The details, how well the parts are created, and even their beakdown and arrangement on the sprues remind me of DML's newer kits such as M1A2 SEP. Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.J Late Production, M7 Priest Mid-Production, or German RSO/3 w/5cm PaK 38.
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Russian T-90 MBT ( Zvezda 1/35)
majjanelson
Joined: December 14, 2006
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 03:12 AM UTC
Looking through the images of the new kit, I'm wondering if Zvezda has utulized the services of another manufacturer such as DML to produce this kit.
The details, how well the parts are created, and even their beakdown and arrangement on the sprues remind me of DML's newer kits such as M1A2 SEP. Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.J Late Production, M7 Priest Mid-Production, or German RSO/3 w/5cm PaK 38.
The details, how well the parts are created, and even their beakdown and arrangement on the sprues remind me of DML's newer kits such as M1A2 SEP. Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.J Late Production, M7 Priest Mid-Production, or German RSO/3 w/5cm PaK 38.
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 05:35 AM UTC
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Looking through the images of the new kit, I'm wondering if Zvezda has utulized the services of another manufacturer such as DML to produce this kit.
The details, how well the parts are created, and even their beakdown and arrangement on the sprues remind me of DML's newer kits such as M1A2 SEP. Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.J Late Production, M7 Priest Mid-Production, or German RSO/3 w/5cm PaK 38.
I agree I've already told that this kit "tastes of China", but Olegas (who's a very skilled and experienced modeller) told me that Zvezda usually make all the kits by themselves. It could be possible that Zvezda have taken an inspiration by DML. Otherwise, if they had made the kit in China, why they wouldn't have made a one piece molded lower hull using for it the advanced sliding mould technology?
Great job so far Christian. Regarding the tracks, all in all they seem quite good. They are not single track links, but they don't are made in vinyl and teeth have the right holes. I think they can be assembled OOB
afv_rob
Joined: October 09, 2005
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 05:43 AM UTC
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Looking through the images of the new kit, I'm wondering if Zvezda has utulized the services of another manufacturer such as DML to produce this kit.
The details, how well the parts are created, and even their beakdown and arrangement on the sprues remind me of DML's newer kits such as M1A2 SEP. Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.J Late Production, M7 Priest Mid-Production, or German RSO/3 w/5cm PaK 38.
Its no good comparing this kit to Zvezdas other soviet stuff. Their other Russian armour kits are years old and either re-boxes of early DML junk or their own work but from the days of early injection moulding technology. Zvezda kits have improved leaps and bounds in the last few years. I have been told their WW2 1/35 kits are really very very good. Their figures are in my opinion some of the best injection moulded around, and I believe far better than Masterbox or Miniart (who everyone raves about). I've also heard some of their newer aircraft kits give Hasagawa and co a run for their money. So I really don't think we should doubt Zvezda.
Of course, this kit aint perfect........
ninjrk
Joined: January 26, 2006
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 05:47 AM UTC
Agreed. Their figure kits are nowadays as good as any other plastic manufacturer and their aircraft kits have been comparable with Dragon and such for a few years now.
Matt
Matt
Warsawpact
Joined: September 25, 2006
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 06:12 AM UTC
Thanks Mauro. I'll keep up the building speed.
Personaly i prefer links, but the track sections that came whit the kit are perfectly usable and good detailing.
Jeff & Rob..
You are right, comparing the new zvezda stuff to their older kits is hard. Just like the general saying goes on this thread i've halso had the impression that Zvezda hasn't done the T-90 entirely by themselves.
I've heard that the kits were actually delivered from China to the main dealer, which from the store i got mine was very vaguely "confirmed". It was also mentioned that a Hong Kong firm might had a hand in the T-90 CAD work. Surpricingly not DML but MENG/Kinetic.
The above is just what i've heard and have no proof of anything. It is not facts, only rumours.
But still, interesting that more people than i get a "chinese feeling" from this kit.
Concerning the build....photos have been taken of the turret whit alot of stuff mounted to it but photobucket upload service seems to be on strike at the moment
Personaly i prefer links, but the track sections that came whit the kit are perfectly usable and good detailing.
Jeff & Rob..
You are right, comparing the new zvezda stuff to their older kits is hard. Just like the general saying goes on this thread i've halso had the impression that Zvezda hasn't done the T-90 entirely by themselves.
I've heard that the kits were actually delivered from China to the main dealer, which from the store i got mine was very vaguely "confirmed". It was also mentioned that a Hong Kong firm might had a hand in the T-90 CAD work. Surpricingly not DML but MENG/Kinetic.
The above is just what i've heard and have no proof of anything. It is not facts, only rumours.
But still, interesting that more people than i get a "chinese feeling" from this kit.
Concerning the build....photos have been taken of the turret whit alot of stuff mounted to it but photobucket upload service seems to be on strike at the moment
Warsawpact
Joined: September 25, 2006
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 06:23 AM UTC
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Agreed. Their figure kits are nowadays as good as any other plastic manufacturer and their aircraft kits have been comparable with Dragon and such for a few years now.
Matt
I totally agree.
Their "Modern Russian Tank Crew " figure set in 1/35 scale is fantastic!
todorovicandreas
Joined: May 01, 2007
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 06:49 AM UTC
Honestly now, what really does it matter where this kit was designed or injected? We can be happy to have this kit. And why is it so hard to believe that a russian company could improve their OWN products and make them? I dont get the point of the discussion. Just look at ZVEZDA´s OWN products and releases and get the "russian feeling" of them instead....but please dont take me wrong or personal.
A few months ago some dont wanted to believe that ZVEZDA does this T-90 all new, now it´s here and we discuss where it was designed?
Very nice work so far, thanks for sharing. I just wish the T-90 would finally hit central europe, cant be that far away anymore
Keep up the good work,
best regards,
Andreas
A few months ago some dont wanted to believe that ZVEZDA does this T-90 all new, now it´s here and we discuss where it was designed?
Very nice work so far, thanks for sharing. I just wish the T-90 would finally hit central europe, cant be that far away anymore
Keep up the good work,
best regards,
Andreas
Spiderfrommars
Joined: July 13, 2010
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 07:00 AM UTC
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Quoted TextAgreed. Their figure kits are nowadays as good as any other plastic manufacturer and their aircraft kits have been comparable with Dragon and such for a few years now.
Matt
I totally agree.
Their "Modern Russian Tank Crew " figure set in 1/35 scale is fantastic!
Have you seen their set of Russian paratroopers in Affghan war?
It looks really impressive. For exemple AK-47's are incredibly crisp. A paIr of knelled figures even has the boot sole moulded under the shoes!
I have in my stash also a very nice set of russian soldiers made by ICM and reissued by Tamiya. Although is a nice set is a FAR less good than the zvezda one
Nito74
Joined: March 04, 2008
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 07:43 AM UTC
Here I was happy, just building and trying hard to reduce my stash.
Not buying a kit for months.
Damn, I got to have this one....
Not buying a kit for months.
Damn, I got to have this one....
Warsawpact
Joined: September 25, 2006
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 09:57 AM UTC
UPDATE 6
There's a big amount of ERA, wires, pointy things and gizmos on the turret.
It's very bulky in a russian sort of way and i've still got all kind of small stuff left to add on. Especially the barrel which i've got to get some putty on.
The turret is now roughly 80% complete.
Any tips on what material i should use for the aerials. How long/high are the russian radio aerials on the real T-90?
There's a big amount of ERA, wires, pointy things and gizmos on the turret.
It's very bulky in a russian sort of way and i've still got all kind of small stuff left to add on. Especially the barrel which i've got to get some putty on.
The turret is now roughly 80% complete.
Any tips on what material i should use for the aerials. How long/high are the russian radio aerials on the real T-90?
meaty_hellhound
Joined: July 23, 2010
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 01:44 PM UTC
amazing work on this great kit.
i sent you some links that should help with the detail questions such as the antennas.
some antennas are straight rods (mainly on modern vehicles) and i like to use thin styrene rod from Evergreen. i drill a hole in the antenna base so it sits well when glued.
some antennas taper from a thick base to a very thin top end. for these i just use stretched sprue which is passed over a flame and pulled. sometimes i keep it pulled for a minute so it cools straight and sometimes i drape it over something to get a nice arc.
i almost always leave my antennas off the model until the very last stage of finishing the paintwork as they can get in the way for masking and brush work. just an old habit i still carry on with after busting them off at some stage enough times.
keep her rolling. cheers, bd.
i sent you some links that should help with the detail questions such as the antennas.
some antennas are straight rods (mainly on modern vehicles) and i like to use thin styrene rod from Evergreen. i drill a hole in the antenna base so it sits well when glued.
some antennas taper from a thick base to a very thin top end. for these i just use stretched sprue which is passed over a flame and pulled. sometimes i keep it pulled for a minute so it cools straight and sometimes i drape it over something to get a nice arc.
i almost always leave my antennas off the model until the very last stage of finishing the paintwork as they can get in the way for masking and brush work. just an old habit i still carry on with after busting them off at some stage enough times.
keep her rolling. cheers, bd.
markchis
Joined: February 09, 2009
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 07:58 PM UTC
It looks superb - and excellent build log Christian ! I think a lot of people have been waiting for this kit. Interesting comments about Zvezda - they have been making high quality models for a while now. I know it is off the mark - but the airliners they produce in 1/144 are some of the best you can get. I suppose all we need now is more subjects from them of such high quality !
cheers
Mark
cheers
Mark
ejasonk
Joined: October 14, 2007
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 11:31 PM UTC
Great looking Decepticon!
I run the doors down,when my dealer got them in town.
Seems like Zvezda still doesnt include plastic bags for the sprues?
Zvezda,why?
Who´s the first to come up with a T-90M (S) conversation?!
I run the doors down,when my dealer got them in town.
Seems like Zvezda still doesnt include plastic bags for the sprues?
Zvezda,why?
Who´s the first to come up with a T-90M (S) conversation?!
SEDimmick
Joined: March 15, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 03:06 AM UTC
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Looking through the images of the new kit, I'm wondering if Zvezda has utulized the services of another manufacturer such as DML to produce this kit.
The details, how well the parts are created, and even their beakdown and arrangement on the sprues remind me of DML's newer kits such as M1A2 SEP. Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.J Late Production, M7 Priest Mid-Production, or German RSO/3 w/5cm PaK 38.
I wouldn't get too spun up about this...if anything Zvezda did the CAD work to cut the molds and had someone in China cut them for them. I've also noticed distinct Dragon "flavor" with some of the Zvezda kits I've seen...which just means they might have used the same software or tooling company to do the molds with.
Keep in mind that Dragon uses a couple different mold makers...I remember seeing comments from people who helped Dragon develop kits and them saying that the M1A1 AIM and M1A2 SEP kits where done by someone else then the normal company they used on their German releases...you can tell the detail/quality isn't quite the same...its still very good, but not as good as other kits.
Warsawpact
Joined: September 25, 2006
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 04:38 AM UTC
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Seems like Zvezda still doesnt include plastic bags for the sprues?
Zvezda,why?
The sprues in the T-90 kit actually came in plastic bags. But not those "loose" bags that DML and Tamiya use but the bags clinged to the sprued.
Not shrink wrapped but not far off.
realbusman
Joined: July 06, 2008
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 05:05 AM UTC
Just got mine today, what a lovely kit makes up for turning 48 yesterday. I hope this is the start of a series of modern eastern armour from Zvezda to this high standard. Thankyou Zvezda.
Warsawpact
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 05:18 AM UTC
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amazing work on this great kit.
i sent you some links that should help with the detail questions such as the antennas.
some antennas are straight rods (mainly on modern vehicles) and i like to use thin styrene rod from Evergreen. i drill a hole in the antenna base so it sits well when glued.
some antennas taper from a thick base to a very thin top end. for these i just use stretched sprue which is passed over a flame and pulled. sometimes i keep it pulled for a minute so it cools straight and sometimes i drape it over something to get a nice arc.
i almost always leave my antennas off the model until the very last stage of finishing the paintwork as they can get in the way for masking and brush work. just an old habit i still carry on with after busting them off at some stage enough times.
keep her rolling. cheers, bd.
Thanks for the usefull links Bruce!
I'll put on the aerials at the very last, after painting and weathering.
Soon i'm about to finish the turret and embark upon the andventure on building the chassi.
Warsawpact
Joined: September 25, 2006
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 05:21 AM UTC
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It looks superb - and excellent build log Christian ! I think a lot of people have been waiting for this kit. Interesting comments about Zvezda - they have been making high quality models for a while now. I know it is off the mark - but the airliners they produce in 1/144 are some of the best you can get. I suppose all we need now is more subjects from them of such high quality !
cheers
Mark
Thank you Mark!
And yes, the kit is truly superb. A great value kit!
Indeed zvezda have gotten their act together and started churning out better stuff. But i'm still a bit surpriced on how great this kit is compared to their previous tank kits.
Warsawpact
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 05:25 AM UTC
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Just got mine today, what a lovely kit makes up for turning 48 yesterday. I hope this is the start of a series of modern eastern armour from Zvezda to this high standard. Thankyou Zvezda.
Happy Birthday !
Hopefully Trumpeter will also soldier on whit their "T" kits.
They've made T-62's and now soon bo be released T-64's. It would be perfect if they kept on and made a T-72 and...just perhaps...made a T-80 kit.
But a 1/35 scale Tunguska from zvezda whit the detailing grade as from the T-90 would be paradice!
Logan
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 05:44 AM UTC
HI
Still waiting on this side of the pond. From the build so far, it looks like a very nice kit.
Keep posting.
Tom
Still waiting on this side of the pond. From the build so far, it looks like a very nice kit.
Keep posting.
Tom
Gorizont
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 05:59 AM UTC
Great build so far!
Also this seems to be a great kit with nice details.
Yes, you said it... an 1/35 "2S6M Tunguska" in plastic from Zvezda or Trumpeter would be great!
Some months ago I bought the resin-variant - which is a good kit - but my limited skills give me some problems.
greetings...
Soeren
Also this seems to be a great kit with nice details.
Yes, you said it... an 1/35 "2S6M Tunguska" in plastic from Zvezda or Trumpeter would be great!
Some months ago I bought the resin-variant - which is a good kit - but my limited skills give me some problems.
greetings...
Soeren
Spiderfrommars
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 06:16 AM UTC
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Hopefully Trumpeter will also soldier on whit their "T" kits.
They've made T-62's and now soon bo be released T-64's. It would be perfect if they kept on and made a T-72 and...just perhaps...made a T-80 kit.
...I've become boring
I've been telling the same thing for about 3 years now
Leopard-2
Joined: November 10, 2009
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 06:58 AM UTC
Somebody please correct me if i'm wrong but hasn't Trumpeter declared to release a Tunguska this year? I'm pretty sure about that. There have been a few graphics around.
Amen to that, especially the T-80 (maybe T-84?)!
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Hopefully Trumpeter will also soldier on whit their "T" kits.
They've made T-62's and now soon bo be released T-64's. It would be perfect if they kept on and made a T-72 and...just perhaps...made a T-80 kit.
Amen to that, especially the T-80 (maybe T-84?)!
Gorizont
Joined: November 28, 2007
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 09:18 AM UTC
Hi Bernd, no... this was a "bad joke" from Trumpeter.
I also found an "anouncement" for a T-90 tank with a beautiful image. But also this was only a copy from a 3D-image-art-webpage.
For the 2S6M Tunguska....
http://www.precise3dmodeling.com/models/tunguska.html
greetings...
Soeren
I also found an "anouncement" for a T-90 tank with a beautiful image. But also this was only a copy from a 3D-image-art-webpage.
For the 2S6M Tunguska....
http://www.precise3dmodeling.com/models/tunguska.html
greetings...
Soeren
Hisham
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 09:41 AM UTC
I don't believe Trumpeter announced a Tunguska for this year
Maybe you mean this JGSDF Type 87 SPH?
Hisham
Maybe you mean this JGSDF Type 87 SPH?
Hisham
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