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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 01:53 AM UTC
Hi Joe,

Nice to see your M32B3 come along. What kind or wire did you use? Looks good!

Mine is about in the same stadium right now, although I'm still working on the attachment points on the hull for the boom. Also working on the transmission and drive shaft. Whenever a subassembly has to dry I use that time to work with the kit parts I'll post new pics once I finished the interior or the boom!

Martin
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 03:50 AM UTC

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Hi Joe,

Nice to see your M32B3 come along. What kind or wire did you use? Looks good!

Mine is about in the same stadium right now, although I'm still working on the attachment points on the hull for the boom. Also working on the transmission and drive shaft. Whenever a subassembly has to dry I use that time to work with the kit parts I'll post new pics once I finished the interior or the boom!

Martin

hey Martin,

That silver thread/cord came from Michael's Arts&Craft,I kept the wrapper,so I'd remember what company it's by,when I get home today.I'll find it and pass it on to you,it is real nice,and easy to work with,after its been rigged,I paint it ,with a thinned-out dark silver,I used this same cord for my Italeri M32,built OOB,last year.Pics are in my "photo gallery",pg2.

Joe
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 06:19 AM UTC
JOE:
Your M32 is coming along really impressively, I have just gathered that you paint your bogies/wheels before assymbling them to the hull which gives me some instruction on how to do my M4 when I start construction. And that spool of cord seems right for tow cables also, I will read your next thread to Martin to find out the brand, there is a Michaels near me that I use for odds and ends.

MARTIN:
Hope everything eases up for your build so you can get enjoyment out of it instead of grey hair. I will be neat to see the painted end product.

JAN:
I seem to notice (2) different ods on your Sherman, is that true? It would help with the weathering affect it seams. Just an observation from a newbie.

BOB
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 06:44 AM UTC
Jan, Joe, great builds!

I'm having some troubles with my build, and I have questions to all Sherman specialists here (that's probably everybody beside me... ).
What are these straps shown on assembly instruction (MA7), what material they were made of and what were they used for? I did not find this stuff in any book I have and I couldn't find it in the net... Please help!


Thanks in advance!

Andrzej
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 08:39 AM UTC
Hey Jan/Robert,

Looking at the wrapper,right now,the silver cord that i used to run the rigging ,I've also used for tow cables,it's made by a company,named Westrim Crafts ,style 179,,75 yds. ,,2 Ply Lame Silver,reverse side of label is also writen,, 179-PE-003. it's made in Taiwan,and appears to be distrib by Westrim Crafts,Van Nuys,Calif. 91406. UPC code is 48492 03386.

Ive found that painting them while still on the tree works best for me,mainly the wheels,the black rubber is done by using Sharpie's.I jam a stick into the center of the wheel and start twirling it,with my left hand,right hand has the Sharpie in it,holding it still,color is abit odd now,but no worries,it'll turn a very pale flat black when you spray the entire model with clear flat,Ive been doing it this way for along time.

Joe
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 08:48 AM UTC
JOE:

Thanks for the info. it will help me in the future to be better at painting without the wheels on the hull but for now I will have to deal with what has already been done. Again thanks for the information and great work on the M32.

BOB
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 08:52 AM UTC
hey earlier pics where ,from last weekend,here where Iam at right now,still working on the DML indy tracks.









last two pics are a bit bright,using a flash,so the rigging would show up a little better.Ive already put the Dk.steel paint on it,later I'll put a very thinned out black/rust wash on it

Joe
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 09:18 AM UTC

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JAN:
I seem to notice (2) different ods on your Sherman, is that true? It would help with the weathering affect it seams. Just an observation from a newbie.

BOB



Bob,

All the OD colours are in essence Tamiya XF-62. I add about four drops of Tamiya Flat Base X-21 to the OD in the airbrush cup. Adding a bit of flat base to flat paint seems to make it flatter and the colour faded looking. What appears as different OD's is caused by pre-shading certain areas with a wash of Mr. Color (H343) Soot and Humbrol #66 Dark Panzer Grey prior to spraying the OD. The different bases and the original Dragon grey colour each exhibit a different hue of OD even though the OD is only slightly modified (the Flat Base) out of the bottle. My SWMBO suggested this varied base colour approach and the experiment seems to have worked.

Cheers!
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 09:42 AM UTC
JAN:
Thanks for the great information I will try it out.


BOB
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 04:10 PM UTC
Hello everyone I have a stash of resin parts that I got on ebay and wondered if i could get some help with what I could mate with what. At the moment I am wondering will a Late High Bustle 75mm turret w/vision cupola go with an M4 Composite Hull or a T-23 Turret. Just need some of that knowlege that you guys have in helping me gain some.

BOB
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 04:34 PM UTC
Andrzej, I have made similar parts from paper painted to represent canvas. Used to secure a canvas tarp, usually you see it mounted on the turret side of brit A4s. I found using paper straps a lot easier to use than the PE parts.
Hope this helps.


Doug

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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 07:58 PM UTC

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Andrzej, I have made similar parts from paper painted to represent canvas. Used to secure a canvas tarp, usually you see it mounted on the turret side of brit A4s. I found using paper straps a lot easier to use than the PE parts.
Hope this helps.
Doug


Doug,
Thanks a lot! Could you also give me some advice concerning the colour? Should it be also some shade of OD or khaki?

Thank again!

Andrzej
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 09:37 PM UTC


You can always use a thin thread to represent a string
Martinnnn
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 09:45 PM UTC

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Hope everything eases up for your build so you can get enjoyment out of it instead of grey hair. I will be neat to see the painted end product.



Yeah well actually my girlfrield spotted my first real grey hairs last week. Not a good sign, as I'm 21 years old so a bit too youngh for grey Besides that when my gf spots one she just pulls it out without warning me in advance, which can be dangerous when trying to glue something.

Still I don't see any link between the upcoming grey hair and my modelling, so I guess I can just keep building those little tanks.
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 09:49 PM UTC
Don't worry Martin - in some cultures grey hair is a sign of wisdom . BTW, it's not so bad if the grey hair are on your head - I have some in my beard - you can imagine how it feels when my wife pulls these off...

Anyway... could somebody help me with the color of the canvas mentioned in my previous posts?? I'd really appreciate it.

Andrzej
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Posted: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 - 11:00 PM UTC

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Don't worry Martin - in some cultures grey hair is a sign of wisdom . BTW, it's not so bad if the grey hair are on your head - I have some in my beard - you can imagine how it feels when my wife pulls these off...

Anyway... could somebody help me with the color of the canvas mentioned in my previous posts?? I'd really appreciate it.

Andrzej

Hey Andrzej,
For U.S. canvas,their is slight variation between companys,for the most part,it was a darker shade of green,than what the OD paint for vehicles was.Field equipment,web strappings could be the same way,or a khaki color,Khaki color was early war,towards the end of the war,a darker green started to appear,metal parts such as buckles,end caps,etc; where painted black or parkerized (like the US bayonets).Ive got well over 100 combat uniforms from WWI&WWII,and the color variations are staggering,when it comes to the field equipment & web material. You also have to keep in mind,the fading!!large canvas covers/tarps faded,almost over night,the seat covers on my WWII jeep turned to almost a pale whitish/green in one summer(I came across a box full of unissued ,WWII dated US duffel bags,we split the seams,and laid the material out flat,and made seat covers for my WWII jeep) also Khaki material will bleach out to a off/white ,creamy color.
This is a area,that is very flexible,if it's close,it can't be wrong.

heres a excellant site on US equipment,lot of color pics and info,color variation found in field equip also applied to the canvas covers and tarps.

http://www.olive-drab.com/od_military_gear.php
http://www.olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_gear_ww2webgear.php

Joe
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 12:24 AM UTC
Thanks a lot Joe! I really helps! I've almost finished assembly and I'm going to start painting soon so this information is very valuable for me.
Thanks again.

Andrzej
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 12:52 AM UTC
Also very usable for me, thanks for the explanation!

Martin
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 12:14 PM UTC
I did not use the Formations goodies my dremel waved goodbye so I went ahead and sanded down the kits barrel and textured the hull and turret with Tamiya surfacer white. I guess the next item to do is try to shade with some black wash before painting.




BOB
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 07:31 PM UTC
Nice looking M4A1!

Kinda funny to see. Although there are so many new Sherman kits available, a lot of entries in this campaign seem to be the older Italeri and Tamiya kits! Of course a campaign is a good excuse to build something from your stockpile which could explain the overall use of older kits
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 10:21 PM UTC
Hi all!
Yesterday I was quite bussy: my first son was born :

Probably this meens much less time for modeling .

Anyway - here's the pic of finished turret (I've finnished it few days ago, but there was no time to take a picture):

Hull will be finished maybe today, maybe Saturday.

Andrzej
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 11:02 PM UTC

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Hi all!
Yesterday I was quite bussy: my first son was born



Now that is great news! Does he have a name already?

Congrats to you and your wife, or as we would say in the Netherlands: van harte gefeliciteerd!

Martin
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Posted: Thursday, May 08, 2008 - 11:35 PM UTC
Congrats Andrzej

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Posted: Friday, May 09, 2008 - 12:10 AM UTC
Thanks mates (or dank u zeer! Martin ).
His name is Rafał. He was born in anniversary of Third Reich capitulation - date very easy to remember .
He is still in hospital with his mom, and for now I'm not allowed to be with them... (Health and safety issues...) So I'm killing time finishing some models at home:



Now it goes to bath, and later I want to prime it and leave to dry.

Andrzej
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Posted: Friday, May 09, 2008 - 12:12 AM UTC

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Nice looking M4A1!

Kinda funny to see. Although there are so many new Sherman kits available, a lot of entries in this campaign seem to be the older Italeri and Tamiya kits! Of course a campaign is a good excuse to build something from your stockpile which could explain the overall use of older kits

Hey,

I agree Martin,personally,I don't think theirs nothing wrong with building these older models,some reasons may be it's the only game in town,for other,myself included,it's the costs,90% my our models come from ebay,and it's the older ones that I can afford,for the most part,but shipping charges need to be watched closely,Ive been able to pick up the older Italeri /Tamiya models,Sherman's,Panzer IV's,251's,etc; 20/25.00,apposed to purchasing one for 45.00+Ive even been able to pick up the older DML's for 15/20.00,a King Tiger (DML's first release) for 22.00(w/shipping) and a cavalier zim set for it,for 11.00,the nearest shop is a hour ride(one way),they want 38.00 plus 19.99 for the zim. I'am not a bolt counter,and even the new releases.come with problems/concerns,I'll make small corrections with the older models,and a few small details, the big picture is that where building them,and enjoying it !!!,My models aren't perfect,never will be,and I have no problem with that,
Thats why these campaign's are so much fun,where sharing are builds,thoughts and problems that we encounter,and work threw it together,and where rewarded with a fun build,and a smart looking RIBBON!!.

ANDRZEJ ,congrats all around ,to you and your wife,wohoo!! to the future model builder

making decent progress with my M32B3(Late),one set of those d@# indy tracks are in place,other side will be done in a day or two.









Joe