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Posted: Thursday, June 25, 2015 - 06:23 PM UTC
[quote
Also, is the ITALERI "Katyusha" a "Sovietized" 2.5 ton 6x6 International?[/quote]

I think the front grill is different. I have asked myself that same question many times. Indeed I have thought; could I westernize the "Katyusha" into an International Deuce for the Marines?

As yet have not found all the exact answers.

This is as far as I have ever gotten with that experiment:


Halfway through I discovered that the International cab sits about 5" higher and the hood has more of a sloped rake to it. I have considering starting again or trying to break this one apart to make the necessary corrections but right now, sorry to say, it is a half built shelf queen.
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Based on drawings linked below (assuming the drawings I found are close to correct and I am not too far off adjusting the scales to match) and study of photographs. I do not think the cab sits higher. It appears to me that the front of the nose is lower on the Soviet truck. Also the International appears to be longer.


https://gallery.kitmaker.net/data/500/Image910.jpg

International truck drawing from: http://www.o5m6.de/ihc_m_5_6-318.html

Soviet truck drawing from: http://militaryhistory.x10.mx/articles/Russian%20artillery%20-%20From%20Katyusha%20to%20Smerch%20by%20Sakhal.php
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 02:50 AM UTC
Italeri BM-13 Katyusha kit is based on a ZiL-151/ZiS-151 truck :



Full size

This truck was strongly "inspired" by US trucks indeed :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZiS-151

Just check out the cab of the IHC K7 :

http://www.o5m6.de/ihc_k7.html

The similarity is even greater with the ZiL-150 :



...But I'm digressing

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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 03:17 AM UTC
This guy is a Soviet-built International KB6!
The flat fendered truck is a post-war variant.


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Italeri BM-13 Katyusha kit is based on a ZiL-151/ZiS-151 truck :



Full size

This truck was strongly "inspired" by US trucks indeed :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZiS-151

Just check out the cab of the IHC K7 :

http://www.o5m6.de/ihc_k7.html

The similarity is even greater with the ZiL-150 :



...But I'm digressing

H.P.
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 03:25 AM UTC
It seems like you're trying to replicate the International M5H-6. Unfortunately, these trucks all differed from the Zil, by having different hoods with significant slopes, and hood sides. All appear to have been all rag-tops too.

The K6 series was more like 1.5-2 ton in capacity.


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[quote
Also, is the ITALERI "Katyusha" a "Sovietized" 2.5 ton 6x6 International?


I think the front grill is different. I have asked myself that same question many times. Indeed I have thought; could I westernize the "Katyusha" into an International Deuce for the Marines?

As yet have not found all the exact answers.

This is as far as I have ever gotten with that experiment:


Halfway through I discovered that the International cab sits about 5" higher and the hood has more of a sloped rake to it. I have considering starting again or trying to break this one apart to make the necessary corrections but right now, sorry to say, it is a half built shelf queen.[/quote]
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 03:27 AM UTC

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The flat fendered truck is a post-war variant.


I've never said it was a WW2 one...

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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 04:55 AM UTC
To some of you out there I feel I should apologize for showing that old photo of one of my "Shelf Queens" yet AGAIN, and for that I do apologize, but Boy, this time it certainly generated a wealth of reference!

Thank you Evan and Henri for your GREAT contributions!
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 08:20 AM UTC
Some 40's era Internationals from my travels around Central Kentucky:


Four Ton Freight Truck; Rockcastle County, Kentucky


Pickup Truck; Powell County, Kentucky


Well Drilling Rig; Powell County, Kentucky
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The International K/KB series is one of my favorites! I love the well driller rig!

Here's a civilian tractor project of mine that's currently stalled. A conversion of the Trumpeter Zil-151. I haven't been able to get the fenders right, so I'm stumped.



Here's the real thing:
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 10:53 AM UTC
The IHC M-5H-6 has a soft cab indeed :



but the M-5-6 has a closed cab :



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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 12:07 PM UTC

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The International K/KB series is one of my favorites!
Here's a civilian tractor project of mine that's currently stalled. A conversion of the Trumpeter Zil-151. I haven't been able to get the fenders right, so I'm stumped.

Here's the real thing:


the ridge on the fenders look very similar to the V3000? as here

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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 04:33 PM UTC
WAY OFF TOPIC but hey, it's only electrons!

Evan here is one more of the drilling rig and the 4 ton International:


Forties International but the owner says the drilling rig dates from the turn of the century. Look at all the wooden shives and pulleys! Powell County, Kentucky.


Chevy COE, Mercer County, Kentucky.



Classic Dodge, Powell County, Kentucky.

Very Classy Streamlined Dodge, Auburn, Indiana.




One of my favorites: Owner says he built it from a Civilian Dodge Hood, Military Dodge Cab, M-10? Trailer Body, Front Cowl - Origin Unknown, Front Grill Screen from a barn stall door and all of it running on a Toyota 4x4 Truck Chassis.
City of Irvine, Estill County, Kentucky.


Forties International. Rockcastle County, Kentucky

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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 04:54 PM UTC
Hey we don't just rust 'em in Kentucky. We restore 'em too!


1941 Dodge Market Wagon and pre-war Dodge VC-1 Command Car. Lexington, Kentucky


Pre-war VC-1 Dodge Command Car, Lexington, Kentucky


'43 Ford Jeep, Versailles, Kentucky.

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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 05:28 PM UTC

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The International K/KB series is one of my favorites!
Here's a civilian tractor project of mine that's currently stalled. A conversion of the Trumpeter Zil-151. I haven't been able to get the fenders right, so I'm stumped.

Here's the real thing:


the ridge on the fenders look very similar to the V3000? as here

Armorama Review


Evan, Jon does have a point here!

Perhaps start with the V3000 fenders, lay a bead of Evergreen plastic rod down the center of the fender and then use body putty to fill in and sculpt the distinctive International "ridge" into the top of the fender.

Mike
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 05:48 PM UTC
One more for Evan:


International KB-10 at the Mack Truck Museum, Auburn, Indiana - - Mike Koenig Photo
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Posted: Saturday, June 27, 2015 - 05:51 PM UTC
OK, I'm done - now back to topic!
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Found these on the GMC CCKW web site thought sme one might find them interesting.

No info on the 1 1/2 ton.
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A lot of variety there. I can't get over the 1 1/2 ton Chevy soft cab. Never knew they did a 2 axle soft top!
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Posted: Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 04:15 PM UTC

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The International K/KB series is one of my favorites!
Here's a civilian tractor project of mine that's currently stalled. A conversion of the Trumpeter Zil-151. I haven't been able to get the fenders right, so I'm stumped.

Here's the real thing:


the ridge on the fenders look very similar to the V3000? as here

Armorama Review

Evan, Jon does have a point here!
Perhaps start with the V3000 fenders, lay a bead of Evergreen plastic rod down the center of the fender and then use body putty to fill in and sculpt the distinctive International "ridge" into the top of the fender.
Mike


Azimut do a FORD V8 3 tons 1940 (BRITISH PATTERN) conversion,

from Azimut's website: Ford V8 good luck with ordering from the website, but theres' always Telford!
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Posted: Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 06:40 PM UTC

Very nice 1 1/2 ton semi-tractor with 4 ton trailer.
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Posted: Sunday, June 28, 2015 - 06:42 PM UTC
4th Armored restoration - Shepherdsville, Kentucky


F.Y.I. - It had been a dark and stormy night!




Sunnier days! At reenactment event; Secret City, TN.

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