In the cold morning of December 19, 1944
West-Vlaaderen, Belgium
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Posted: Friday, November 28, 2014 - 04:22 AM UTC
Hi everyone ,
a smallish update again !
The sergeant this time , i've applied the first coat of paint on him and the shovel , canteen and pistol holster (Colt .45)are from my Tamiya spare box.
The strap on his rifle is made of a strip of aluminum foil. The figure is from Alpine miniatures.
The pictures ,
Comments or any kind of feedback are welcome !
Kurt
Kurt
Pennsylvania, United States
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Posted: Friday, November 28, 2014 - 07:04 PM UTC
Nice figure to start with! I am still not convinced him still holding his rifle is a good idea. Pretty sure he would have left that on the ground before he exposed himself to the enemy with raised arms. Otherwise there is too much temptation for the Germans to "make sure" of him?
A minor tweek would be to remove some of his butt so the entrenching tool hangs straight down a bit more? Maybe the pistol as well?
Very dramatic scene going here.
J
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Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 02:46 AM UTC
Yikes. This is going to be an intense scene, I like where it's going too.
Hard to go wrong with anything from Alpine too, good choice.
I'm still creepin', but yanno, not in a weird way.
-Conor
I'm doin' stuff. Lotta stuff.
West-Vlaaderen, Belgium
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Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 03:24 AM UTC
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Nice figure to start with! I am still not convinced him still holding his rifle is a good idea. Pretty sure he would have left that on the ground before he exposed himself to the enemy with raised arms. Otherwise there is too much temptation for the Germans to "make sure" of him?
A minor tweek would be to remove some of his butt so the entrenching tool hangs straight down a bit more? Maybe the pistol as well?
Very dramatic scene going here.
J
Hi Jerry ,
i agree with you bro concerning the hanging position of his entrenching tool and pistol . So i did what you've suggested by cutting off a small piece of his behind...and the result is better but not really perfect .
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I am still not convinced him still holding his rifle is a good idea. Pretty sure he would have left that on the ground before he exposed himself to the enemy with raised arms. Otherwise there is too much temptation for the Germans to "make sure" of him?
Yes , this is a true argument . If someone surrenders he put his hands in the air .That reminds me of the past when i was a little boy playing and i learned my first English by saying '' HANDS UP''
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I do understand your point of view but what i want to show the spectator with the sergeant ,is the exact moment after he was shooting his rifle and suddenly decided to surrender , so he let the rifle loose with one hand and put it in the air because there are two Panzergrenadiere standing in front of him.( You will see that later on the diorama ) I hope this explanation makes sense ???
I have some pictures too of course , please have a look . The Sergeant in the stream standing on a rock . I still have to do his shoes though....
Thanks Jerry for looking in and your words of advice .
Kurt
Colorado, United States
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Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 04:19 AM UTC
I still can't get over how COLD it looks!!!
—mike
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Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 04:36 AM UTC
Hi Kurt,
As always, you're doing a great job setting the (very cold!!!) "mood" for this dio!
Really nice! And really cold! The idea of the soldier standing on the rock is interesting too -
Cheers
Nick
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Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 08:48 AM UTC
Hi Kurt,
Just a very quick mockup of an idea I had.
Suspended Rifle Possibilities —mike
West-Vlaaderen, Belgium
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Posted: Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 03:03 PM UTC
Hi Conor ,
i hear ya !
Sorry man , i've mist your post and then i had troubles to submit my reply.
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Yikes. This is going to be an intense scene, I like where it's going too.
Hard to go wrong with anything from Alpine too, good choice.
I'm still creepin', but yanno, not in a weird way.
Thanks for your reply , your right about the Alpine figures and i know that you prefer to watch sometimes in ''Stealth mode '' and besides that i'm not a poopy pants
Hi mike,.....i told you before to warm yourself up before you enter this Topic
. Thanks for giving me a proper solution to give the scene a bigger impact to the viewers. Excellent idea and it will be done !
Nick , thanks to drop in on this but i have to restyle
the figure that surrenders , so from this point it's wait and see... and i have to keep Master J happy !!!
Y'all Have a great Sunday !
Kurt
West-Vlaaderen, Belgium
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2014 - 01:52 AM UTC
Hi guys ,
i'm back with a smallish update !
mike brought me to the idea of a suspended rifle possibility , so i've shaped the figure in to a more convenient surrender representation .
I've lowerd his left arm and added an other hand on it , the rifle is also new and comes from my spare box.
I hope you like it ???
Thanks for watching !
Kurt
Pennsylvania, United States
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2014 - 01:54 AM UTC
West-Vlaaderen, Belgium
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2014 - 08:33 PM UTC
Thanks bro, to stick with me and if it works for you , it works for me too !
Up to the Sherman !
Kurt
Wien, Austria
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Posted: Thursday, December 04, 2014 - 08:38 PM UTC
Brilliant solution to the rifle problem!!
Congrats m8!!
Cheers
Romain
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Posted: Friday, December 05, 2014 - 09:47 AM UTC
I like it! ...
—mike
West-Vlaaderen, Belgium
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Posted: Friday, December 05, 2014 - 11:47 AM UTC
Thanks Romain for your visit and the positive words ! Much appreciated m8 !
@ mike , how how how..........easy buddy , easy ...
Don't start the fireworks already before i've finished the diorama
The hardest part is yet to come with the camo patterns and the build of the panther tank.
Thanks for your reply !
Kurt
West-Vlaaderen, Belgium
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Posted: Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 11:32 PM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, December 06, 2014 - 11:46 PM UTC
Oh man ... I like it!
I'll restrain myself this time!
—mike
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Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 01:47 AM UTC
A bit confused!
Now, it looks like a badly wounded soldier creaps out of his hideance, which has been covered by fresh snow, after he sat there for some time.
But I thought that you wanted to show a Sherman, which was just hit.
AT grenades develop an enormous heat in order to burn through the tank's hull. Snow, certainly in the direct surroundings of the impact, would melt. Also, the tracks? I guess that you should check if your intention now has been realised.
But maybe I am completely wrong..........
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Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 03:44 AM UTC
Hi mike , thanks for the reply i'm glad you like it !
Hi Paul , thank you for the visit first of all !
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Now, it looks like a badly wounded soldier creaps out of his hideance, which has been covered by fresh snow, after he sat there for some time.
But I thought that you wanted to show a Sherman, which was just hit.
Yes exactly right , sometimes i prefer to show things at an ''easier '' way . Maybe i'm a bit lazy ????
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AT grenades develop an enormous heat in order to burn through the tank's hull. Snow, certainly in the direct surroundings of the impact, would melt. Also, the tracks?
Well , it is not finished yet and i can always make some adjustments . The original plan was to make a hill with pine trees and a farmland lying in front of it .
Unfortunately i had the brilliant idea to make a stream as well making the space a whole lot shorter than originally intended .
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I guess that you should check if your intention now has been realised.
Hehehehehe.......i know what you mean !! My '' intention '' shall be realised when this whole project is finished !
Thanks for the comments !
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Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 07:59 PM UTC
Actually it is possible for the WWII era solid armor piercing shot to punch through armor without starting a fire. It would depend if any of the tanks' ammo was hit,thereby igniting the propellant charges resulting in fire or a hit in the gas tank.
A HEAT or sabot or shaped charge round on the other hand would create a lot of heat. But most rounds back then were plain solid shot. So this scenerio is actually possible here. The snow on top of the tank would come from the snow covered tree falling on top of the tank and dropping its' burden of snow on top.
Not a likely scenerio here but it is possible!! Hey,remember Telly Sevalis!! Teeheehee
J
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Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 09:06 PM UTC
Yeah, as much as it looks good.....there might well be a tad too much of "Telly Savalas" in this!! Just in case the guy is really still alive and not totally shell shocked, he would probably crawl out of the "emergency exit" at the bottom.
Moreover, I'm not sure about the track and the way it bulges out...I must go and look for photographic evidence...I'm not an expert I'm afraid!
One of the members who used to serve (or still does) in a tank unit may well know though!!
Cheers
Romain
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Hessen, Germany
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Posted: Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 10:26 PM UTC
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Yeah, as much as it looks good.....there might well be a tad too much of "Telly Savalas" in this!! Just in case the guy is really still alive and not totally shell shocked, he would probably crawl out of the "emergency exit" at the bottom.
Moreover, I'm not sure about the track and the way it bulges out...I must go and look for photographic evidence...I'm not an expert I'm afraid!
One of the members who used to serve (or still does) in a tank unit may well know though!!
Cheers
Romain
I love the ambience so far, but I agree with the others, expecially Romain, that details about the Sherman are off.
Not too sure about tracks, either.
Also, with the LHS track being blown off and all hits coming from the RHS front corner, you're implying that one of the hits went through and through the hull to destroy the track. If the track had been hit frontally, it wouldn't have found its way around the sprocket wheel to warp like it does.
Therefore, you'l need to consider an "exit wound" where the round hit the track...
West-Vlaaderen, Belgium
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2014 - 12:51 AM UTC
to be honest i was looking for a smiley whit a white flag....
Well , a lot of commotion here isn't it ??
Thanks for the advice , really appreciated ! If you want some evidence than you have to google : Destroyed Sherman tanks and you'll find some images of destroyed Sherman tanks with a bulge in their tracks !
Jerry is right , the tree was hit in the middle of the trunk and the upper part landed on top of the tank .
The emergency exit on the bottom is especially used when the tank lies upside down. When the engine is hit and there's a fire raging inside the tank you will not look for the hatch on the bottom ....you will take every opening you see to exit and escape from the burning inferno ! So for a driver that's the hatch upbove his head and when it's blocked , he mostly exits through the commander's hatch in the turret , if it's not to late though !
by the way , let's stop the nonsense and keep it amusing and polite to everyone okay ?
Kurt
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2014 - 07:59 PM UTC
It's OK KUrt,
I don't think any one wanted to be mean. Just expressing viewpoints and opinions.
I think everyone thinks your work is very good,they may disagree with the scenerio?
No haters here,
J
Hessen, Germany
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2014 - 09:37 PM UTC
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It's OK KUrt,
I don't think any one wanted to be mean. Just expressing viewpoints and opinions.
I think everyone thinks your work is very good,they may disagree with the scenerio?
No haters here,
J
Hey Kurt,
Jerry is right. I don't think anyone intended to be mean. At least I didn't, but I'm sorry if my choice of words seemed too harsh. Sometimes, when I'm really into a build (whether it's mine or someone else's), I can become obsessed with little details...
Anyway, keep up the good work!
West-Vlaaderen, Belgium
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Posted: Monday, December 08, 2014 - 09:51 PM UTC
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It's OK KUrt,
I don't think any one wanted to be mean. Just expressing viewpoints and opinions.
I think everyone thinks your work is very good,they may disagree with the scenerio?
No haters here,
J
Hi Jerry ,
i know that bro and sure everyone can give his opinion about the scenario even if they disagree with it ,i have no problem with that at all.
I was just a little bit worried about the good atmosphere in this topic because i had the feeling that it was turning a bit strange all the sudden......but no hard feelings !
I appreciated your reply very much !
Kurt
