Cheers
Yep , looks the same, as does the Tankie hangar and parade ground.
They told me they have a few things to do in the turret and it will completely operational. They have put a lot of work in and it looks excellent inside and out.
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thomokiwi
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 12:06 AM UTC
Sudzonic
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 07:35 AM UTC
Just been on PMMS, I forgot the bushmaster was coming out soon kinda tempted by that one?
vonHengest
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 01:33 PM UTC
Thanks for the votes on the ribbons guys, sounds like red blue white is the favorite so far, with black green gold red coming in not too far behind?
Those are sweet pics Thomo and David. I really enjoy the M548, and would love to build that Valentine from the PTO(?). I'm wondering if I should rethink building the Centurion 5/1?
Those are sweet pics Thomo and David. I really enjoy the M548, and would love to build that Valentine from the PTO(?). I'm wondering if I should rethink building the Centurion 5/1?
thomokiwi
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 04:40 PM UTC
The PTO Valentine looks good in its colours and makes a change from good old Olive drab. Would be a good build.
vonHengest
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 04:54 PM UTC
I would be happy to build this if you guys would like to see it. However I am no expert on Valentine's or Kiwi armor so I would need some help and guidance from you guys regarding the mk. and any special details unique to it, not to mention appropriate colors. I can makes stencils easy enough, so I'm not too worried about markings.
thomokiwi
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Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 07:06 PM UTC
Quoted Text
I would be happy to build this if you guys would like to see it. However I am no expert on Valentine's or Kiwi armor so I would need some help and guidance from you guys regarding the mk. and any special details unique to it, not to mention appropriate colors. I can makes stencils easy enough, so I'm not too worried about markings.
Happy to give any help though limited in my subject knowledge. I am sure when I am wrong I will be corrected.
The PTO Valentines were Mk III - base coat from my reference is possibly Khaki/mid green, patches of dark green and topped over both colours Lime green dappled over to simulate bright patches of sun hitting the tank. The pictures of the restored example appear not to be too far off. The better match would be the pic's DJW has uploaded.
hope that helps, any questions I will try to answer or find an answer.
Posted: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 08:40 PM UTC
Very nice pictures for inspiration in this tread. That Valentine looks goode. Nice camouflage and markings.
Looking forward to start researching in more detail later.
Looking forward to start researching in more detail later.
vonHengest
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Posted: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 08:44 AM UTC
Thomo: Thanks, and I think the Miniart Mk.III is due to hit the shelves here in the states sometime soon which is perfect. Wouldn't it be funny if it actually came with markings for one of these Kiwi PTO Valentines?
Jesper: Are you thinking about building the PTO Valentine too?
Jesper: Are you thinking about building the PTO Valentine too?
jasmils
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Posted: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 04:24 PM UTC
Ok, I have been thinking about the ribbon, and the census seems to be keep the colours for the flag of both countries. Cool. But I just can not get around the idea of a roundel. Roundel being RAAF or RNZAF. So in keeping with the idea of the colours, the roo, kiwi and that this is basically a Armour Campaign and not air forces, see below. The Southern cross is also relevant to both Aust and NZ.
Again thanks to Jeremy for the original idea.
Cheers Jason
Again thanks to Jeremy for the original idea.
Cheers Jason
Sudzonic
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Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 01:08 AM UTC
That's closer to what i was thinking Jason, looks pretty good.
vonHengest
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Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 11:10 AM UTC
Alright got it, no roundel just straight bars. The black kiwi is too distracting because the color doesn't tie in, and if stars are used they will need to be from both the Australian flag and New Zealand flag. I played around a little more with the design and came up with some more layouts:
Original:
Ribbon with full compliment of stars from both flags:
Ribbon with one star representing each flag:
*edit: One more idea representing a single star from each flag:
Original:
Ribbon with full compliment of stars from both flags:
Ribbon with one star representing each flag:
*edit: One more idea representing a single star from each flag:
thomokiwi
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Posted: Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 01:01 PM UTC
I am all for the the one below the orginal. All good work though.
Excellent
Excellent
ltb073
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Posted: Friday, August 27, 2010 - 10:20 AM UTC
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I am all for the the one below the original. All good work though.
Excellent
Yes I would have to agree with the above statement
Jeremy, With all the time you spend making these outstanding ribbons and banners when do you get time to build
Prost to you
ppawlak1
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Posted: Friday, August 27, 2010 - 01:28 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextI am all for the the one below the original. All good work though.
Excellent
Yes I would have to agree with the above statement
Jeremy, With all the time you spend making these outstanding ribbons and banners when do you get time to build
Prost to you
Yes "Thumbs Up"
smokeys_keepers
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Posted: Friday, August 27, 2010 - 02:17 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextQuoted TextI am all for the the one below the original. All good work though.
Excellent
Yes I would have to agree with the above statement
Jeremy, With all the time you spend making these outstanding ribbons and banners when do you get time to build
Prost to you
Yes "Thumbs Up"
I agree, I'd give it two thumbs up one for the design under the original, and the other for all Jeremy's great work!
We need to lobby to get a proper thumbs up icon added. Surely the tech gurus at kitmaker network could rustle a thumbs up icon for us all?
vonHengest
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Posted: Friday, August 27, 2010 - 06:22 PM UTC
Thanks for all the kind feedback guys, and I'm glad you like
Sal: I wonder the same thing myself sometimes
Sal: I wonder the same thing myself sometimes
Kiwi_Modeller
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Posted: Monday, August 30, 2010 - 09:56 PM UTC
Gday guys, sounds like i better be in this , which firefly's did we use ? did we have any halftracks? least i got plenty of time to find somit to build LOLl
Graham
Graham
Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 12:05 AM UTC
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Jesper: Are you thinking about building the PTO Valentine too?
No, I am tempted, but I think I will go for one of the Australian M1A1AS Abrams. M1A1SA are hybrids, mix equipment used by US Army tanks and USMC tanks, without DU layers in armor.
As far as I can tell on the exterior the Australian M1A1 Abrams is the same as the US M1A1 Abrams except for no smoke launchers(!) and an extra power generator at the rear turret. I assume the smoke launchers will be refitted later, but do not know if they are USMC or US Army style.
I might use some artistic license to give it the "old" australian camouflage as used on the Leopard Is.
The pictures I have here are obviously tanks just coming into Australia from the factory. Does anybody have pictures of "in service" tanks? I bet the smoke launchers will be added and with a little luck also some Aussie camouflage. Any help is much appreciated.
Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 12:49 AM UTC
Looking through the internet for in service Australian Abrams. I found this beast. Apparently some camouflage netting testing - both for the M1A1 and the M88. Very similar to what the Danish army is already using for their Leo IIs in Afghanistan.
Looks like the Australian M1A1 Abrams use the standard US Army smoker launchers.
Anybody fancy a modelling challenge?
Looks like the Australian M1A1 Abrams use the standard US Army smoker launchers.
Anybody fancy a modelling challenge?
Nylonathatep
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Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 01:59 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextJesper: Are you thinking about building the PTO Valentine too?
No, I am tempted, but I think I will go for one of the Australian M1A1AS Abrams. M1A1SA are hybrids, mix equipment used by US Army tanks and USMC tanks, without DU layers in armor.
As far as I can tell on the exterior the Australian M1A1 Abrams is the same as the US M1A1 Abrams except for no smoke launchers(!) and an extra power generator at the rear turret. I assume the smoke launchers will be refitted later, but do not know if they are USMC or US Army style.
I might use some artistic license to give it the "old" australian camouflage as used on the Leopard Is.
The pictures I have here are obviously tanks just coming into Australia from the factory. Does anybody have pictures of "in service" tanks? I bet the smoke launchers will be added and with a little luck also some Aussie camouflage. Any help is much appreciated.
The Australian DoD, and the whole government for that matter, seem to really like their secrets, so there aren't that many public pictures of the new tanks. There are few of exercise Chong Ju showing some Abrams in DPP and some not.
more at:
http://www.defence.gov.au/media/download/2010/May/20100513/
So Sand, or DPP is fine.
jasmils
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Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 02:52 AM UTC
To accurately model and I emphasise the word accurately, the Australian version of the M1A1 AIM SA, you will need the Dragon M1A2 SEP #3536 kit as a base. Then either scratch build the extra parts or use my conversion set.
See this thread with regards to the conversion. I liked the job Carmen did so much, I added it to the box art.
Carmen Manning's M1A1 AIM SA Build
The Barracuda MCS was failed trail. As it was on the AS1. Long story short, too easy to rip off the hull and problems with condensation under the panels.
Three Tone Paint
Now this drawing was done by me with information supplied by one of my contacts and is of the trial paint job. It has since change and I need to amened the drawing. But it is a close representation.
Cheers Jason
See this thread with regards to the conversion. I liked the job Carmen did so much, I added it to the box art.
Carmen Manning's M1A1 AIM SA Build
The Barracuda MCS was failed trail. As it was on the AS1. Long story short, too easy to rip off the hull and problems with condensation under the panels.
Three Tone Paint
Now this drawing was done by me with information supplied by one of my contacts and is of the trial paint job. It has since change and I need to amened the drawing. But it is a close representation.
Cheers Jason
D_J_W
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Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 12:27 PM UTC
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Gday guys, sounds like i better be in this , which firefly's did we use ? did we have any halftracks? least i got plenty of time to find somit to build LOLl
Graham
Hi Graham;
The NZ Armd Bde used Fireflies from around mid to late 1944 on. It seems at first they were Ic's (Hybrid hull) and later with Vc's (M4A4s). It looks like the Vc's replaced the Ic's with some Ic's going to the NZAC training depot in Egypt.
As for halftracks, yes. Again in Italy from about October 1944 on, they were used by the 7th Anti-tank Regt, NZA for towing 17-pdr A/T guns.. My guess would be that they were either M5 or M9.
cheers
David
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Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 01:58 PM UTC
Jesper: Looks like you're going to have an interesting build there mate. I'd certainly like to see one built up in this campaign.
Kiwi_Modeller
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Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 07:18 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextGday guys, sounds like i better be in this , which firefly's did we use ? did we have any halftracks? least i got plenty of time to find somit to build LOLl
Graham
Hi Graham;
The NZ Armd Bde used Fireflies from around mid to late 1944 on. It seems at first they were Ic's (Hybrid hull) and later with Vc's (M4A4s). It looks like the Vc's replaced the Ic's with some Ic's going to the NZAC training depot in Egypt.
As for halftracks, yes. Again in Italy from about October 1944 on, they were used by the 7th Anti-tank Regt, NZA for towing 17-pdr A/T guns.. My guess would be that they were either M5 or M9.
cheers
David
Hi David thanks mate im not that up on our army stuff im more of a plane nut in that respect LOL , i goin shoppin tomorrow so will see what i can find .
I'll try gettin the 1C if i can least than i got more option for markings with it being in training and combat, havnt seen a m5 or m9 halftrack yet tho.
im thinking sherman and halftrack , or lavIII if i cant get a m5 for the kiwi side and maybe a matilda and a aslav or bushmaster for the aussies i plan on doing at least two maybe 4 for the campaign.
cheers,
Graham
vonHengest
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Posted: Thursday, September 02, 2010 - 08:38 PM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextGday guys, sounds like i better be in this , which firefly's did we use ? did we have any halftracks? least i got plenty of time to find somit to build LOLl
Graham
Hi Graham;
The NZ Armd Bde used Fireflies from around mid to late 1944 on. It seems at first they were Ic's (Hybrid hull) and later with Vc's (M4A4s). It looks like the Vc's replaced the Ic's with some Ic's going to the NZAC training depot in Egypt.
As for halftracks, yes. Again in Italy from about October 1944 on, they were used by the 7th Anti-tank Regt, NZA for towing 17-pdr A/T guns.. My guess would be that they were either M5 or M9.
cheers
David
Hi David thanks mate im not that up on our army stuff im more of a plane nut in that respect LOL , i goin shoppin tomorrow so will see what i can find .
I'll try gettin the 1C if i can least than i got more option for markings with it being in training and combat, havnt seen a m5 or m9 halftrack yet tho.
im thinking sherman and halftrack , or lavIII if i cant get a m5 for the kiwi side and maybe a matilda and a aslav or bushmaster for the aussies i plan on doing at least two maybe 4 for the campaign.
cheers,
Graham
The Tasca Firefly Vc comes with kiwi markings if you're interested.