Malaysia
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Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2016 - 08:16 AM UTC
Thanks John, that's exactly what I needed. Very much appreciated.
I agree with you Paul, campaigns are a fun way to learn more about particular vehicles and the period and places they saw service in.
Certainly more fun than trying to stay awake in history class.
My modelling mantra is just to make something look nice and pretty and not harp too much on accuracy. Better for the sanity.
Of course, there's always that nagging part in my brain telling me not to stick random insignias and numbers willy nilly.
England - South West, United Kingdom
Joined: January 20, 2005
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Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2016 - 01:17 PM UTC
Hi All
Are we allowing planes in this campaign? I have a few options for aircraft and AFV so just wanted to check before I make a decision.
Thanks
#454
Georgia, United States
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Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2016 - 07:13 PM UTC
Those photos are the exact source for the decals in the Hobby Boss model,as per the HB website...(
http://www.hobbyboss.com/Uploads/201506/55876091bf9f2.jpg )...same numbers and license plate. I bet the puppy that there were some of those 254's used in the invasion, Germany had no reason to hold anything back at that time...;-)
"I can make armored cars, safe and unassailable...and behind these our infantry will be able to follow quite unharmed and without any opposition."
-Leonardo da Vinci, 1487
#454
Georgia, United States
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Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2016 - 07:26 PM UTC
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Hi All
Are we allowing planes in this campaign? I have a few options for aircraft and AFV so just wanted to check before I make a decision.
Thanks
Jason- I believe there are already a few aircraft in the campaign! (I figure for a Poland 1939 Campaign you'd have to have a least 1 Stuka!)LOL...
"I can make armored cars, safe and unassailable...and behind these our infantry will be able to follow quite unharmed and without any opposition."
-Leonardo da Vinci, 1487
#460
California, United States
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Posted: Thursday, October 20, 2016 - 09:03 PM UTC
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Hi All
Are we allowing planes in this campaign? I have a few options for aircraft and AFV so just wanted to check before I make a decision.
Thanks
You bet! Also welcomed are ships, figures & rail. Maybe somebody will try a cavalry soldier on a horse . . .
Vintage Paul
I'd happily live in the past but for air conditioning, the internet, mobile phones, modern medicine & dentistry and, and, and . . .
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Joined: January 24, 2013
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 02:20 AM UTC
Hi,
About the Saurer, does anybody reads german? This is the caption bellow the picture.
Cheers
Raul
#454
Georgia, United States
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 02:50 AM UTC
Basically it reads "In March 1941 We are back in Germany, we have no map, we are 'here' but we have a new Armored Observation car with FM Radio and gear" I'm sure we might have a German friend who could do a better job here...;-) "Hi Mom!"
"I can make armored cars, safe and unassailable...and behind these our infantry will be able to follow quite unharmed and without any opposition."
-Leonardo da Vinci, 1487
#460
California, United States
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 02:59 AM UTC
The SdKfz 254 kit is just too cool to pass up, i'll have to add one of those to the collection at some point. The links to the pictures add some life to this very unlikely vehicle, thanks for posting them.
The Soviets had the BT series which had removable tracks and steerable front wheels for use on good roads. They too were used in Poland. Possibly someone might care to do one of those with the tracks stowed on top of the fenders?
Vintage Paul
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tatbaqui
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Metro Manila, Philippines
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 04:55 AM UTC
Yes, I'd second that on the Sd Kfz 254. Have one in the stash as well!
Looking forward to how the kit builds, Bryan.
#453
Texas, United States
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 04:57 AM UTC
Giżycko, Poland is within the areas over run by the Germans and after the demarcation line was set after the Russians invaded. My concern are the markings on the 254 and there is also a posting on the same site stating that the 254 was not deployed to German units until after the fall of France. These pictures could have been taken during the preparation of the invasion of Russia in 1941.
But it is a cool vehicle, so if everyone is cool with it, I am also.
#454
Georgia, United States
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 05:18 AM UTC
Very Cool, I want to see it! ;-)
"I can make armored cars, safe and unassailable...and behind these our infantry will be able to follow quite unharmed and without any opposition."
-Leonardo da Vinci, 1487
#513
Alabama, United States
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 05:27 AM UTC
From what information I've been able to gather so far the Germans only had 12 254s obtained from Austria during the Anchluss prior to the invasion of Poland. The production run vehicles came latter. I'm guessing they could have been used as trial vehicles with one or two formations or as "acquired" vehicles, for lack of a better term, like the Czech Pz35t and 38ts. I don't see the Germans just leaving them in depot during the invasion.
#460
California, United States
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 05:39 AM UTC
Mark has given us good reason to be wary of claims so let's leave it in this Poland 1939 campaign but just consider it as a possible participant. So let's build away with that note made.
This "thing" did not turn out to be a big production item and has become an obscurity. Any idea why? Did it fail to meet its promise it some way? Perhaps it was very expensive to build or operate? Possibly the machine was built by someone who was on the outs politically?
I'm looking forward to seeing one of these very unusual vehicles built.
Vintage Paul
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tatbaqui
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Metro Manila, Philippines
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 06:17 AM UTC
Maybe this can provide more info:
https://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/8596Nevertheless, please do build one.
Malaysia
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Posted: Friday, October 21, 2016 - 10:45 AM UTC
Heh...no pressure.
All this support has made me really eager to get cracking. Oh and I've probably mentioned somewhere earlier that I also wanted to do the Ba-10 Soviet armoured car. I think I'll also try for a 2 for 1 here.
#460
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Posted: Sunday, October 23, 2016 - 11:16 PM UTC
Tat - Thanks for that link, I went ahead and ordered a copy of that book. It is such a fascinating vehicle that I couldn't resist.
Bryan - Great choices with both kits. That Soviet armored car had a Model A Ford engine, only 40 hp to move all of that iron. It must have been geared way down low!
Vintage Paul
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Queensland, Australia
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Posted: Monday, October 24, 2016 - 02:23 AM UTC
owesome vehicle ,i never know the Swiss Truck manufacturer build that thing
tatbaqui
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Metro Manila, Philippines
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Posted: Monday, October 24, 2016 - 09:39 AM UTC
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Tat - Thanks for that link, I went ahead and ordered a copy of that book. It is such a fascinating vehicle that I couldn't resist.
Good to hear Paul. Do check that you ordered the latest edition as it has more stuff in it.
#460
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Posted: Monday, October 24, 2016 - 08:53 PM UTC
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Tat - Thanks for that link, I went ahead and ordered a copy of that book. It is such a fascinating vehicle that I couldn't resist.
Good to hear Paul. Do check that you ordered the latest edition as it has more stuff in it.
Yes, I did get the expanded second edition. The first edition was cheaper but the additional material seemed to make the extra money a good investment. This really is a glorious time for modelers with so many great kits, finishing materials, tools & reference materials available.
Vintage Paul
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England - South East, United Kingdom
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Posted: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 - 11:17 PM UTC
I'm in with a Mirage 7TP.
#460
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Posted: Wednesday, October 26, 2016 - 04:37 AM UTC
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I'm in with a Mirage 7TP.
Great choice! At least two of us have taken on this challenge. There are two versions of the 7TP that I know of, one is single turret, the second has two. Which did you have in mind?
Vintage Paul
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England - South East, United Kingdom
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Posted: Thursday, October 27, 2016 - 11:32 PM UTC
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I'm in with a Mirage 7TP.
Great choice! At least two of us have taken on this challenge. There are two versions of the 7TP that I know of, one is single turret, the second has two. Which did you have in mind?
Single turret, just got it off Amazon. Rather more expensive than ordering direct from Poland, but I figure once the postage and import tax was added I'd rather go for the easy option. Now I just have to learn Polish.
#460
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Posted: Friday, October 28, 2016 - 12:04 AM UTC
There is reference material available as mentioned earlier in this thread. The kit is basic but upgrade parts might help. I'm looking forward to seeing how you make out!
Vintage Paul
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#460
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Posted: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 - 06:26 AM UTC
I was just looking over the Hobby Boss T-37 kit. It is very impressive. The instructions mention that many were used in the Polish campaign. Sounds like it is right up our alley . . .
Vintage Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 - 07:51 AM UTC
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I'm in with a Mirage 7TP.
Great choice! At least two of us have taken on this challenge. There are two versions of the 7TP that I know of, one is single turret, the second has two. Which did you have in mind?
Single turret, just got it off Amazon. Rather more expensive than ordering direct from Poland, but I figure once the postage and import tax was added I'd rather go for the easy option. Now I just have to learn Polish.
There are several incarnations of this kit and Mirage at one point did some updates to the original molds, so what is in the box could vary. At least one boxing had link to link track, another had the molded on tools removed and separate tool parts added.
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