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Poland 1939
Posted: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 - 08:02 AM UTC
I'd say successful, too, Jeff!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 - 08:07 AM UTC
Very nice. Looking good.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 - 10:37 AM UTC
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Ok!
Photos are in, the kits look fairly decent for being resin (and I've never built one), just a few bubbles and a respectable amount of flash to clean out. Those tracks look intimidating though!
And let me say, unless you're one of the horde building a TK tankette, you won't truly appreciate how tiny these things are.
First up, the Kits with a TKS to show the scale. The boxes are small and professional.
The RPM TKS, a simple little kit, but still quite enjoyable. I do hope that someone does produce new molds for the subject though. Perhaps you could transfer the RPM armored top to one of the other Carden-Lloyd style chassis thats out there? This is my first time using Tamiya surface primer and I'll say that I do like using this product. I have a little more gap filling and filing though it seems.
Showing the C2P artillery tractor in all of its glory with its one page instructions.
Another shot of the C2P.
And the gun, which came with a vacu-formed gun shield and a resin one as well. Detail isn't terribly great on the shield, but hey, at least its out there right?
Fox, I have to say you are a glutton for punishment TKS is looking good.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 - 10:38 AM UTC
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I'd say successful, too, Jeff!
Thanks, Clayton
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Posted: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 - 10:38 AM UTC
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Very nice. Looking good.
Thank you.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 08, 2017 - 10:40 AM UTC
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A definite exercise of patience. Looking good, Jeff.
Thanks. Had to remove a few and redo. Somewhere I bumped some before they were fully set
Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 08:42 AM UTC
Hey guys,
While I'm working up the courage for adding the railing to the gunnery ship I thought I would start my R35 in Polish service. The R35s were used by the 12th Batalion Pancerny in southern Poland. I already posted my beginning photos so here are my first build status photos. Sorry for the poor photo quality. I took them with my phone because my camera batteries died. The kit is the Czolg Lekki Renault R35 wczesny in 1/72 scale. And I thought my gunnery ship was small. This tank measures out at just over 2 inches long.
The build went very quickly so I basically got the kit complete in one sitting. The detail is good for this scale but there were some fit issues, especially with the hatches. The plastic is a little soft which made cleaning up the parts simpler. However there are a lot of small parts that had enough flash to be noticeable. Several of the smallest parts broke while removing them from the sprue. So of course the carpet monster was well fed during the build. I had to cobble together a new trailer hitch and head light from sprue. They're not the best but at this scale I hope they will do.
The biggest disappointment with this kit is the tracks. They are single piece molded with the road wheel and return rollers. At this scale its not a problem to me but there is no tread markings on the outside of the tracks. They are absolutely smooth. I'm going to try to cover that with weathering and mud.
One nice thing about the kit is that it includes decals and paint instructions for several vehicles including those in French, Yugoslav, Rumanian, and Polish service. The kit doesn't include any crew figures but I have some 1/72 seated figures. I want to convert one into a tank commander and place him in the open turret hatch.
As always, comments welcome.
Thanks
John
While I'm working up the courage for adding the railing to the gunnery ship I thought I would start my R35 in Polish service. The R35s were used by the 12th Batalion Pancerny in southern Poland. I already posted my beginning photos so here are my first build status photos. Sorry for the poor photo quality. I took them with my phone because my camera batteries died. The kit is the Czolg Lekki Renault R35 wczesny in 1/72 scale. And I thought my gunnery ship was small. This tank measures out at just over 2 inches long.
The build went very quickly so I basically got the kit complete in one sitting. The detail is good for this scale but there were some fit issues, especially with the hatches. The plastic is a little soft which made cleaning up the parts simpler. However there are a lot of small parts that had enough flash to be noticeable. Several of the smallest parts broke while removing them from the sprue. So of course the carpet monster was well fed during the build. I had to cobble together a new trailer hitch and head light from sprue. They're not the best but at this scale I hope they will do.
The biggest disappointment with this kit is the tracks. They are single piece molded with the road wheel and return rollers. At this scale its not a problem to me but there is no tread markings on the outside of the tracks. They are absolutely smooth. I'm going to try to cover that with weathering and mud.
One nice thing about the kit is that it includes decals and paint instructions for several vehicles including those in French, Yugoslav, Rumanian, and Polish service. The kit doesn't include any crew figures but I have some 1/72 seated figures. I want to convert one into a tank commander and place him in the open turret hatch.
As always, comments welcome.
Thanks
John
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 08:03 PM UTC
Hi John,
Have to say I was wondering, too, what was up with the tracks while scrolling thru your pics before reading your dialogue.
How odd that a kit maker would produce an otherwise decently detailed model in this scale and then overlook such an obvious component of the tank!
Your idea of camouflaging the blunder with mud and weathering seems the logical choice and should do the trick.
I have to give you credit with a 1/72! I don't know if I would be able or willing to tackle that small of a project.
Look forward to seeing the decaling and camou scheme.
Have to say I was wondering, too, what was up with the tracks while scrolling thru your pics before reading your dialogue.
How odd that a kit maker would produce an otherwise decently detailed model in this scale and then overlook such an obvious component of the tank!
Your idea of camouflaging the blunder with mud and weathering seems the logical choice and should do the trick.
I have to give you credit with a 1/72! I don't know if I would be able or willing to tackle that small of a project.
Look forward to seeing the decaling and camou scheme.
Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 09:17 PM UTC
Finally getting work done on my ADGZ. It's going together pretty quick, but the lack of positive connection points for the wheel assemblies (especially the 4 wheel trucks) meant some fiddling to get all 8 wheels aligned. Even after a good amount of time adjusting them, all 8 are even on the ground but still slightly out of kilter...oh well
How was this thing steered?
The vinyl tires are very nice, but better suited for Auto models; for an armored car you'll have to repaint the tires anyway so I went ahead and installed them now so they will be primed with everything else. More to come soon!
How was this thing steered?
The vinyl tires are very nice, but better suited for Auto models; for an armored car you'll have to repaint the tires anyway so I went ahead and installed them now so they will be primed with everything else. More to come soon!
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Posted: Thursday, February 09, 2017 - 10:02 PM UTC
Ughh! Wheel alignment...feel your pain, Clay!
I've always been scared of those vinyl kit tires since building the ol' Tamiya LRDG Chevy truck back around '79-'80.
Over the years the tires began to crack and slowly deteriorate. Never knew if it was just a bad formulation associated to that kit alone or if it is common with all vinyl tires. Has anyone else had an issue with vinyl tires?
I agree, that must have been a bear of a machine to steer and maneuver.
I've always been scared of those vinyl kit tires since building the ol' Tamiya LRDG Chevy truck back around '79-'80.
Over the years the tires began to crack and slowly deteriorate. Never knew if it was just a bad formulation associated to that kit alone or if it is common with all vinyl tires. Has anyone else had an issue with vinyl tires?
I agree, that must have been a bear of a machine to steer and maneuver.
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Posted: Friday, February 10, 2017 - 12:43 AM UTC
I don't think I know one person that built the Tamiya Chevy and did not have the tyres crack/split over the years.
It was a softer material than most other manufacturers of the time, mainly to hold the tread patten I suppose. The old Monogram car kits I built back then had a much harder material from memory...
It was a softer material than most other manufacturers of the time, mainly to hold the tread patten I suppose. The old Monogram car kits I built back then had a much harder material from memory...
Posted: Friday, February 10, 2017 - 11:52 AM UTC
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Hi John,
Have to say I was wondering, too, what was up with the tracks while scrolling thru your pics before reading your dialogue.
How odd that a kit maker would produce an otherwise decently detailed model in this scale and then overlook such an obvious component of the tank!
Your idea of camouflaging the blunder with mud and weathering seems the logical choice and should do the trick.
I have to give you credit with a 1/72! I don't know if I would be able or willing to tackle that small of a project.
Look forward to seeing the decaling and camou scheme.
Thanks Richard. The camo scheme is actually shown on the box art. It's a hard line scheme of olive green, tan and medium brown. With black outline of the color changes.
I hit her with a coat of primer today to see if any additional filling and sanding are needed.
I think I will go for an olive base coat with the tan and brown patterns by brush, freehand. Then I'm going to try a micro-tip sharpie marker for the black outline. Then the mud and dust to cover the glitches. They were in service for such a short time I don't plan on any chipping. The decals are pretty basic with just vehicle numbers and either a white circle or square on the hull sides. I'm guessing the symbols are platoon or company markings. These markings are accurate based on five period photos of R35s in Polish service I've been able to find on the internet.
BTW, in looking at the paint/decal options again I forgot to mention R35s in Hungarian and Syrian service are also included.
I hope to post more progress soon.
John
Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 03:02 AM UTC
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Quoted TextJeff - I like your rivets, a big improvement over the kit blank plates. Which Archer decal set did you use?
Paul,
Set #AR88001, Resin Rivets, Various scales
Thanks Jeff, I just ordered this set in case the 7TP project needs them.
Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 03:07 AM UTC
John - Your R35 is looking good despite the odd lack of tread detail. Mud will fix that!
I have the Hobby Boss R35 in the stack awaiting the France 1940 campaign that we are sure to have at some point.
I have the Hobby Boss R35 in the stack awaiting the France 1940 campaign that we are sure to have at some point.
Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 03:11 AM UTC
Clayton - Good progress on your ADGZ. I wonder why model makers leave wheel alignment so sloppy? Surely they could have easily made the assemblies click into place just as easily?
I'm glad you are tackling something just a bit different here.
I'm glad you are tackling something just a bit different here.
Posted: Saturday, February 11, 2017 - 03:17 AM UTC
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I think I will go for an olive base coat with the tan and brown patterns by brush, freehand. Then I'm going to try a micro-tip sharpie marker for the black outline. Then the mud and dust to cover the glitches.
This sounds like a good plan. I'm very curious how the micro-tip Sharpie works out. Do you think it might fade in future years? I know a lot of us will want to follow along with you on this as so many WW1/20s/30s schemes used these black lines of separation. Good luck!
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 12:26 AM UTC
Greetings fellow Campaigners, been a while since I've participated in a campaign. I may be a bit rusty as I've not built anything for about a year and a half due to some medical/health issues but I'm here to try!
If anyone recalls me, I'm primarily a small scale (Braille) enthusiast. For my entry I'd like to choose the Mirage Vickers E MK A (6 Ton). The required start photos(dates should appear in the images somewhere):
Cheers,
Jan
If anyone recalls me, I'm primarily a small scale (Braille) enthusiast. For my entry I'd like to choose the Mirage Vickers E MK A (6 Ton). The required start photos(dates should appear in the images somewhere):
Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 02:12 AM UTC
"...Houston, we might have a problem"? I failed in my due diligence to read the following in the Rules and Regs. "but must have the markings used in the Polish campaign of 1939 rather than those that might have been used earlier or later." My instructions aren't totally clear but the camo on my kit version is the one with the black outlines separating the colours. There is an implication that this was a camo applied in 1935 and hence, the problem. From what I surmise, I can apply 1939 decals but felt this is a decision that must be brought to the Campaign Leader's attention. If this causes a problem I will withdraw my enlistment.
Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 02:45 AM UTC
Hi Jan,
Glad to have you back. I have my ups and downs with health issues too.
Good luck with your Vickers 6 Tonner. Regarding the camo with the black outlines I know the R35s the Poles obtained from the French were still in their French colors during the Polish invasion, which included the black outlines. I've also found that the Poles were going from a hard edged camo to a soft edge camo in the '35-'39 time frame for some of their armor but I don't know if that includes the Vickers. If you have any photos of the vehicle you want to portray that would probably settle the question. It will be up to our fearless leader.
If I understand correctly, Mirage now has the molds for the R35 I'm building. Just for curiosity, does your Mirage kit have treads on the exterior of the tracks? The gunnery ship I'm also working on is a Mirage kit. I've had excellent customer service from them in the past so I tend to be more forgiving if their kit details are a little thick. They also do a lot of vehicles not addressed by other companies.
Anyways, glad your back and good luck.
John
Glad to have you back. I have my ups and downs with health issues too.
Good luck with your Vickers 6 Tonner. Regarding the camo with the black outlines I know the R35s the Poles obtained from the French were still in their French colors during the Polish invasion, which included the black outlines. I've also found that the Poles were going from a hard edged camo to a soft edge camo in the '35-'39 time frame for some of their armor but I don't know if that includes the Vickers. If you have any photos of the vehicle you want to portray that would probably settle the question. It will be up to our fearless leader.
If I understand correctly, Mirage now has the molds for the R35 I'm building. Just for curiosity, does your Mirage kit have treads on the exterior of the tracks? The gunnery ship I'm also working on is a Mirage kit. I've had excellent customer service from them in the past so I tend to be more forgiving if their kit details are a little thick. They also do a lot of vehicles not addressed by other companies.
Anyways, glad your back and good luck.
John
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 05:03 AM UTC
Thanks for the "Welcome back", John (YellowHammer). I believe the 6 tons' were painted by Poland as they originated in England but there is implication in the instructions that the camo was changed to soft edge prior to '39 and so might have been other aspects of the tank itself. I am no expert on this topic so to be fair I defer to those that may know the topic better.
Cheers,
Jan
Cheers,
Jan
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Posted: Sunday, February 12, 2017 - 09:04 PM UTC
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If I understand correctly, Mirage now has the molds for the R35 I'm building. Just for curiosity, does your Mirage kit have treads on the exterior of the tracks? .... They also do a lot of vehicles not addressed by other companies.
John
Sorry I forgot to answer your question yesterday but yes, there is interior and exterior detail on the Mirage "rubber band" type tracks. I haven't worked with them yet so not too much I can offer other than the instructions say to use CA glue to attach the ends. Depending on how things turn out I'll see about getting some pictures of the tracks.
Cheers,
Jan
Posted: Monday, February 13, 2017 - 10:00 PM UTC
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"...Houston, we might have a problem"? I failed in my due diligence to read the following in the Rules and Regs. "but must have the markings used in the Polish campaign of 1939 rather than those that might have been used earlier or later." My instructions aren't totally clear but the camo on my kit version is the one with the black outlines separating the colours. There is an implication that this was a camo applied in 1935 and hence, the problem. From what I surmise, I can apply 1939 decals but felt this is a decision that must be brought to the Campaign Leader's attention. If this causes a problem I will withdraw my enlistment.
Jan - Thanks for thinking this through and for respecting the intent of this Poland 1939 campaign. The answer has to be MAYBE. Poland was throwing everything they had into defense and the victors had little regard for historical preservation of that defense after the battles. That means that we have an incomplete record of what paint, markings & equipment were used. Where photos & records exist we can use them to guide us, in other areas a certain amount of educated guesswork (SWAG) has to be used.
If you feel mid-thirties paint and markings were likely to have been used based on your reading of the situation, fair enough. Build away and include the caveat that the finish is based on a best guess.
I do not want to be so restrictive with authenticity that we exclude perfectly reasonable models just because we lack hard evidence about paint & makings. So - Its your choice. Please feel free to build your model as you think it might have seen service.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 - 12:04 AM UTC
Paul (Hudson29),
Thank you for the answer even if it is somewhat a "shade of grey". I have relied on our friend Google and tried to research the topic at nauseom. It appears there is no definitive answer and most articles on the subject are as "clear" as the instructions. Some tanks, presumably those with twin Hotchkiss turrets fought in the 1930's camo while others armed with Browning water cooled were in the newer feathered edge camo. Clear as mud? If it's okay and as mine is a Hotchkiss turreted machine, I'll go for the older camouflage. My final decision was based on the following http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/polish/ww2_Polish_Tanks.php (pictures about half way down the page).
Thanks,
Jan
Thank you for the answer even if it is somewhat a "shade of grey". I have relied on our friend Google and tried to research the topic at nauseom. It appears there is no definitive answer and most articles on the subject are as "clear" as the instructions. Some tanks, presumably those with twin Hotchkiss turrets fought in the 1930's camo while others armed with Browning water cooled were in the newer feathered edge camo. Clear as mud? If it's okay and as mine is a Hotchkiss turreted machine, I'll go for the older camouflage. My final decision was based on the following http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/polish/ww2_Polish_Tanks.php (pictures about half way down the page).
Thanks,
Jan
Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 - 01:30 AM UTC
I'd say TE is a pretty good reference...
Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 - 02:26 AM UTC
Build on! I agree with Clayton here, you have done your due diligence and more than that we can't ask.