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@Kevin adding home made Zimm is like using putty to fill seams so that is ok but an AM Zimm set would not be allowed
Hope that cleared up some questions and I'm still at work so when I get a chance over the weekend I will write up the proposal and get it submitted

Sal: I suppose I am somewhat confused! If "OOTB" means out of the box, and no zimm comes in the box, why is this allowed? I'm not actually protesting here, but I am curious... I would not have thought puttying seams and sinks (repairing faults in the kit - not adding details, but doing "good modelling") equated with adding on a detail (zimm is an added detail). By this measure, it becomes a gray thing indeed as to what counts and what does not! I am currently guessing that "OOTB" means here "no formal AM kit or bits added", but scratch detailing is OK? If I can add putty zimm, can I replace molded-on fender brackets with items made from sheet styrene, or build a radio rack from styrene or tin-foil? These are not formal AM kits, but certes also not from the box.

I'm really much interested in clarification: This is exactly the discussion we've been having at our club meeting as we get closer to our next show and some of us clamor for an "OOTB" category and others dwell on the definition. And it's this kind of grayness about OOTB that has lead some clubs and shows to say "skip it" as a contest category. Which, IMHO, is very sad - as OOTB allows a modeller to demo his/her skills without the "distraction" of having added a bunch of stuff. The OOTB build showcases what you can do with what you got in the kit, or so I thought. PS: I guess I am pretty conservative about it and say that the parts must be in the box - no making parts (such as adding conduits from sprue from the box, etc.), no scratch add-ons, no PE or AM kits and bits (cans, gun barrels, etc.). The "gray area" for me comes when the kit instructions say to "get a piece of brass or copper wire and use it to make a tow pin" - and no wire is provided (somthing seen to happen in some Italeri kits, etc.). But that's my perspective and understanding.

Bob

So, as this seems more "OOTB - lite and flexible", what about my adding on some scratch conduits and wiring and head-phones around a radio set? No AM - just a little stretched sprue or solder and a little styrene sheet...?
Bob

hi Sal

can you confirm for me that you are allowing winged aircraft aswell in campaign or do we have to build armour aswell? the quote of your reply in earlier post confused me haha

'' @ Paul if you build wingy thingy as well as you build armor then I'm looking forward to that ''

cheers tony