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Waiting for a new Deuce and a Half
165thspc
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 - 06:56 AM UTC
A couple more found photos:
165thspc
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Posted: Sunday, September 29, 2013 - 07:24 AM UTC
Airborne WC with "loading dolly" attached:
165thspc
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 02:39 AM UTC
Airborne CCKW with loading dolly/caster:
Splicing "Fishplates" on an Airborne CCKW:
Splicing "Fishplates" on an Airborne CCKW:
Cobrahistorian
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 02:47 AM UTC
Michael,
Thanks to this thread, I just started converting an Italeri hard cab CCKW to a -352. It's your fault!
I'll post pics in a bit. So far all's going swimmingly. I'm working on getting the bed correct now. Fun!
Jon
Thanks to this thread, I just started converting an Italeri hard cab CCKW to a -352. It's your fault!
I'll post pics in a bit. So far all's going swimmingly. I'm working on getting the bed correct now. Fun!
Jon
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 03:36 PM UTC
CCKW-352 so far. Gotta smooth out the joints on where I cut out material, but the dimensions are correct.
clovis899
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Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 - 04:21 PM UTC
Michael,
Thanks for all the photos you have included in the thread, they are a file folder on my hard drive all by themselves! You know what is going to happen someday soon, don't know when, but it is bound to happen; first one, then another deuce and a half will hit the market. Then it will turn into a veritable flood with everyone releasing different load outs, to many to keep up with. Well, at least I hope so!
Cheers,
Rick Cooper
Thanks for all the photos you have included in the thread, they are a file folder on my hard drive all by themselves! You know what is going to happen someday soon, don't know when, but it is bound to happen; first one, then another deuce and a half will hit the market. Then it will turn into a veritable flood with everyone releasing different load outs, to many to keep up with. Well, at least I hope so!
Cheers,
Rick Cooper
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Posted: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 - 05:50 PM UTC
Ok, I've got a major case of modeling ADD. I've been bouncing from project to project whenever something new and shiny catches my eye. I have actually finished two models recently, have three more that are on the brink and then there's the Sgt. York project. They will all get finished.
This thread, however, got me interested in CCKW variants. I picked up an Italeri hard-cab CCKW off of ebay and wanted to do something different. The measurement that Frenchy posted showing the mods to the frame for a SWB CCKW sealed it for me. So, here's my CCKW-352 as it sits right now.
This one will be the prime mover for a scratchbuilt M51 Quad-.50 trailer.
Here's a shot of it with my nearly finished soft-cab CCKW-353 and the M51 trailer.
This thread, however, got me interested in CCKW variants. I picked up an Italeri hard-cab CCKW off of ebay and wanted to do something different. The measurement that Frenchy posted showing the mods to the frame for a SWB CCKW sealed it for me. So, here's my CCKW-352 as it sits right now.
This one will be the prime mover for a scratchbuilt M51 Quad-.50 trailer.
Here's a shot of it with my nearly finished soft-cab CCKW-353 and the M51 trailer.
Cobrahistorian
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Posted: Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 12:27 AM UTC
Sorry for the blurry shot, here's a better one:
Frenchy
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Posted: Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 05:27 AM UTC
Hi Jon
It's probably too late, but Azimut Production has released a M51 trailer. (just don't order it directly if you're interested
)
H.P.
It's probably too late, but Azimut Production has released a M51 trailer. (just don't order it directly if you're interested
) H.P.
Cobrahistorian
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Posted: Thursday, October 03, 2013 - 05:47 AM UTC
Thanks Frenchy!
They're pretty hard to come by, especially since ADV doesn't understand the designations of the various 2-ton trailers. Makes finding them on ebay very difficult! The M51 is a combination of the M17 trailer (shown in your photo) and the M45D Quad 50 turret. Plus, I'm having more fun scratchbuilding it, using my real one as a reference!
Jon
They're pretty hard to come by, especially since ADV doesn't understand the designations of the various 2-ton trailers. Makes finding them on ebay very difficult! The M51 is a combination of the M17 trailer (shown in your photo) and the M45D Quad 50 turret. Plus, I'm having more fun scratchbuilding it, using my real one as a reference!
Jon
165thspc
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Posted: Friday, October 04, 2013 - 02:37 AM UTC
GREAT work Jon. Always glad to help further the modeling insanity!
Love the the Deuce and love the trailer. Do you have a sketch on how the trailer suspension works? I tried to crawl under the one at the Victory Museum but the spacing was so tight I still could not figure out how it was set up!
Mike
Love the the Deuce and love the trailer. Do you have a sketch on how the trailer suspension works? I tried to crawl under the one at the Victory Museum but the spacing was so tight I still could not figure out how it was set up!
Mike
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Posted: Friday, October 04, 2013 - 04:51 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Plus, I'm having more fun scratchbuilding it, using my real one as a reference!
...and nothing beats first-hand informations
Thanks for the correct designation.H.P.
PzAufkl
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Posted: Thursday, October 10, 2013 - 11:34 PM UTC
Jon,
I hope you haven't yet finished your CCKW 352, as in the last picture you posted, it seems that the spare wheel carrier is mounted the wrong way round: The C-channel that the wheels are bolted to needs to face the cab; thus, the wheels are dished to the front, not the rear as in your build log shot.
Also, could you please describe how you made the new lateral clamps for the wheels and what you did for the ones in the center?
I hope you haven't yet finished your CCKW 352, as in the last picture you posted, it seems that the spare wheel carrier is mounted the wrong way round: The C-channel that the wheels are bolted to needs to face the cab; thus, the wheels are dished to the front, not the rear as in your build log shot.
Also, could you please describe how you made the new lateral clamps for the wheels and what you did for the ones in the center?
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Posted: Friday, October 11, 2013 - 12:05 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Jon,
I hope you haven't yet finished your CCKW 352, as in the last picture you posted, it seems that the spare wheel carrier is mounted the wrong way round: The C-channel that the wheels are bolted to needs to face the cab; thus, the wheels are dished to the front, not the rear as in your build log shot.
Also, could you please describe how you made the new lateral clamps for the wheels and what you did for the ones in the center?
The wheels aren't glued in yet, so I can fix that. As for the clamps, I pretty much just bent and shaped sheet styrene. I didn't realize there were additional clamps in the center and will fix that as well. I'm just going by what I've been able to see looking at pics on the internet. Unfortunately the only WWII Deuce we've got on Ft. Sill is my AFKWX. There are no CCKWs anywhere near here.
I've been focusing on the Sgt. York build lately, but will get back to the -352 shortly.
Jon
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Posted: Sunday, October 13, 2013 - 04:50 AM UTC
Jon,
The CCKW TM is online at archive.org/stream/TM9-801, and on p.409, the spares carriers are pictured. Note that there are two kinds of clamps, also on the one-wheel carrier: one is fixed, the other one folds down and has to be secured with a rod and nut in the up position. The fixed one does not have the indentation that securing rod would go into. So, on the carrier of Italeri's water tanker, not everything is correct either ...
Have fun!
Peter
The CCKW TM is online at archive.org/stream/TM9-801, and on p.409, the spares carriers are pictured. Note that there are two kinds of clamps, also on the one-wheel carrier: one is fixed, the other one folds down and has to be secured with a rod and nut in the up position. The fixed one does not have the indentation that securing rod would go into. So, on the carrier of Italeri's water tanker, not everything is correct either ...
Have fun!
Peter
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 01:10 AM UTC
Here is an example of a Deuce side wall respaced for a different arrangement of uprights.
I cut immediately behind the bracket that is attached to each upright. I used a jeweler's saw which has an extremely thin blade and makes a very clean, square cut.
Mike
I have been putting off doing a SWB Deuce for a awhile now. I think it is time.
I cut immediately behind the bracket that is attached to each upright. I used a jeweler's saw which has an extremely thin blade and makes a very clean, square cut.
Mike
I have been putting off doing a SWB Deuce for a awhile now. I think it is time.
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 01:18 AM UTC
Another example of the same respacing technique. This time something more similar to shortening the load box for the SWB. This time shortening the load box to make the ton and a half, 2-axle Chevy truck.
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 01:28 AM UTC
Jon, I hope this helps a little.
165thspc
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 04:27 AM UTC
Page in question from the Tech Manual:
I always thought the twin tire carrier just had one fixed vertical I-beam in the center! Wrong again!
I always thought the twin tire carrier just had one fixed vertical I-beam in the center! Wrong again!
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Posted: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 06:11 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Page in question from the Tech Manual:
I always thought the twin tire carrier just had one fixed vertical I-beam in the center! Wrong again!
Perfect, thank you!
This project is temporarily on hold since I'm working on a 40th birthday present for a buddy of mine, but I will be getting back to this after next weekend!
Thanks again!
Jon
165thspc
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Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 05:55 PM UTC
I am also working on a short wheelbase WWII deuce as built by International Harvester. The model is based on a modified Tamiya chassis plus an enclosed cab from the Italeri post war Russian Katuska - which was supposed to have been a license built copy of the IH assembled in Russia.
M4A1Sherman
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Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 07:40 PM UTC
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I am also working on a short wheelbase WWII deuce as built by International Harvester. The model is based on a modified Tamiya chassis plus an enclosed cab from the Italeri post war Russian Katuska - which was supposed to have been a license built copy of the IH assembled in Russia.
Hi, Mike! Re: Your International- The US NAVY used these, too. That means: Another "Haze Gray" 6-by... Just thought I'd run that by you...
165thspc
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Posted: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 11:23 PM UTC
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Hi, Mike! Re: Your International- The US NAVY used these, too. That means: Another "Haze Gray" 6-by... Just thought I'd run that by you...[/quote]
Thanks to you that is the plan!
Hi, Mike! Re: Your International- The US NAVY used these, too. That means: Another "Haze Gray" 6-by... Just thought I'd run that by you...[/quote]
Thanks to you that is the plan!
165thspc
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Posted: Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 05:54 AM UTC
International Harvester IH-5-6 Short Wheelbase Deuce and a Half.
165thspc
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Posted: Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 05:56 AM UTC
Here is how International handled the twin spare tires on the SWB IH-5-6.
Also note the rear suspension: a short, stiff leaf spring on two spring towers connected to a solid walking beam assembly that carried the twin axles.
TOTALLY Different than the GMC! Sorry but the GM unit seems to make more sense and offer a better ride with the Mack spring system making the most sense of all.
The IH set-up must have bounced around like a cat on a hot tin roof!
Also note the rear suspension: a short, stiff leaf spring on two spring towers connected to a solid walking beam assembly that carried the twin axles.
TOTALLY Different than the GMC! Sorry but the GM unit seems to make more sense and offer a better ride with the Mack spring system making the most sense of all.
The IH set-up must have bounced around like a cat on a hot tin roof!
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