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asmodeuss
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2012 - 01:51 PM UTC
Now I need your help guys.
I found this photo from a panther ausf A.

http://data3.primeportal.net/tanks/dmitry_kiyatkin/panther/images/panther_02_of_40.jpg

But it is the only photo that I found of this...I've tried it and it looks like this.





But I'm not quite sure it is accurate, maybe it has been soldered on after capture??
And another question, what about this pic? Should I replicate the braacket that goes over the sprocket? it seems to hold the fender. here is the picture.

http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com/panther_188.jpg

Thank you.

Phil.
BBD468
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2012 - 02:42 PM UTC

Quoted Text

Now I need your help guys.
I found this photo from a panther ausf A.

http://data3.primeportal.net/tanks/dmitry_kiyatkin/panther/images/panther_02_of_40.jpg

But it is the only photo that I found of this...I've tried it and it looks like this.





But I'm not quite sure it is accurate, maybe it has been soldered on after capture??
And another question, what about this pic? Should I replicate the braacket that goes over the sprocket? it seems to hold the fender. here is the picture.

http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com/panther_188.jpg

Thank you.

Phil.



Hi Phil,

Im not a Panther expert by a long shot but im not sure what that is on the reference photo on the fender in the first pic.
the the second pic is a panther A and your flak Panther is a D chassis. so i may be wrong but i think if you dont add the bracket it wont be an accuracy issue. someone else will chime in and set things straight for you.

looking good my friend!

Gary
asmodeuss
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2012 - 02:55 PM UTC
Thanks Gary, I think I'm going to take them of since there only one reference, but I would like to see that hinge the fender rotate around! Got to find it I MUST!

Phil.
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Posted: Monday, February 13, 2012 - 08:04 PM UTC
Hi Jeff,
Yes,I'm adding ET model PE for Panther A and a 'standard' tile zimmerit sheet from cavalier that I am slowly gluing.
best
Antonio
asmodeuss
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 - 03:13 AM UTC
Here are my pre going to work progres.

Gap filling whit melted plastruc styrene



I wanted to assemble the upper with the lower hull so I steped over some sequence on the plan and build the flak support.



Details are fine and since there is not a lot of pics I assume it is accurate...
The positining is somewhat sketchy since its smal beeds inside the lower hull so wtach it there, take your time and turn on maximum light!



After some french swear it came on nicely and suddenly gave birth to a new kit



Still need some infos on the fender hinges if someone find pics or description it would be great.
Thanks.

Phil.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 - 06:44 PM UTC
@asmodeuss – Phil,

The Ausf.D and Ausf.A Panthers were almost identical from the outside and shared many of the same components, the front track guards being one of these items.

The front track guards on these Panthers (D & A) were made up of two sections. The lower sections of the track guards were fastened to the upper sections with wing nuts and the upper sections were fastened to a bracket, which was welded to the chassis, with what appears to be either button head screws or rivets? The upper sections of track guards rested on a brace that was attached with two bolts, per side, to the side of the lower hulls side armor plates (second photograph that you linked).

These track guards were not hinged between the two sections or at the bracket they were fixed in place. The lower sections of the front track guards are usually missing in most photographs. Your first linked photograph appears to have a modified (shortened in width) Panther G front track guard fitted to the vehicle? The small length of metal with the holes in it is part of the side fender bracket, where the forward side fender was attached.

The front track guards on most of the German tanks were hinged (Panzer I, II, III, IV, Tiger and Tiger II) put not on any of the Panthers. Hope this helps?

~ Eddy
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 - 08:36 PM UTC
Maybe is a bit late...but If posible i would like to join the campaign... I got a Panther G for xmass...and I have a Ausf a on inventory.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 - 08:55 PM UTC
Greetings Armor Guys

A first timer here, long time lurker and researching techniques and such. But anyway I am going to jump in right off the High Dive. My first armor kit will be the Tamiya 1/35 Panther A. I will build her as a Tank from 1.ABt/4 Panzer Rgt in Italy. my build will be OOB, with maybe Archer Decals, and maybe figures too as I have never done armor or figures so I will be grateful for all the help. here is the kit. Ill start tomorrow.

asmodeuss
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 02:06 AM UTC

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@asmodeuss – Phil,

The Ausf.D and Ausf.A Panthers were almost identical from the outside and shared many of the same components, the front track guards being one of these items.

The front track guards on these Panthers (D & A) were made up of two sections. The lower sections of the track guards were fastened to the upper sections with wing nuts and the upper sections were fastened to a bracket, which was welded to the chassis, with what appears to be either button head screws or rivets? The upper sections of track guards rested on a brace that was attached with two bolts, per side, to the side of the lower hulls side armor plates (second photograph that you linked).

These track guards were not hinged between the two sections or at the bracket they were fixed in place. The lower sections of the front track guards are usually missing in most photographs. Your first linked photograph appears to have a modified (shortened in width) Panther G front track guard fitted to the vehicle? The small length of metal with the holes in it is part of the side fender bracket, where the forward side fender was attached.

The front track guards on most of the German tanks were hinged (Panzer I, II, III, IV, Tiger and Tiger II) put not on any of the Panthers. Hope this helps?

~ Eddy


So, on the ausf D the fender was taken off for track repair or they just let it there?
Am I getting this right?
Thanks Eddy
Phil
asmodeuss
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 03:06 AM UTC
Found it!

If the pics are right they where takin it off fro track service (this is my final theory)
here is two pics

http://www.panther1944.de/de/sdkfz-171-pzkpfwg-panther/die-letzten-ihrer-art/panther-ausf-d-breda/3-panther-d-breda/detail/73-dbreda-d-107.html?tmpl=component

http://www.panther1944.de/de/sdkfz-171-pzkpfwg-panther/die-letzten-ihrer-art/panther-ausf-d-breda/3-panther-d-breda/detail/71-dbreda-d-082.html?tmpl=component

Any one has a better answer??

Thanks.
Philippe.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 03:27 AM UTC
Hey Phil,

sorry for the bad info on the fender bracket. i had a good feeling Eddy would set you straight on that issue. im not a nut and bolts knowledge kind of guy. ive got a pretty good handle on paint and weathering but i got a lot to learn about the small details that make up these tracked beast we build.

Gary
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 08:36 AM UTC
Finally some pics, good weather so I took them in the afternoon

Panther Primed









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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 08:43 AM UTC
This will be my project, just waiting on the PE storage boxes.

BBD468
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 09:19 AM UTC
Hi Guys,

John - Thats a nice looking Panther. thats one of my favorite panther types. great job!

Jeremy - Thats a fun little kit. i built it last year but only added engine grills. the hull is a bit weird being metal but it makes a nice JP! looking forwart to your build.

Gary
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 12:38 PM UTC
Nice work by everybody This is great,I'm learning alot.
Heres a mid week update.I call it,Get me back on "track" cause I'm on the road(wheels) again.
After getting the hull almost squared away,I figured the next step would be to see how the roadwheels and those stupid rubber band tracks fit.Can ya tell I don't like em
Got the wheels cut off and sanded the flash.The big roadwheel is off Dragons 1/35 Panther F kit just to show the size difference
Looking at the sprockets one of the holes was almost completly molded over so took care of that. Before
And after
You can see the difference in quality between the first and second pic,I figured out that I needed to have the camera rest on something to take the photos.
Dry fitting the roadwheels and sprockets no problems there
Next,Fitting the tracks
I had to stretch them to get them to fit,and as you can see,there is no track sag at all.So I took some foam and stuck it between the hull and the tracks to see if they would take a "set" [img]http://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/500/006236.JPG[/img
Will let them sit that way for awhile and see what happens.Thats all for now,J.T.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 12:44 PM UTC
Here's the pic that was supposed to be in the last post
It never fails,I always seem to screw up at least one pic in every post J.T.
asmodeuss
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 01:16 PM UTC
@ Jeff, Nice lttle bugger and the foam is a sweet idea.
@Gary, The links you sent me helped a lot and kept me motivated to find more.

All those Panthers are looking great gents!

@Gary, where is yours?!

Philippe.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 02:32 PM UTC
I've decided to go with this pic:
http://www.panther1944.de/de/sdkfz-171-pzkpfwg-panther/die-letzten-ihrer-art/panther-ausf-d-breda/3-panther-d-breda/detail/71-dbreda-d-082.html?tmpl=component

So I took some scrap PE and tryed to replicate



Folded it



Punched holes into it



And gave it some life



Then glued it in place.



Voila for today.
Is that to much photos? I don't want to be to step by step here.
I would enjoy coments on that

Phil.

P.S. You guys are realy taking me to the next level with those great build.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 03:01 PM UTC
Thanks Gary, it's a Tamyia's G .
I really like this kit.
This week I'm planning to start painting the beast and finishing the wheels.
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Posted: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 - 04:10 PM UTC
Hey Phil,

Phil, you sure you havent been building tanks for a couple years now? thats a veteran move grabbing some scrap out of the spares box and scratching up what you need. nice job man!

i wouldnt worry about posting to many pics. were all here to learn things, meet people, share our projects, and above all have a great time doing it. and id say you got all of the above pretty well coverd. so keep on keepin on mon ami!!!

Phil, you and Eddy have talked me into it. ill join in and build my Panther when im done with mt T-62.

Hi Jeff,

thats a nice little JP.

Gary
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Posted: Thursday, February 16, 2012 - 01:44 AM UTC

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Hey Phil,

Phil, you sure you havent been building tanks for a couple years now? thats a veteran move grabbing some scrap out of the spares box and scratching up what you need. nice job man!

i wouldnt worry about posting to many pics. were all here to learn things, meet people, share our projects, and above all have a great time doing it. and id say you got all of the above pretty well coverd. so keep on keepin on mon ami!!!

Phil, you and Eddy have talked me into it. ill join in and build my Panther when im done with mt T-62.

Hi Jeff,

thats a nice little JP.

Gary



Thanks for the veteran move quote Gary! But I think I've just use a trick learned From Jonathan on his horch 1A or one of you guys...Don't remember who it was but I know i've picked it up here
Sweet to have you on board Gary!
Phil.
asmodeuss
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Posted: Friday, February 17, 2012 - 02:13 AM UTC
Look what came in yesterday!!



Weeee! Are those hard to clean and assemble?

Phil
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Posted: Friday, February 17, 2012 - 03:46 AM UTC
Hey Phil,

Nice goodies! i always feel like its christmas again when my model goodies come in. your gonna love the fruils. The Mig P228 set is the same set i use. nice range of colors.
let me know how you like the mig brushes. im interested in a set for myself.

Gary
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Posted: Friday, February 17, 2012 - 09:54 AM UTC

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Hey Phil,

Nice goodies! i always feel like its christmas again when my model goodies come in. your gonna love the fruils. The Mig P228 set is the same set i use. nice range of colors.
let me know how you like the mig brushes. im interested in a set for myself.

Gary



I'll keep you posted on those brushes Gary. They seem pretty good, I usually use cytadel brushes and they look the same quality(wich is great).
As for the pigments the colors are awesome but they are coarse, I think im going to grind them in a mortar from now on because they where not as easy to use as the Kama pigments. Maybe they got a little bit moist during the long way home.
Phil.
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Posted: Friday, February 17, 2012 - 01:26 PM UTC
Phil,Ditto on the goodies.I think waiting for them to arrive is worse than Christmas
Well if you remember,when we last left my build,the tracks and roadwheels had been dry fitted.It was found that the tracks where waaay too tight and had no sag at all.Foam was placed between the hull and tracks to see if they would take a"set". After sitting for 2 days the foam was removed and voila.......
It didn't work
After messing around with them and thinking for awhile I came up with plan "B" Here it is.The tracks where so tight that I did not think that any type of glue would hold them in place.
After figuring out about where the tracks needed to sag,I laid out and drilled four holes in the hull,2 on each side, front and rear.The drilled hole is the one furthest to the right
I took some fairly heavy wire and threaded it through the holes like this
Put the roadwheels and the tracks back on and again voila.....
It WORKED As you can see the wire sticking out of the sides of the hull hold the tracks in place,and the ends are tucked under the hull edge,they show a little bit but if I paint them black and do some weathering,I don't think they will show at all.
It came out well enough that I may try it on my next 1/35 build with "rubber band"tracks.
That's all for now.J.T.