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MAZ 537 F/A Pusher Tractor
Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 03:07 AM UTC
Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 03:51 AM UTC
Starting work on the load box deck. I have very little reference of this area on the vehicle so the design will have to be mostly free-lanced. However I doubt there is much difference in the design engineering of this aspect of the MAZ missile vehicle than there would be in the design of the deck of a farm wagon or farm truck which I do have some experience with.
This last photo above reminds me that there should be two rather large air tanks mounted one on each side of the frame between the #3 and #4 axles. I will have to work on those!
This last photo above reminds me that there should be two rather large air tanks mounted one on each side of the frame between the #3 and #4 axles. I will have to work on those!
Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 10:08 AM UTC
Posted: Thursday, December 18, 2014 - 08:14 PM UTC
As you can see in the photo above; I have also started on the scratch built mid-ships fenders as well as the A frame support for the front bumper mounted "Stinger".
More photos posted tonight!
More photos posted tonight!
Posted: Friday, December 19, 2014 - 09:15 AM UTC
FYI the white bars you see running along the fenders next to the engine covers are wire enclosure channels (Wireways). The high voltage power wiring from the generator for the active drive trailer runs down one side of the vehicle and the low voltage control wiring runs down the other side. They both meet in the center front of the vehicle, feed through the Stinger and into the trailer.
Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 12:54 AM UTC
Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 01:17 AM UTC
Wanted to compare the after market resin wheels and tires from Tank Workshop against the ones offered in the kit.
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This photo compares the Tank Workshop wheel (On the right) with the kit tire and wheel on the left.
I have seen reports that the wheel center/gear reduction final drive case is too small on the Tank Workshop offerings. I would have to say that I agree, however there is the possibility that different 537 vehicles utilized different gear reduction ratios. If that is the case then a truck with a higher "speed ratio" might have a smaller center hub whereas a truck with a lower "power ratio" final drive might have a larger center hub. If so then it is unfortunate that Tank Workshop happened across the smaller and more rare, high speed hub when taking their measurements to make their pattern.
Smaller gears would mean a higher gear ratio and therefore a smaller hub size.
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This photo compares the Tank Workshop wheel (On the right) with the kit tire and wheel on the left.
I have seen reports that the wheel center/gear reduction final drive case is too small on the Tank Workshop offerings. I would have to say that I agree, however there is the possibility that different 537 vehicles utilized different gear reduction ratios. If that is the case then a truck with a higher "speed ratio" might have a smaller center hub whereas a truck with a lower "power ratio" final drive might have a larger center hub. If so then it is unfortunate that Tank Workshop happened across the smaller and more rare, high speed hub when taking their measurements to make their pattern.
Smaller gears would mean a higher gear ratio and therefore a smaller hub size.
Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 01:36 AM UTC
The only reason I am using the Tank Workshop wheels is b/c that was the only way I could get the spare tire I needed for this model.
I do very much like the Tank Workshop's very crisp tire tread pattern but all things being equal I would just as soon be using the kit tires if I could.
Of interesting note: Trumpeter appears to have re-mastered the rubber tire molding they are shipping with their more recent MAZ kits. The new master is more flexible, more rounded (like the real thing) with a very nice tread pattern and more realistic sidewall pattern. (Sorry still no raised sidewall lettering.)
I do very much like the Tank Workshop's very crisp tire tread pattern but all things being equal I would just as soon be using the kit tires if I could.
Of interesting note: Trumpeter appears to have re-mastered the rubber tire molding they are shipping with their more recent MAZ kits. The new master is more flexible, more rounded (like the real thing) with a very nice tread pattern and more realistic sidewall pattern. (Sorry still no raised sidewall lettering.)
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Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 02:33 AM UTC
I like the Resin tires much better. I used the same ones a couple years back on my Maz. You can't go wrong using them over the kit wheels.
Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 03:28 AM UTC
Greg - I still plan to round off the molded sharp edge of the tire castings (between the tread and the sidewall.) I know it looks cool but it just does not match the reality of the "Scud" tire.
I am even considering weather I could cut the larger wheel hub out of the kit wheels and put them like caps over the hubs of the Tank Workshop wheels ? ? ?
I am even considering weather I could cut the larger wheel hub out of the kit wheels and put them like caps over the hubs of the Tank Workshop wheels ? ? ?
Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 05:20 AM UTC
Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 05:23 AM UTC
That was OK but the hub still sat too tall and appeared TOO big . . . so then another idea:
Gotta thin the backside of the hub down a little bit more to get it to set down properly and it's in! Now I have the best of both worlds.
I added a thin shim inside the Trumpeter hub and now the hubs are such a perfect fit over the old hubs that once I pushed them on I had to pry them off with an exacto knife!
Seven more to go . . .
Dedicated thread on modifying these MAZ wheels can be viewed at:
http://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/229914
Gotta thin the backside of the hub down a little bit more to get it to set down properly and it's in! Now I have the best of both worlds.
I added a thin shim inside the Trumpeter hub and now the hubs are such a perfect fit over the old hubs that once I pushed them on I had to pry them off with an exacto knife!
Seven more to go . . .
Dedicated thread on modifying these MAZ wheels can be viewed at:
http://armorama.kitmaker.net/forums/229914
Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 05:30 AM UTC
Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 07:08 AM UTC
Before and after: Stock Tank Workshop wheel on the left, the modified wheel on the right. Both tires come from Tank Workshop.
Please Note: While I love the crisp and well defined shoulder of the Tank Workshop tires it, I am afraid, is not correct to prototype. So as you may notice I has rounded off the shoulder "edge" of the tire tread blocks with a file. I have also taken a smaller file and rounded off the "valleys" between the shoulder tread blocks.
The removable wheel hubs are sure going to make it easy to paint the whitewalls!
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Here's something to compare the wheels to; judge for yourself.
Please Note: While I love the crisp and well defined shoulder of the Tank Workshop tires it, I am afraid, is not correct to prototype. So as you may notice I has rounded off the shoulder "edge" of the tire tread blocks with a file. I have also taken a smaller file and rounded off the "valleys" between the shoulder tread blocks.
The removable wheel hubs are sure going to make it easy to paint the whitewalls!
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Here's something to compare the wheels to; judge for yourself.
Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 07:27 AM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 11:02 AM UTC
Perfect wheel upgrade.
Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 01:11 PM UTC
Hi Mike - wow! Great build - I just rolled through the thread - nice!
Looking forward to your progress! Thanks for showing all the steps so far - inspiring stuff
Cheers
Nick
Looking forward to your progress! Thanks for showing all the steps so far - inspiring stuff
Cheers
Nick
Posted: Saturday, December 20, 2014 - 10:56 PM UTC
We mentioned earlier that Trumpeter must have changed suppliers for their molded rubber tires. I received the mounted tire (top) in an earlier MAZ kit and the unmounted tire (bottom) came later with the kit I am now working on.
Which one do you like better?
Since the unmounted tires are now in my spares box I am considering swapping them on my earlier work. I like the tread blocks better on the older tire but I think overall the new tire looks more real.
The two correct tread pattern options for the 537 and 543:
Which one do you like better?
Since the unmounted tires are now in my spares box I am considering swapping them on my earlier work. I like the tread blocks better on the older tire but I think overall the new tire looks more real.
The two correct tread pattern options for the 537 and 543:
Posted: Sunday, December 21, 2014 - 06:27 AM UTC
Posted: Sunday, December 21, 2014 - 10:05 AM UTC
Tonight's efforts focused on building the load box walls and tailgate.
Also I modified a third wheel/tire combo with the new larger drive hub - five more to go!
As you can see above three wheel hubs replaced and five yet to go.
Would that I could step up and view what is in that load box!
We can see some storage lockers in the front of the box. Also a standard loading jib crane is stowed further back.
AND Two more items I can only suspect;
#1. I expect that the unusual length (and extreme overhang) of the load box is governed by the need to be able to carry the stinger probe when not is use. (As when returning from the silo back to the assembly plant, awaiting the next missile assignment). So there is probably some sort of cradle fixture required to store the stinger when not in use that runs down the center of the load box.
#2. This vehicle is clearly a ballast tractor, just like the MAZ airport tug or the M19 Diamond T ballast tractor. This vehicle would therefore require some sort of dead weight load to increase the tractive effort of the rear two axles. I therefore suspect there to be either four or six very large cast metal dead weights carried in this load box just as there is in the airport tug.
Any further thoughts anyone might offer on this subject would be greatly appricated.
Also I modified a third wheel/tire combo with the new larger drive hub - five more to go!
As you can see above three wheel hubs replaced and five yet to go.
Would that I could step up and view what is in that load box!
We can see some storage lockers in the front of the box. Also a standard loading jib crane is stowed further back.
AND Two more items I can only suspect;
#1. I expect that the unusual length (and extreme overhang) of the load box is governed by the need to be able to carry the stinger probe when not is use. (As when returning from the silo back to the assembly plant, awaiting the next missile assignment). So there is probably some sort of cradle fixture required to store the stinger when not in use that runs down the center of the load box.
#2. This vehicle is clearly a ballast tractor, just like the MAZ airport tug or the M19 Diamond T ballast tractor. This vehicle would therefore require some sort of dead weight load to increase the tractive effort of the rear two axles. I therefore suspect there to be either four or six very large cast metal dead weights carried in this load box just as there is in the airport tug.
Any further thoughts anyone might offer on this subject would be greatly appricated.
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Posted: Sunday, December 21, 2014 - 06:59 PM UTC
Looking good.....I realy look the improved wheel with the larger hub....
Posted: Sunday, December 21, 2014 - 07:12 PM UTC
Four wheels converted - four to go!
I'm getting better (and quicker) at making the conversion so things are moving along more smoothly now.
Also I am thinning the hub more so it really snugs down onto the wheel and looks like it is all one piece!
Ah, be one with the wheel grasshopper . . .
I'm getting better (and quicker) at making the conversion so things are moving along more smoothly now.
Also I am thinning the hub more so it really snugs down onto the wheel and looks like it is all one piece!
Ah, be one with the wheel grasshopper . . .
Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 - 12:12 AM UTC
Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 - 12:13 AM UTC
Here is the flat brass etch part as it comes in the kit:
This thin etched piece is MORE correct for the early production tractor . . .
. . . but totally wrong on the late production vehicle
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Here is a shot of a previous MAZ build to better illustrate my point. I think the framing serves to stop the viewer's eye from straying into the depths of the engine compartment but rather keeps them focused on the surface detail. They might actually come away saying "oh no, that MAZ model HAD an engine!?
This thin etched piece is MORE correct for the early production tractor . . .
. . . but totally wrong on the late production vehicle
___________________________________________________________
Here is a shot of a previous MAZ build to better illustrate my point. I think the framing serves to stop the viewer's eye from straying into the depths of the engine compartment but rather keeps them focused on the surface detail. They might actually come away saying "oh no, that MAZ model HAD an engine!?
Posted: Tuesday, December 23, 2014 - 12:23 AM UTC