Gib-
I PM'd you my email info.
If it didn't go through, let me know and I'll resend to you.

Peacemaker: Yes, I got your PM. Sorry I was unable to reply. I'll send you the files ASAP. A bit busy and having some technical difficulties.

Tread: I don't think so in all honesty. Much work to be done for the Kings. Expect them at Winter 2004. I also don't have an airbrush. Decided to spend my money on a dual-suspension mountain bike. Expect nothing from me during April onwards to November of this year. Busy busy busy. Sorry.

I've still gotta sit down and come up with with a Clancy-esque story, but I've got a couple of pics for those interested.
The basic premise is a North Korean checkpoint with a BRDM-2 parked outside taking a break from recon with U.S. forces rolling up in a HMMWV, doing recon of their own, and discover the checkpoint.
There's still lots of work to be done...construct figures, decal/weather/wash vehicles, and add grass/bushes/trees,etc to the groundwork already laid down, mess with the cave entrance and groundwork around the checkpoint some more.
This is first time putting up an image, so we'll see if this works.

Peacemaker & REMF11M: Sent both of you an email. I know, long delayed hehe.

Hi guys, first time poster here (ie please be nice to the n00b :-) )

I actually came to armorama today cos I was looking at getting back into armour for the first time in 15+ years and then I found this............

You see, I spend (too) much time over at http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum/" TARGET="_blank">whatifmodelers.com.......and I've been thinking of doing a WW3 scenario for a couple of years. Looks like I just found myself one!

So what I'm thinking is a diorama of South Korean F-4D taxying past an RAF Tornado GR1 (in artic camoflage). Oh, and using the 1/32 kits from Tamiya and Revell #:-) Now I just need to find myself that cutting edge F-4D decal sheet with the S Korean option on it......

Now I don't now how the RAF got into the war in S Korea, but I'm sure someone nice will tell me!

Welcome to both Armorama and the T2K Campaign - the best of the best!

In the "real" world of Twilight: 2000 it would be appropriate to model the scenario you'd like to - the US and British were/are fast allies throughout the conflict and aftermath. You could model the RAF at a forward US Base in South Korea, heck, even model the RAF at US Bases in New Mexico - where it isn't unusual to see joint training going on today...

Gunnie

Redwing: Welcome to the Madness that is Twilight 2000. #:-) As per your query, you can say the RAF came in from Australia in a training exercise with the RAAF or even from the bases in the Mid-East (through Australia or Singapore) when the UN SC issued a resolution condemning the invasion of SoKor and creating a US-led UN force to help SoKor in the war.

BTW, gimme your email and I'll send to you ASAP the main storyframe.

Thanks for the welcome guys

I've also got a Revell Hunter in the stash with some Aeromaster decals for the Omani airforce in the 90s with a cool wraparound 2-tone grey finish. I wonder where Oman fits into the war in Arabia..............

Re: Oman, I just consulted with a map and did some research, and the BLUFOR in the ME (aside from Egypt, Israel and Jordan) would be Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the UAE, and Oman. So, Operation Gate Keeper would've involved the withdrawal of all US and UK forces to Kuwait, UAE, Qatar and Oman. Oman is a sizeable country, and after looking at an online map (don't have my atlas right now), it seems there's no sizeable highway linking Oman and Saudi Arabia directly. Hence, if ever the Saudis invade Oman with the intention of taking the capital Muscat, they'll have to take the UAE first. Be advised the Saudis in the story are committed fully to the war in Israel and Jordan, leaving a smaller part of their overall force (maybe a third) to wage war against the UAE, Kuwait, Oman, and Qatar - four whole countries.

And there's Yemen to think of. Yemen AFAICR would be with the same side as Iran. I think it would be proper if Yemen invade Oman towards the port of Port Salalah - that would split Omani forces into two - one protecting Muskat or the UAE, the other hard-pressed down south against Yemen. That would also make sense as - according to Global Security - Oman has a naval base at Salalah, and is a leading container port. (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/salalah.htm).

The main effort by the Saudis at the Persian Gulf would be against Kuwait (with Iraq and Iran ground forces cooperating) and the UAE (Iran ground forces cooperating by way of amphibious assault, along witht their navy, with Iran's forces targetting Jebel Ali), Qatar and Bahrain being attacked by aircraft and ballistic missiles, but no ground forces assigned against them. Yemen, meanwhile, would concentrate against Oman towards Salalah.

What do you guys think? :-)

I figured Oman would be on the blue side of things, and being attacked by Yemen makes sense

Some questions to ask though.

If (when) I need info about armed forces/equipment/colour schemes etc am I best posting it here or going to the individual relevant sub-forums?

Where do I post images of my in-progress and completed shots?

Where's all the stuff from the 2k3 campaign? I go to the campaigns section and I find no 2k3 or 2k4 option #:-) #:-)

I remembered yesterday that I've got a 1/72 KA-52 that I did in Iranian markings. I did 90% of it then gave up for various reasons - I think its about time I pulled it out and finished it off!

Dug this one out the to finish up for T2K '04



there's a Contact maint. trailer too:

Hi

Just a couple of pics showing the progress on my USMC M1A1 CEV. I never got to finish it for T2K, so hopefully I will get it finished for T2K2004. It started out life as an ESCI M1A1, the turret had to be moved ±5mm to the right, and that was just the start.




Tx

The first of what I hope will be many projects for the T2K 2004 that I will be able to finish. This is the uparmored LAV. I call it a LAV-CSV (Convoy Security Vehicle) of the Texas Brigade.

I really like this set up Matt. Can't wait to see it all painted up and ready for action

I am very impressed with the conversion and build of the M1A1 CEV. This will be a great looking example when finished. Bravo.

Wow, thats some serious modelling talent we got going on there

Anyways, GIB, I got your documents and read them through, very impressive.

I don't recall them being mentioned, but where do Greece & Turkey fit into this? I don't recall them being mentioned. IIRC Turkey fought in the 1st Korean war, maybe they go to defend S Korea again? And I would imagine they would be in the Egypt/Israel/Jordan alliance, they have pretty close military ties with Israel these days. Perhaps Greece could use their involvement in that war to try and reclaim the Turkish half of Cyprus? Maybe even an invasion of mainland Turkey itself?

The reason I bring them up is that I've got an RF-4E that is practically *begging* me to do it in Greek markings

Howdy animal,

Just got a gander of your LAV/CSV.......absolutely superb! You really set the bar for this T2K stuff. Your modeling talents combined with your scratchbuilding skills make you a 'natural'. :-) The Lone Star / Red Star crew is proud to have you 'running' with us! That LAV/CSV will fit right in on those long lonesome runs across the barren wastelands of the 'Hell' that used to be called Texas!

to RedWingNev: Don't tell me your model kit's are talking to you again? You've got to stop listening to all those voices in your head. #:-)

Tread.

What, they don't talk to you?

Ah... hehehe I was thinking of "TW2K:05 AFSOUTH, AFNORTH, Atlantic and The Gulf of Mexico." :-) I was thinking, TW2K:05 will cover the war in Europe, this time focusing on the northern and southern flanks of NATO, the Battle of the Atlantic, and the Gulf of Mexico. :-) hehehehe Builds for these done for this year would form the basis for next year's Twilight 2000 campaign hehehehe. Hmmm... I'm thinking of Cyprus being stormed by Soviet paratroopers. I seem to recall northern Cyprus (or was it southern Cyprus???) purchased an S-300 or S-400 battery or batteries. If the Soviets landed there, took over the batteries, they effectively have an air denial zone in the Med. Hehehehehe





Hmmm... good point. I wonder though if how much they could bring. The war in Europe occured 2 weeks after that in Korea started. So... would Turkey and the other allies have been able to mobilize a brigade or such each and delivered or on its way to Korea during those 2 weeks?




This could be for TW2K:05, the aftermath of the nuclear exchange, leaving AFSOUTH decimated, and the Turks and Greeks (since NATO at the time would be devastated) would fight it out. Interesting... :-) Thanks for the ideas RedwingNev!

Savage: Oooooh! Me likes that one! Me likes to sees your Abrams CEV done! Me likes! Me likes! Me likes!

Tread: I second Redwing's query - they don't talk to you?!? Why, mine ALWAYS talk to me! They make little whispers in the night when I sleep, giving me a sense of great comfort and security. It brings me great distress if they're quiet - which means mum has come and fixed up the room. Yes, yes, my precioussssssssssssssss talks to me alwaysssssss...

since my last pictures, ive made very little progress on the super centurion, but im looking for a name, does anyone speak hebrew?

once ive finished that i think im going to make some kind of tank destroyer made from a modified CVRt chassis, and a challenger 2 with wading gear etc used by the royal marines, as part of the landings in korea

cheers

joe

Howdy greatbrit,

I like the Chally 2 idea. Adds more fuel to the proverbial fire!

Tread.

GIB, I'm glad to see that you have plans in place to continue the T2K build into next year (and the next...?) cos I have *a lot* of ideas!

Anyway, re: Greece & Turkey. As a member of NATO Turkey controls Russia's entry into the Mediterranean through the Bosphorus, so an attack by the Soviets south to neutralize Turkey & give them free passage into the med would make sense. I think Turkey would have been at least been able to send some fighters to Korea along with some air-mobile brigades of light infantry. Meanwhile Greece watches them send troops abroad then get mauled by the Russians & the Syria/Iran/Iraq alliance before stepping in to pick up the pieces.

And how about an expansionist Indonesia? They could be part of the Russia/N Korea alliance and attack Malaysia/Singapore/Australia

GIB, the Greek Cypriot government bought some SA-10s in 1997 to deter overflights of Turkish planes, so I could see them stabbing Turkey in the back after the Russians have done the hard yards against them.

As for Indonesia, I've been thinking more (and studying the Atlas). How about they kick the malaysians out of Borneo and take the oilfields of Brunei before turning on the Aussies who have already sent forces to Korea? Basically, we need to figure out a way of starting a war in Oz so we can have some cool looking dioramas set in the aussie red desert!

RedWing: Great ideas! :-) Keep 'em coming!

Re:Greece and Turkey, I foresee both putting their differences aside when the USSR starts invading Europe. However, once the nukes start exploding and NATO and the USSR disintegrate, then THAT'S where old rivalries come out since people are desperate to gain control. So, during the conventional war, Greece and Turkey are firmly allies, but once that's done, they - or whatever is left of them - will be going at each other's throats again.

As for the ME's role in the conventional war in Europe, Syria, Iraq and Iran would be hands-off. They're not interested in waging a war and would rather sit idly and watch Europe, the USSR and the USA blast each other to smithereens. The Soviets would try to force a breakthrough at the Bosporus, but I see them mauled by small missile armed corvettes of Turkey and Greece. Perhaps, a Yugoslavian offensive into northern Greece, with Russian amphibious units at the Crimea landing on Turkey's Black Sea shore, airborne units landing at the Greek-side of Cyprus capturing the SA-10 missile battery, and wave upon wave of Blackjacks launching cruise missiles at Ankara, Athens and other AFSOUTH bases. But I agree that the Greek Cypriots would "welcome" the Soviet paratroops (so much so that Cyprus will be Russian held in a few days).

As for SE Asia, I haven't really thought about it (an embarrassment, considering I live in the region hehehehe). Indonesia imploding and becoming a threat in the region would make sense, but her military will be pretty weak, so they'll be conducting lots of unconventional warfare from raids to terrorist strikes at Darwin, Singapore, Jakarta and Manila. OTOH, we can have the SE Asian region (including Australia) as allies, ASEAN becoming SEATO reincarnated, to face the threat from China which is expanding towards Siberia and Alaska (both events after the nuke exchange).

If war be the path in SE Asia (don't you just love the feeling of "Determining the Future"? #:-) ), then the most Indonesia can do AFAICS is launch terrorist strikes at the region, including Australia (Darwin comes to mind). They do not have the assets to successfully wage a serious war beyond their borders IMO. Malaysia would be a more successful enterprise, being more modern. Perhaps a renewed effort to regain Singapore? And maybe even further contribute to the insurgency at Mindanao? Meanwhile, Thailand would have problems with Cambodia and Burma, while Vietnam looks with much concern towards her big northern border and starts laying lots of mines on the Sino-Vietnamese border hehehehehe

change of plan,

as im not allowed to buy any more kits, im gonna turn my old tamiya cheiftan into a cheiftan AVRE. huge gun barrels galore!

maybe add some blazer armour like the centurion avre!

cheers

joe