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wedgetail53
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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2012 - 09:55 PM UTC
OK, I haven't been loafing over the last few days, rather I've been working away on some of the smaller details which will be left off until the end of construction.

Firstly, we have the two halves of the hull joined together for a trial fit which was, for once, almost perfect.



I've also removed all of the wheels from the sprues, primed them with Tamiya grey primer, undercoated with Tamiya flat black, and a first (light) coat of 50:50 Tamiya Dark Yellow and Flat Earth.



As will be obvious from the picture of the Panther I am modelling, the spare antenna tube is mounted on the back deck, and I have used a Griffon Model brass version.



I have also used the tool racks from the Griffon set, and this is the one for the left side:



The Griffon set also includes the metal reinforcing band for the jack block, and a brass jack block rack:



I have used Tiger Model Designs front hatches, and this is the detail of one of them:



Also in the Griffon set are the racks for the sundry tools on the right hand side, and the track changing cable reel:



Tool rack for the right hand side:



There might be a bit of a break now while I await the arrival of the tracks, as I prefer to put the wheels and tracks on before the more delicate bits.

Regards

Rob
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 06:43 AM UTC
Finished up yesterday,as usual my pics are not the best,but I enjoyed my part in the campaign and I hope that some can benefit from my build.Final painting was done with Tamiya paints,weathered with oils,AK and Mig products.Don't hold back,and thanks for looking.





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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 12:09 PM UTC
Stumbling block,Dragon Panther "F"#6403 Inst.,step 4,exhaust sub assy.I would like to use the PE exhaust brackets,#MB28 and MB30.I've got the MB30 figured out,Where do the MB28 parts go ....and oh yah, here's the box picture of what I'll be building for THIS campaign

And Tony,Sweet work Bud.Jeff
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2012 - 08:15 AM UTC
Panthoholics,

I’m here again with a rather text filled update.


For the armored exhaust guards I used parts C3(C4), these were molded castings and replaced the welded armor exhaust guards C5(6) on late model Ausf G’s and would have been the most likely armored exhaust guards to be installed on the Ausf F. From what I’ve read the welded armor exhaust guards had replaced the original cast armor exhaust guards and these redesigned cast armor exhaust guards replaced the welded armor exhaust guards. They were textured with the Mr. Surfacer 500 before being cemented in place. The two tow brackets G31(G32) on the engine access hatch were also installed along with both external engine starter support guide pins D8. The external engine starter support guide pins are shown 180° around from where they should be on the kit assembly drawings in step 4 and can easily be installed incorrectly.

A .030” (0.762 mm) diameter styrene hex rod bolt head was added to the oil filler boss at the top portion of the final drive housings (inset photograph).

Using the Archer ‘Resin Casting Marks’ set I’ve gone ahead and added casting numbers to both the final drive housings and cast armored exhaust guards. There are casting numbers where I placed them on the final drive housings on the real vehicles but I haven’t seen any casting numbers displayed on any of my reference books for the redesigned cast armor exhaust guards. I took an artistic license here to included a vendor casting number to these redesigned cast armor exhaust guards as they may have had casting numbers included when produced by at least one of any number of cottage vendors late in the war.

For those of you who haven’t used this product before (this is my fist time) the casting marks are cast in resin over clear decal film and you simply apply them just as you would for water slide decals but are intended to be applied under paint. I first brush applied Future acrylic floor coating to the surfaces of the bare plastic and textured surfaces that would be receiving the casting numbers. After applying the casting numbers I brushed on a thin coating of Walthers ‘Solvaset’ decal setting solution over the resin casting numbers, this is really strong stuff and will get just about any decal film to lay down flat against even the most porous surface without leaving any signs of fish scaling under the decals once set. You can also use a little water to dilute the decal solution for very delicate decal films. It’s also a good idea to test this on a decal that you’re not going to use on the same decal sheet for compatibility. I like the results that I got, so I’m going to be using these cast markings again on another build.


.015” (0.381 mm) thick styrene sheet was used to replicate the four studs welded to the right hull rear for mounting the armor storage box used for stowing the infrared night-vision devices (I left out the threaded holes in the center of these studs as they won’t be seen after installing the armor box). Using the same thickness styrene sheet the bracket, for the 20-ton jack holder, was relocated to the center edge of the hull rear. Both of these modifications are taken directly from the scale drawings in the Panzer Tracts No. 5-3 and 5-4 books.


I thinned down the armor guard (C22) covering the upper hulls roof vent hole to better represent the same part as seen in my reference books and scale drawings. I had already installed the cylindrical guard (C29) to the roof vent hole prior to installing the armor guard and the periscope guard (D17 – seen in the far center of the photograph) in step 7. The later replacement armor casting (D52) for the St.G.44 ball mount (B35) are included in the kit but these parts are not mentioned on the kit assembly instructions in step 6 and are shaded as not for use. I went with the replacement armor casting and added a bit more cast texturing using the Mr. Surfacer 500 as the part already comes with a nice cast texturing of its own (inset photograph). Because I’m going to model this vehicle as being hauled I went ahead and covered the opening on the armor casting with the plug for the ball mount (D10).


Here you can see that I’ve gone and added texturing to the armor rear deck plate (A35), there are two optional armor rear deck plates provided in the kit (A34 & A35) and mentioned in step 8, I chose the later one with half the number of mounting bolts with an almost equal number of closure plugs. I attached both the fuel and coolant filler caps ((C16 & C17) to the rear deck plate along with the lifting hooks (A17). I also used the metalizer texturing on the engine access hatch (D15) and fixed the hatch stop (D11) to the hatch. Before placing both armor caps for the air intake holes (A15) to the engine hatch, I punched a hole into a piece of .010” (0.254 mm) thick styrene sheet using a punch a die set and placed the bottoms of the armor caps into the holes and sanded them even to the thickness of the styrene sheet to lower them as they appeared much to high in comparison to my reference books and drawings. The engine hatch handle (A16) was replaced with a .026” (0.6604 mm) diameter steel wire. The handles (B3) in step 6 for both the driver’s and radio operator’s hatches (B11) were also replaced with .020” (0.508 mm) diameter brass wire. I used the Griffon Model workable hinges and handles folding tool to get the right spacing on the bends to match the kit parts. I think the kit parts are nicely molded and really don’t need replacement but I just like to make these items from brass or steel wire.

Texturing was also added to the crew compartment heater (C21 & D12) found in step 8. The pie-slice support frame (D18) was then fixed to the compartment heater. I had removed the bosses for the pie-slice hold down braces on part D12 prior to the texturing as I wanted to model another casting variation of this part as seen in one of my reference books. I added a set of Grandt Line Products, HO scale, 2 ½” hex nut and bolts to both sections and sides of the crew compartment heater, where indicated on the photograph, as these are missing on the kit parts and are present on the real parts. Texturing was also added to the cooling air exhaust armor guard (A9). The kit provides you with two different cooling air exhaust armor guards (A9 & A10) but no mention is made in the kit assembly instructions in step 9 as to which one is the earlier or later casting. I chose the later one as this piece represents the final casting. To the above-mentioned parts I added Archer vendor casting marks.

I thought that the kits 2 m antenna armor base plate (D14) in step 9 was to thick and bolt detail to soft so I fabricated the armor base plate form .015” (0.381 mm) thick styrene sheet and added the three bolts from .030” (0.762 mm) diameter styrene hex rod (circled in red next to the kit part in the photograph). Also circled in red in the photograph is the fabricated tow bracket pin and handle next to the kit supplied pin (D7) from step 4, again I just wanted to model another vendor made variation of this part. The pin is made from .080” (2.032 mm) diameter styrene rod turned down to .070” (1.778 mm) to match the kits pin and the handle is made from 026” (0.6604 mm) diameter steel wire. I opened up the top portion of the air intake armor deflector (C2) in step 8 as this area is molded with part of the screen opening blocked by plastic.

I brush painted the cooling air intake armor guards (A8) in step 9 along with the inside areas of the crew compartment heater, cooling air exhaust armor guard, air intake armor deflector and screen plate for the air intake armor deflector on the rear deck plate with a mixture of Testors flat red and military brown to represent the red oxide primer color used on German AFV’s.


After masking with Tamiya masking tape to keep the paint off of the surrounding areas the cooling air intake channels were also brush painted with the same red oxide primer color mixture and the high performance air exhaust fans were painted with Model Masters flat aluminum and the radiator faces with aircraft interior black. I did not do any weathering or shading of these parts, as they would be very hard to see after adding all the other kit parts above them.


The kits assembly instructions don’t show you how to orientate the cooling air intake armor guards and they can easily be fitted incorrectly on the model. The partial solid casting on one end of the air intake armor guard opening is to help keep the flow of air over just the air intake channels leading to the radiators. You could easily see this in the upper inset photograph.

Using a drill in a hand vise I opened up the armor base for the 2 m antenna for fitting a brass replacement part later in the build. I also partially cut a half radius of plastic away from where the air intake armor deflector screen will reside on the rear deck (lower inset photograph) with a grinder chucked to my Dremel rotary tool as this blocked part of the opening beneath where the screen would be and you could see the plastic.


On my previous posting I had made mention that I would take you through my painting process for the 7 periscopes on the commander’s cupola but I had forgotten about the Driver’s periscope so now that the opportunity has presented itself we’ll take a look at that.

1) I first brush on a coating of Tamiya clear green but only to the top portion of the periscope that you will be able to see once the periscope is installed on the model. For these late model periscopes the armor glass had a slight greenish tint enhanced further by the green interior lighting. I painted the hulls periscopes greener because of they are hiding behind a rain shade and periscope guard. I won’t be so generous with the green when painting the cupolas periscopes. I only painted the rear portion of the periscope and not directly on the front lens opening itself.
2) After letting the acrylic dry for about a half hour I applied a piece of Bare Metal chrome foil over the painted area and with a fresh X-acto blade I trimmed the excess foil off.
3) Here you can see the clear green against the chrome foil backing shining through from the back of the periscope through the front lens opening.
4) I then carefully paint the top portion of the periscope body with Model Masters acrylic Aircraft Interior Black leaving the lens opening alone. You could see the strong reflectiveness that passes through the lens opening with just the slightest amount of lighting on the installed periscope in the background of the photograph.

Next up is the brass photo-etch parts parade!

~ Eddy
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2012 - 08:35 AM UTC
@wedgetail53 - Rob, good progress on your Panther, I'll have to work harder to catch up!

@tojo72 - Anthony, super job on the weathering, you've really captured the vehicle depicted on the box art of your Panther kit.

@MLD – Mike, interesting set up with the Tank Worshop’s and Jaguar’s turret interior. I don’t have the b###s to tackle an interior yet!

@CMOT – Darren, looks like you have somewhat of an interior going on your build too! I like how the road damaged rubber wheels look on your vehicle not that they are painted.

@Nito74 – John, looking forward to seeing what you’ve already done on your Panther turret.


Quoted Text

Stumbling block, Dragon Panther "F" #6403 Inst., step 4, exhaust sub-assembly. I would like to use the PE exhaust brackets, #MB28 and MB30. I've got the MB30 figured out, Where do the MB28 parts go

Jeff



@imatanker - Jeff, The four MB28 parts are studs that were welded to the rear hull to mount the exhaust brackets (MB30). Just attach these to the brackets and then attach the brackets to the hull. Hope this helps you out. BTW great job on the Dragon Wagon over in the 'What If' campaign. And looking forward to your start on the Jagdpanther.

~ Eddy
Tojo72
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2012 - 09:00 AM UTC
Thank you Eddie,it doesn't get any better then your running tutorial,nice feature you got going.
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2012 - 09:41 AM UTC
Here are some pictures of a Panther G I built 27 years ago from a Tamiya Panther A with a scratch built upper hull and a
Tamiya Panther A turret with a modified gun mantle.





















Here are a couple of pictures of my A with an Italieri A









Pete
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2012 - 09:56 AM UTC
Eddy:thanks for the info and comment on the D.W.I went ahead and used the plastic ehaust brackets,just thinned them down.They look O.K. I followed the instructions for the starter support pins and ,yup,I put them on upside down Should be an easy fix.If you are useing the kit supplied PE,have fun.My brief experence with them has not stellar.Marked poorly.Parts within parts and so forth.Thanks for the help,Jeff
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2012 - 03:07 PM UTC
Here's my update for this weekend:





- Added the Eduard Zimm.
- Added the LionRoar Gun

Fixing the gun was not easy since the metal end of the barrel was too long, so if you plan an interior turret skip this LionRoar extra... I had to remove the interior gun cradle provided by Tamyia. It was crude so I wasn't planning it anyway.

- Started working on the hull too, and added some Zimmerit after the photoshoot.

Right now I'm working on the Dragon IR sights that Mike kindly donated me, those clear parts are very detailed but I already misplaced a tiny detail .. it jumped the tweezers, I couldn't find a 2mm clear part

Anyway I hope to post some more soon !! At this pace I might finish this one on time !!!!
wedgetail53
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Posted: Monday, January 09, 2012 - 11:01 AM UTC
Eddy

You'll probably have a pretty good chance to catch up while I await the Arrival of my Panther's barrel and Bronco tracks.

Regards

Rob
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Posted: Monday, January 09, 2012 - 02:27 PM UTC
Hey guys love seeing all the progress
@ Anthony, nice finish on your build came out stunning as usual
@ Eddi I like that tinfoil method I may have to try that thanks for the step by step photos and description
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Posted: Monday, January 09, 2012 - 04:54 PM UTC
Does anyone know if there is a difference between the uniforms of German Panzer troops and SS units crewing tanks and those crewing Jagdpanthers and that type of vehicle?

I know that the piping on SS units shoulder epilettes was pink what colour was used for standard tank/tank hunter crews?
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Posted: Monday, January 09, 2012 - 10:21 PM UTC
Darren

They were pink also. I believe the waffenfarbe (arm of service colours) were pretty much the same across SS and Heer.

Regards

Rob
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Posted: Monday, January 09, 2012 - 11:31 PM UTC
I'm going to try to get some Bronco tracks for my Panther D in a few weeks so I can push forward on the build.

Money's been tight, especially after Christmas.






~ Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 04:28 AM UTC
Well I finally got the chance to throw some paint at this build but I still have a long way to go. I have included another picture of the interior to keep Rob happy.

Now the initial exterior paint job is very basic and a large amount of it will be covered with the tarp that is going on top. I am pleased with how the trackes came out. they were given an initial coat of Tamiya brown paint (I cannot give a specific colour as I have a pot with all the drips and draps of brown paints from Tamiya in one pot), they the recieved a wash of AK interactive Winter steaking grime and then drybrushed with Tamiya gun metal.

The model will be placed on the MiniArt Normandy Crossroads diorama product.







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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 05:45 AM UTC
Darren,camo looks real good,brings it to life.And the tracks have a good look to them.

One thing someone pointed out to me,and maybe your planning to do it,it the worn metal on the inside roadwheels where the tracks teeth contact the front of the wheels.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 06:45 AM UTC

Quoted Text

Well I finally got the chance to throw some paint at this build but I still have a long way to go.



Well! That certainly was a nice toss there Darren! The bar has been set yet again BUT, most of us have the rest of the year to get caught up against you speedy builders! LOL









~ Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 09:57 AM UTC
Wow... Looks like this campaign has shifted into high gear for sure!! Guess I'll add an update. I was attempting to experiment with color modulation but it didn't turn out as good as I expected. I pretty much boogered it up and just painted a straight yellow base coat. So now I'm going to try my hand at camo with my airbrush as I have never done it before. I didn't try to copy any real life camo patterns but just kind of copied the box lid. The Jagdpanther is totally of my own design and not sure I like it but it's there to stay.







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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 10:15 AM UTC
I like the camouflage on the Jagdpanther regardless of accuracy, the camouflage on the Panther seems a little blocky on the front of the hull otherwise it looks good to me.
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 01:06 PM UTC
OK, I am back at it, back surgery is over. I know the red looks bright but it is darker than it looks. I actually ran out of ind link tracks, having to use the spare track links for the hull


This is my camo


Gloss to seal and prep for decals


The hull after 3 applications of Mig filters and none on the turret, quite the contrast.

Started some light chipping also using hairspray.
wedgetail53
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 02:01 PM UTC
Tim

Looking good - I like that "Dark" Yellow colour. You might like to add the retaining pins and chains to the "C" hooks and the spare track links.

Darren - thanks, colour of the girtsack looks much better!

Regards

Rob
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Posted: Thursday, January 12, 2012 - 02:35 PM UTC
checked my mail, there were the final items to my build ..


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Posted: Monday, January 16, 2012 - 02:33 AM UTC
Latest update, this last weekend









I still need to add the MG and it's IR vision device.

The lower hull I added the fine detailed storage boxes, I decided not to add the Eduard Zimm on those resin boxes.
Still need to work on the wheels and the top hull too.
A lot to work on.
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Posted: Monday, January 16, 2012 - 03:45 AM UTC
I'm baaack.My panther build for "that other campaign" is going well.Here's my question,what are these 2 things?I would like to know so I have some kind of clue as to what color to paint them
Thanks.Jeff T. Sorry for the focus,I'm feeling a little fuzzy myself this morning.
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Posted: Monday, January 16, 2012 - 05:33 AM UTC
These are a fire extinguisher and a clamp for joining two ends of the tracks during repair.