, and it's cheaper to partner with a local company.
In the case of Tasca, which is located in Japan, it's hard to say exactly what happened. The head of their Sherman kit program reportedly left the company, so it's unlikely it will be expanded. Perhaps somebody on their board decided that Tamiya's vast, worldwide distribution network would allow them to amortize the costs of the molds much more quickly--higher volume at a lower price point (which is fine by me).
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 02:17 PM UTC
Staying on topic

Nice work on the tracks - shame about the barrel. RB do a very nice 76mm replacement

Gary
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 02:18 PM UTC
HLJ has this kit at a great price...I bought it...can't wait to build it. Thanks for the build Michael.
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Posted: Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 02:25 PM UTC
Gary: thank you, although it isn't all by me truthfully. The tracks just fall into place. All I do is supply the glue. I know about RB's barrel and I will be getting that soon. For now the tank will look like my my version of a stubby sawed-off shotgun.

Jeff: Anytime. If a kit is supplied, I'll happily build it. Which is slightly unfortunate because then I have nothing to sell as I build almost EVERYTHING I have.


Also on a side note, I have a diorama idea for this. But I'm not sure how to exactly go about it. I basically thought of this a being in western Germany around the beginning of Spring '45. The base would be a small diamond shaped piece of... Stuff... About 18" square with the top corners cut off at about 4" in from each top corner at about a 45° angle. It would have a straight partial section of brick Street and cobblestone sidewalk on either side. The street would be about 5 inches wide with the sidewalks about 2 inche's wide. The street and sidewalk would start at the midpoint of one long side and continue to about a quarter of the opposite long side. I'll make a CAD drawing a bit later. On the open side of the street would be some ruined buildings with enough of one building still standing to hold a sniper on a second floor. The E8 and accompanying soldiers would be rolling along the road looking down an alley next to one of the buildings. I might be able to include a Stuart I recently finished as well. But I haven't thought this far into it so far. Just a plan in my head and, now, on the interweb.
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Posted: Sunday, September 14, 2014 - 01:43 AM UTC
I just finished the hull and turret with the exception of the road wheels and various pioneering tools. Next step is painting and then I'll put the wheels on, finish the tracks, paint them, attach them, paint the pioneering tool s and attach them.
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Posted: Sunday, September 14, 2014 - 03:11 PM UTC
Hey guys, I need your help. I'm going to build my kit as the tank "A Paper Doll" from the 68th Tank Battalion. But I can only find one picture of that specific vehicle. I'd like to find more but I'm one person and very busy with college and other modelling stuffs so I'd like your help in trying to find any more of this task.
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