This has been a real kit bash. I have used scrap PE fret as well as scavenged parts off a King Tiger, Panther, PZIII, a Sherman M4A3 and even an Israeli Sho't Kal. Additional stowage will be added once the paint work is done.
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McRunty
#491
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Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 - 09:37 AM UTC
I think I am about done with the build of this kit. Now its time to throw on some paint. Of course it's the painting where I tend to let myself down since painting and weathering are not my strong suits. I far prefer building kits than painting them.
This has been a real kit bash. I have used scrap PE fret as well as scavenged parts off a King Tiger, Panther, PZIII, a Sherman M4A3 and even an Israeli Sho't Kal. Additional stowage will be added once the paint work is done.
This has been a real kit bash. I have used scrap PE fret as well as scavenged parts off a King Tiger, Panther, PZIII, a Sherman M4A3 and even an Israeli Sho't Kal. Additional stowage will be added once the paint work is done.
GazzaS
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Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 - 10:55 AM UTC
I like it!
RobinNilsson
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Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 - 02:15 PM UTC
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I think I am about done with the build of this kit. Now its time to throw on some paint. Of course it's the painting where I tend to let myself down since painting and weathering are not my strong suits. I far prefer building kits than painting them.
This has been a real kit bash. I have used scrap PE fret as well as scavenged parts off a King Tiger, Panther, PZIII, a Sherman M4A3 and even an Israeli Sho't Kal. Additional stowage will be added once the paint work is done.
Before you start painting:
1. Check that the right hand side "engine room" hatch is positioned correctly. In the photo it seems as if there is a gap between the hinge ad the vehicle side.
2. The rear lights are shining slightly upwards. The "lense" side where the light comes out shall be vertical. Shining a beacon up towards the sky is usually not a good idea
There seems to be some molding flash on the edges of the hinges for those hatches but it could be the photos tricking my eyes.
/ Robin
petbat
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Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 - 02:32 PM UTC
Hi Rory, nice work.
In addition to Robin's advice, there might be some flash on the armoured exhaust pipe covers.
I should also mention the flap on the rear Notek is back to front as the hole for the red light to shine through in daytime should be on the right side
and it is actually attached via a rectangular a metal bracket higher on the fender, as is the smaller round light when it was actually fitted. A mixed bag of pics of vehicles to give you the idea
In addition to Robin's advice, there might be some flash on the armoured exhaust pipe covers.
I should also mention the flap on the rear Notek is back to front as the hole for the red light to shine through in daytime should be on the right side
and it is actually attached via a rectangular a metal bracket higher on the fender, as is the smaller round light when it was actually fitted. A mixed bag of pics of vehicles to give you the idea
petbat
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Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 - 02:55 PM UTC
Something a little different - Captured SdKfz 222 used by No2 Armoured Car Company RAF in the western desert... not exactly sure of the time line, but Libya sometime 1941-1942
McRunty
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Posted: Friday, November 24, 2017 - 09:17 PM UTC
Corrections have been made 
justsendit
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Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 02:02 AM UTC
@ Peter, Is that a spare suspention coil strapped to the upper hull in image No. 6? — Could be an interesting stowage add-on.
—mike
—mike
petbat
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Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 03:57 AM UTC
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@ Peter, Is that a spare suspention coil strapped to the upper hull in image No. 6? — Could be an interesting stowage add-on.
—mike
Have a look closely at the long rod stowed near the rear wheel. My guess they are all parts of a disassembled Pogo Stick. They should have patented the idea back then...
Geoboffin
Joined: March 05, 2016
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Posted: Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 05:18 PM UTC
Thanks to confusion with Mrs geoboffin's iCloud account I no longer have the customary starting photo from last Saturday, but thanks to Tamiya's shake'n'bake qualities here is the build of my Matilda before painting starts. Given how little track will be visible I decided to use the rubber band tracks for ease.
GazzaS
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Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 - 06:57 AM UTC
Richard,
We'll live without the photo. I'm glad to see you've got the old Matildar together.
Looking forward to seeing he painted.
Gaz
We'll live without the photo. I'm glad to see you've got the old Matildar together.
Looking forward to seeing he painted.
Gaz
petbat
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Posted: Sunday, November 26, 2017 - 02:50 PM UTC
Wow fast build. Looks great too Richard
GazzaS
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Posted: Monday, November 27, 2017 - 01:13 PM UTC
Hi Guys,
I have a question about the hair spray technique. I just bought some at the store for this build and I really don't know how much to apply over the basecoat.
Do I Dust it?
Mist it?
Make it visibly wet?
Douse it?
Make it look like a jelly donut?
I don't have a clue.
Waddya say?
Thanks!
Gaz
I have a question about the hair spray technique. I just bought some at the store for this build and I really don't know how much to apply over the basecoat.
Do I Dust it?
Mist it?
Make it visibly wet?
Douse it?
Make it look like a jelly donut?
I don't have a clue.
Waddya say?
Thanks!
Gaz
spacewolfdad
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Posted: Monday, November 27, 2017 - 03:17 PM UTC
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Hi Guys,
I have a question about the hair spray technique. I just bought some at the store for this build and I really don't know how much to apply over the basecoat.
Do I Dust it?
Mist it?
Make it visibly wet?
Douse it?
Make it look like a jelly donut?
I don't have a clue.
Waddya say?
Thanks!
Gaz
Hello Gaz,
I have used the technique several times and I have found that two coats with the airbrush will give you good results. You need to decant the hairspray into a small jar and use that in your airbrush, the amount you spray depends on how much chipping you want to do, I usually spray enough to make the surface look damp, when it is dry I then spray the top coat. You need to do this as soon as it is dry or it doesn't work too well, also you need to begin chipping after the paint is dry so the technique works well. Using what tools you find work, I use old paintbrushes cut down and cocktail sticks mainly, do small areas at a time and work your way around the model and the job should be 'a good 'un'.
Here's one I did earlier
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Don't forget to varnish the model when you have finished the chipping so it seals the surface.
Hope this helps.
All the best,
Paul
JoeOsborne
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Posted: Monday, November 27, 2017 - 05:47 PM UTC
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@Gaz,
If you've never done this before I would strongly recommend this video. It's of the master weatherer, Michael Rinaldi,doing a demo of the hair spray technique this May for modelers in Toronto. Ther are many variations of this method as people have added their own twists(including myself from a method used in Rinaldi's SM 02 book..), but for the first time out I'd recommend this approach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCHVn47E6LA
Quoted Text
Hi Guys,
I have a question about the hair spray technique. I just bought some at the store for this build and I really don't know how much to apply over the basecoat.
Do I Dust it?
Mist it?
Make it visibly wet?
Douse it?
Make it look like a jelly donut?
I don't have a clue.
Waddya say?
Thanks!
Gaz
@Gaz,
If you've never done this before I would strongly recommend this video. It's of the master weatherer, Michael Rinaldi,doing a demo of the hair spray technique this May for modelers in Toronto. Ther are many variations of this method as people have added their own twists(including myself from a method used in Rinaldi's SM 02 book..), but for the first time out I'd recommend this approach.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCHVn47E6LA
Chaman911
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Posted: Monday, November 27, 2017 - 08:29 PM UTC
Gaz, I am attaching a link you will want to check out. I subscribe to this guy on YouTube and really like his videos. They are long but very informative. The link is to a drug he does hairspray chipping on and he really covers everything. I have also read that Tamiya paints provide the best chipping effect.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D5uzJULC62w&feature=em-subs_digest
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D5uzJULC62w&feature=em-subs_digest
McRunty
#491
Joined: April 06, 2016
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Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 12:32 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Guys,
I have a question about the hair spray technique. I just bought some at the store for this build and I really don't know how much to apply over the basecoat.
Do I Dust it?
Mist it?
Make it visibly wet?
Douse it?
Make it look like a jelly donut?
I don't have a clue.
Waddya say?
Thanks!
Gaz
My advice would be to practice practice practice using an old model or even something from the spares box. Its very easy to overdo the effect.
My experience also shows you need to let the hairspray dry properly and then mist on several light coats of the top color, letting them dry between coats or your paint just cracks.
This was my attempt on a cheap Tamiya PzII.
I got it mostly right but there are several areas that are over done. I ended up stripping and redoing it...several times....but don't have a picture of the end result.
petbat
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Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 12:41 AM UTC
and when you get to the stage where you think it just needs a little more, IT DOESN'T. Better to leave it subtle than risk overdoing it.
I suggest you talk to Dan (The Guru) on Saturday. He is quite adept at the technique
I suggest you talk to Dan (The Guru) on Saturday. He is quite adept at the technique
justsendit
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Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 01:12 AM UTC
Joe, and Bryan, Thanks for sharing the videos!
One thing I'd like to add that I swear by (other than swearing), especially during the chipping process: I've noticed that the distance from my eyeglasses to model seems to decrease — like a drunk nursing a drink. Now is the time to take a break, and that's when I simply walk away. I return later to inspect my work with a fresher outlook. Another thing is, try not to make chipping look patterned like a Christmas sweater. Lastly, I keep notes on everything I do ... and that is why I'm here at my computer desk, and not at my workbench where I should be building something. Lol!
Happy modeling!🍺
—mike
One thing I'd like to add that I swear by (other than swearing), especially during the chipping process: I've noticed that the distance from my eyeglasses to model seems to decrease — like a drunk nursing a drink. Now is the time to take a break, and that's when I simply walk away. I return later to inspect my work with a fresher outlook. Another thing is, try not to make chipping look patterned like a Christmas sweater. Lastly, I keep notes on everything I do ... and that is why I'm here at my computer desk, and not at my workbench where I should be building something. Lol!
Happy modeling!🍺
—mike
GazzaS
#424
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Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 04:08 AM UTC
Guys,
Thank you very much for the advice! The pictures and video links you shared have really helped to increase my understanding of the process.
I've got a few older panzers that can be used as test dummies. In particular, I have the Wittman Stug that Never came off as I wanted that can be tested for a winter scheme.
Best Wishes,
Gaz
Thank you very much for the advice! The pictures and video links you shared have really helped to increase my understanding of the process.
I've got a few older panzers that can be used as test dummies. In particular, I have the Wittman Stug that Never came off as I wanted that can be tested for a winter scheme.
Best Wishes,
Gaz
ClaytonFromEllijay
#454
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Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 05:19 AM UTC
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Joe, and Bryan, Thanks for sharing the videos!
One thing I'd like to add that I swear by (other than swearing), especially during the chipping process: I've noticed that the distance from my eyeglasses to model seems to decrease — like a drunk nursing a drink. Now is the time to take a break, and that's when I simply walk away. I return later to inspect my work with a fresher outlook. Another thing is, try not to make chipping look patterned like a Christmas sweater. Lastly, I keep notes on everything I do ... and that is why I'm here at my computer desk, and not at my workbench where I should be building something. Lol!
Happy modeling!🍺
—mike
Wise words, well received! It's the little things folks seem to trip over...
McRunty
#491
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Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 09:02 AM UTC
Basecoat down and first round of weathering aka chipping complete.
Will go back over some areas and do some sponge chipping over the PE since rubbing at them just caused the shiny PE to show.
Will go back over some areas and do some sponge chipping over the PE since rubbing at them just caused the shiny PE to show.
GazzaS
#424
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Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 10:21 AM UTC
Rory,
That looks bada55! The chipping is awesome, too. I'm glad you left some overspray on the rubber.
When I went to Desert Storm, all the gear coming off the ship had overspray on the wheels.
Gaz
That looks bada55! The chipping is awesome, too. I'm glad you left some overspray on the rubber.
When I went to Desert Storm, all the gear coming off the ship had overspray on the wheels.
Gaz
justsendit
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Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 10:36 AM UTC
Rory,
Looks like you've got the hairspray technique down.
However, please allow me one small critique: Note that you've chipped away nearly every outside corner on the vehicle's hull and its storeage boxes. These are areas where I try to use a bit of restraint. It's an easy fix, just go back-and-forth over a few of those edges with your base color in order to breakup some (not all) of the more continuous lines. That said ... the fenders, wheels, and tires look really good.
Disclaimer: I am no expert, just a humble observer.
Cheers!🍺
—mike
Looks like you've got the hairspray technique down.
However, please allow me one small critique: Note that you've chipped away nearly every outside corner on the vehicle's hull and its storeage boxes. These are areas where I try to use a bit of restraint. It's an easy fix, just go back-and-forth over a few of those edges with your base color in order to breakup some (not all) of the more continuous lines. That said ... the fenders, wheels, and tires look really good.
Disclaimer: I am no expert, just a humble observer.
Cheers!🍺
—mike
petbat
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Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 01:05 PM UTC
Looking very nice Rory. Some other things you might want to consider:
Some heavier chipping at the top of the rear of the turret edge where the crew would place their Bada55's (touche Gaz) a lot of the time - check out the pics I posted. The continued polish by posterior would likely chip as much as anything.
Also the crew more often than not dismounted by swinging over the turret and walking down the rear and fenders, so their boots would scuff the grill and edges there. Why squeeze down beside the gun and worm around the gun mount, then duck walk to the side door when you can do it easier by swinging over the turret edge and walking off?
Same for the wheel arches where the sand/loose gravel would be kicked up by the tyres. Nothing like a sand blasting session to remove paint.
Some heavier chipping at the top of the rear of the turret edge where the crew would place their Bada55's (touche Gaz) a lot of the time - check out the pics I posted. The continued polish by posterior would likely chip as much as anything.
Also the crew more often than not dismounted by swinging over the turret and walking down the rear and fenders, so their boots would scuff the grill and edges there. Why squeeze down beside the gun and worm around the gun mount, then duck walk to the side door when you can do it easier by swinging over the turret edge and walking off?
Same for the wheel arches where the sand/loose gravel would be kicked up by the tyres. Nothing like a sand blasting session to remove paint.
JoeOsborne
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Posted: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 - 06:18 PM UTC
Rory,
Looking great... my comments.
1. I believe there’s no such thing as too much or too little chipping(or weathering). It’s how real is it executed, and does it match what you intended. I think you did an excellent job excuting the hairspray chipping technique. You have some very nice small chips which is one of the challenges with this chipping method.
2. I like what Peter said and is something I strive for. Research and think about how the crew handled the equipment. That is really a great guide to successful weathering. How they entered and exited a vehicle, where/how was maintenance done? All good questions that inform a proper weathering job.
Great job sovfar. Looking forward to dust and dirt
Looking great... my comments.
1. I believe there’s no such thing as too much or too little chipping(or weathering). It’s how real is it executed, and does it match what you intended. I think you did an excellent job excuting the hairspray chipping technique. You have some very nice small chips which is one of the challenges with this chipping method.
2. I like what Peter said and is something I strive for. Research and think about how the crew handled the equipment. That is really a great guide to successful weathering. How they entered and exited a vehicle, where/how was maintenance done? All good questions that inform a proper weathering job.
Great job sovfar. Looking forward to dust and dirt
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