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Black Label M103A1 build
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Posted: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - 12:53 PM UTC

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yay! Dragon is airmailing me a replacement fender! Even better, they sent me a tracking number 21 minutes after they first told me they'd replace it. Very impressive



Wow, that is impressive customer service! I wonder do they send out that part or the sprew that contains it. I wouldn't want that job of removing all the requested parts from 1000s of random kits


Hopefully I'll know real soon!
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Posted: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 - 02:52 PM UTC

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Hi John,
That's the very one I sent him photos of. It's a beast, isn't it? (I thought it's an A2 though)
I also have the ones at Ft. Lewis and Camp Shelby.



Rob,
It is indeed a M103A1. Unfortunately, the suspension has collapsed some over the years. I have some shots of it but need to get more, focusing on the details. The 45th ID Museum does possess a nice collection of Cold War Armor,

John
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Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 - 02:13 PM UTC

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Paul,
If you would like more shots of the first M103A1, it is in Oklahoma City at the 45th ID Museum, where we do our AMPS meetings... I guess that I could take a couple more pics for you, if you would like and bring them to AMPS in April...

John



Well, I'd love more pics of the 103A1, buddy, but I'm afraid I won't be at the show this year. I have another convention the same weekend and seeing as I'm co-chair of that one, I can't really not go.
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Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 - 02:15 PM UTC
And for those looking to replicate the surface texture, here are some photos of a 103A2 that has faded to a light colour allowing you to see not only the sight bulge, but also the ground off pour plug under the nose of the hull.

Nice shots of some details.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47209/thread/1392516580/M103+at+Anniston%2C+AL%2C+VFW

Paul
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 04:40 AM UTC
BTW, for those looking for US Heavy Tank reference info, there is a copy of Hunnicutt's Firepower available in the UK at Blackwell's bookshop for $65

Do a search for Hunnicutt and Firepower on Bookfinder.com. I have bought from Blackwell's from Canada before and they are a good e-shop. Shipped quickly and inexpensively.

The other ones available area all in the $200+ range, so don't miss it if you want this Hunnicutt.

Paul
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 05:28 AM UTC

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And for those looking to replicate the surface texture, here are some photos of a 103A2 that has faded to a light colour allowing you to see not only the sight bulge, but also the ground off pour plug under the nose of the hull.

Nice shots of some details.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47209/thread/1392516580/M103+at+Anniston%2C+AL%2C+VFW

Paul



Thanks for that- great pics. Dragon's texture is more subtle than that. Now I am wondering if they missed some casting numbers as well
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 05:46 AM UTC
My guess would be yes, they missed quite a few.
The two areas on the turret top are too obvious (I hope) to miss.
The ones I'd like to see are:
On top of and underneath the mantlet collar
Range finding blisters
Almost ALL of the suspension components
Cast antenna housing
Air filter intake castings
Side of louvered panels on the rear hull
Top engine louver covers
Co-ax MG housing

Since you have the kit, does if have any of those?
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 05:52 AM UTC

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My guess would be yes, they missed quite a few.
The two areas on the turret top are too obvious (I hope) to miss.
The ones I'd like to see are:
On top of and underneath the mantlet collar
Range finding blisters
Almost ALL of the suspension components
Cast antenna housing
Air filter intake castings
Side of louvered panels on the rear hull
Top engine louver covers
Co-ax MG housing

Since you have the kit, does if have any of those?


I'll check when I get home from work and let you know
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 06:16 AM UTC
Just got mine. No warps that I can see but there is a small missing piece of the right rear fender. Small triangle of plastic missing from the bottom of the fender. I can correct it with some sheet plastic and sanding, no big problem with that, or some fender damage. What really shocked me was the mount of flash on the tracks. Huge and will be tedious to get off. Has anyone else seen this?If not I will contact Dragon or look at aftermarket tracks.
Dave
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 06:28 AM UTC

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Just got mine. No warps that I can see but there is a small missing piece of the right rear fender. Small triangle of plastic missing from the bottom of the fender. I can correct it with some sheet plastic and sanding, no big problem with that, or some fender damage. What really shocked me was the mount of flash on the tracks. Huge and will be tedious to get off. Has anyone else seen this?If not I will contact Dragon or look at aftermarket tracks.
Dave


My tracks did not have any flash at all. By missing piece on the fender, do you mean Dragon just didn't add it or it was actually missing from your kit? I am not sure I know what piece you mean
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 06:49 AM UTC
Jason
It is a missing from the mould process. I have pictures but cannot figure out how to get them from my iPad to this site. Will keep trying
Cheers
Dave
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 07:27 AM UTC
got your PM. I'll post your pics as soon as I get them
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 12:31 PM UTC
Sadly there isn't ANY cast marks ANYWHERE. Not even the obvious one on the top of the turret. Guess I will be piecing together what I can from pics and the Archer generic set.

Dave- check your PMs for my email address
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 01:02 PM UTC
That's unsat. I could see laving off the ones in my photos below. But the ones on the turret and underneath the bow of the hull? These days that's the difference between a mediocre it and a great one.
The increased tooling costs to add at least some cast numbers would be negligible compared to that of tooling the whole kit...












I haven't even included all of the less noticeable ones. Is there at least good weld detail on the kit?
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 01:19 PM UTC
Detail is OK. The lifting handles are just basic trapezoids. No hinges. stowage box handles are just bumps. The antenna on the rear of the turret is too close to the ventilator. The stowage basket mounts too close to the bottom of the turret as do the side handles on the turret. casting texture is OK...a bit uniform and understated but not to bad. Hatch springs on loader hatch are simplified and could use replacing with actual springs or coiled wire. Engine deck grills are simple looking (similar in molding to dragons old M46 deck) Turret range blisters seem a little simplified. There is a rectangular plate on the turret in front of the TC hatch. It has the scalloped edges but lacks the bolts that should be there. In summary, to me it seems like a base model car at loaded car prices.
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 01:26 PM UTC
in other words, it needs a Voyager PE set (I say Voyager because they usually give you stuff in addition to PE, such as springs, antennas, etc.) and an Archer Casting Symbols sheet to make a nice detailed build.
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 01:33 PM UTC

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BTW, for those looking for US Heavy Tank reference info, there is a copy of Hunnicutt's Firepower available in the UK at Blackwell's bookshop for $65

Do a search for Hunnicutt and Firepower on Bookfinder.com. I have bought from Blackwell's from Canada before and they are a good e-shop. Shipped quickly and inexpensively.

The other ones available area all in the $200+ range, so don't miss it if you want this Hunnicutt.

Paul


I also made a PDF of the manual with all the illustrations extracted from it. You can purchase it for $2.00 here:
https://apps.facebook.com/selzapp/item/52e44dc6a1416c15184fddeb
Michael Kalbfleisch
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 02:06 PM UTC
Oh cool, thanks!

The more I look at the turret, the more I notice various things are in the wrong place or are not shaped right. The area in front of the loaders periscope should slope more gradually and should be a little bigger. The little dome to the left of the TC hatch is too small and in the wrong area. I am going to post a pic in a minute
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 02:24 PM UTC

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and an Archer Casting Symbols sheet to make a nice detailed build.



The wheels are in motion...
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 02:28 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 02:29 PM UTC

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and an Archer Casting Symbols sheet to make a nice detailed build.



The wheels are in motion...



Nice. I was just going to send them a suggestion email
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 02:31 PM UTC
well, that text came out much smaller than it looked when I did it...sorry
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 02:32 PM UTC
You can zoom in here
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee502/jwest2100/missing_zpsc4554042.jpg
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 02:50 PM UTC
Dave Goddard's pics




I'll let him explain
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 - 09:59 PM UTC
Hey guys,

I've been following this thread with interest, as my kit is on the way from HK. Jason, thanks for the picture with corrections, and Robert, thanks for the presumably upcoming detail set

Cheers,

Olaf