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The Workhorse: Panzer IV
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Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 04:56 AM UTC
I'll be joining this campaign a little late. Dragon's new Stug IV with Zimmerit is the kit of my choice.



I'll build it completely OOB even though the DS tracks are a big fat problem for me. They could have just included the Magic Tracks of last year's kit (without Zimmerit) but I guess they must have their reasons for why they didn't.
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Posted: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 - 07:37 AM UTC
Nice choice Sebastion,I look foward to seeing that one done.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 02:24 AM UTC
Thanks, I received the kit today and it looks like the DS tracks aren't as bad as I thought, this might just work out nicely. I've posted a build log in the Armor/AFV subforum.

Quick pics:





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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 03:38 AM UTC
it seem that you have plenty options to chose from!! let me know about those tracks.

Regards

Byron
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Posted: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 03:57 AM UTC
Don't worry about the tracks,i used them on the Tiger I,Elefant,and Panther D,they paint and weather up pretty good,and if you plan on using the Shurzen,the sag shouldn't be a problem.Although,it may be a problem trying to get the right sag on top of those return rollers if you leave off the schurzen.
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Posted: Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 05:25 PM UTC
Hmmm.. Think I should make a start..

Currently have a Trumpeter Panzer IV Bergepanzer on the go for the Engineering Campaign so I may as well keep on with another IV at the same time. So I have dug an a Tristar Panzer IV Ausf.B.. Have never built a Tristar kit before so off I go into the unknown!

Keep those builds coming!
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Posted: Saturday, November 06, 2010 - 07:34 AM UTC
Warren, let me tag along also. I will try to finish this OOB and originally lost track of this campaign since I have been on the EOD thread having fun.

1. made a mess of the hull.
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2. the old motor switch holes.
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3. some putty to make it look nice.
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4. short barrel turret.
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Bob
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Posted: Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 08:37 AM UTC
I am following Matt Messmer's article on turning the mid-pro Tiger I to a late-pro. Here are some progress pics.

I filled in the holes for the feifel air cleaners.

I had to drill larger holes for the plate over the exhaust.

Preshading the exhaust and covers

Finished the exhaust assembly

Added the torsion struts and painted the lower hull in oxide red.
This will be a WIP under the constructive comments. I have to pause work, untill I get the styrene strips to reinforce the torsion bars. More to come.
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Posted: Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 11:39 AM UTC

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I am following Matt Messmer's article on turning the mid-pro Tiger I to a late-pro. Here are some progress pics.

I filled in the holes for the feifel air cleaners.

I had to drill larger holes for the plate over the exhaust.

Preshading the exhaust and covers

Finished the exhaust assembly

Added the torsion struts and painted the lower hull in oxide red.
This will be a WIP under the constructive comments. I have to pause work, untill I get the styrene strips to reinforce the torsion bars. More to come.



Hello Matt,you know your project looks good,but this a Mark IV group build
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Posted: Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 07:15 PM UTC
Hmmmm.. Just finished an mentally exhausting day of modelling with the Tristar Ausf.B. It all started after I had finished all the wheels, suspension etc (which is all fully articulated) and decided to glue the hull together.


Here is a shot of the box top and contents..

I glued it all and found that the front of the hull had warped downwards. No biggy I thought and glued and clamped it and went to bed. Next day I tried to glue the rear of the hull in place and it went no where near fitting! I had noticed that it was even more warped than the front, and when I tried to line it up other pieces of plastic got in the way and spread the sides...


Nasty crack that..

After fiddling with clamps, trimming plastic and trying again I found that no matter what I did it was never going to line up correctly.. Out came the razor saw and I sliced off the rear of the chassis. It now fits. The base had warped even though there were two supports there that SHOULD have stopped it happening.. sigh..

Nothing is fitting very well at all and all parts require flash removal and clamps and trimming and whatever else it takes to line things up.. I think I might put this one aside and start a simpler kit for this build.. maybe..


Even this seemingly simple looking part has ten parts already and all needed a good clamping..
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Posted: Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 07:32 PM UTC
Ouch! Warren and I thought that I had it bad. Looks like a nice set of extra parts though or maybe a trade is in the future.

Bob
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Posted: Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 09:27 PM UTC
Thanks for the sympathy Bob. I won't let it beat me but I don't think I have enough time for it at the moment. I also have 5 other Tristar kits and I am hoping they are a bit better... gulp...
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Posted: Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 10:57 PM UTC

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I am following Matt Messmer's article on turning the mid-pro Tiger I to a late-pro. Here are some progress pics.

I filled in the holes for the feifel air cleaners.

I had to drill larger holes for the plate over the exhaust.

Preshading the exhaust and covers

Finished the exhaust assembly

Added the torsion struts and painted the lower hull in oxide red.
This will be a WIP under the constructive comments. I have to pause work, untill I get the styrene strips to reinforce the torsion bars. More to come.



Hello Matt,you know your project looks good,but this a Mark IV group build


Yes. The kit I am building is a panzerkampfwagen IV(Tiger I). I am building the late version, which was used after the Vs and VIs had started being produced.
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Posted: Sunday, November 07, 2010 - 11:40 PM UTC

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I am following Matt Messmer's article on turning the mid-pro Tiger I to a late-pro. Here are some progress pics.

I filled in the holes for the feifel air cleaners.

I had to drill larger holes for the plate over the exhaust.

Preshading the exhaust and covers

Finished the exhaust assembly

Added the torsion struts and painted the lower hull in oxide red.
This will be a WIP under the constructive comments. I have to pause work, untill I get the styrene strips to reinforce the torsion bars. More to come.



Hello Matt,you know your project looks good,but this a Mark IV group build


Yes. The kit I am building is a panzerkampfwagen IV(Tiger I). I am building the late version, which was used after the Vs and VIs had started being produced.



Well,sir you have to excuse my ignorance on that one can you show a picture of your box art,I would like to see that.I never seen that variant.And your project is coming along good.
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Posted: Monday, November 08, 2010 - 04:01 AM UTC

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Hello Matt,you know your project looks good,but this a Mark IV group build



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Yes. The kit I am building is a panzerkampfwagen IV(Tiger I). I am building the late version, which was used after the Vs and VIs had started being produced.




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Well,sir you have to excuse my ignorance on that one can you show a picture of your box art,I would like to see that.I never seen that variant.And your project is coming along good.



You may excuse my ignorance as well, how come a panzer IV becomes a Tiger I; and how is it that IV comes after V and VI. maybe I skip that class

Happy Modeling

Byron
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Posted: Monday, November 08, 2010 - 06:27 AM UTC

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Thanks for the sympathy Bob. I won't let it beat me but I don't think I have enough time for it at the moment. I also have 5 other Tristar kits and I am hoping they are a bit better... gulp...



Yeah Warren seams like that is one dam kit. Let us know how the other Tri Star kits are. I never had 1 so if they are all like that 1 i'll stay away from that brand.

@ Matt, your project is looking good but i always thought IV came before V and VI too
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Posted: Monday, November 08, 2010 - 06:50 AM UTC
Warren, I had some good luck with the hull after sanding off that big glob of putty underneath the top and bottom fit together, sorta (after some filing, sanding, cutting ) and finally some heavy use of Plastruc plastic weld, enough to melt the plastic to bend into place .Now the important question, I plan to use the kit decals and painting scheme, whos grey should I use?
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Posted: Monday, November 08, 2010 - 07:15 AM UTC
Warren I am with Sal, are the Tri Star kits worth the price?

Bob
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Posted: Monday, November 08, 2010 - 07:54 AM UTC

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Warren I am with Sal, are the Tri Star kits worth the price?

Bob



Going on the one I am building I will have to say no. I have build Dragon and Tamiya IVs and both went together well and the Dragon kit was more detailed than the Tristar one, and cheaper. Give me a little extra time and I will report back on the progress.
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Posted: Monday, November 08, 2010 - 08:03 AM UTC
[/quote] @ Matt, your project is looking good but i always thought IV came before V and VI too [/quote]
Germany produced the panzer IV until the end of WWII. I didn't realize this either, until I did a little research. David Byrden and Matt Messmer both helped as did Wiki.
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Posted: Monday, November 08, 2010 - 08:19 AM UTC

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Germany produced the panzer IV until the end of WWII. I didn't realize this either, until I did a little research. David Byrden and Matt Messmer both helped as did Wiki.



Indeed they did, finishing with the Ausf.J, but a Tiger I is NOT a Pz.Kpfw.IV, it's a Pz.Kpfw.VI. In fact the Tiger II is also a Pz.Kpfw.VI ( broadly speaking most commonly the Tiger I is a Pz.Kpfw.VI .Ausf.E and a Tiger II is a Pz.Kpfw.VI.Ausf.B ).

A Tiger is no more a Pz.Kpfw.IV than is a Panther ( or a T34 or an M4 Sherman for that matter ).
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Posted: Monday, November 08, 2010 - 09:01 AM UTC

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Germany produced the panzer IV until the end of WWII. I didn't realize this either, until I did a little research. David Byrden and Matt Messmer both helped as did Wiki.



Indeed they did, finishing with the Ausf.J, but a Tiger I is NOT a Pz.Kpfw.IV, it's a Pz.Kpfw.VI. In fact the Tiger II is also a Pz.Kpfw.VI ( broadly speaking most commonly the Tiger I is a Pz.Kpfw.VI .Ausf.E and a Tiger II is a Pz.Kpfw.VI.Ausf.B ).

A Tiger is no more a Pz.Kpfw.IV than is a Panther ( or a T34 or an M4 Sherman for that matter ).



So maybe i'm not so ignorant,i thought maybe he was referring to a Mark IV variant with an 88 mm gun,is that possible ??
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Posted: Monday, November 08, 2010 - 09:49 AM UTC

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Thanks for the sympathy Bob. I won't let it beat me but I don't think I have enough time for it at the moment. I also have 5 other Tristar kits and I am hoping they are a bit better... gulp...



http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/reviews/vehicles/tristar/tri35021.htm

"Conclusion:
Another excellent and well researched kit as you might expect with Thomas Jentz as the technical advisor. The details included on the parts are again very fine and well defined although some of the smaller parts such as the bolt heads on the final drive covers and the incredible small wing nuts will need special care but the final effect is excellent and worth the effort.

All the required parts for the Ausf.B have been included and this kit should be welcomed by early war fans. Just don’t be put off by the box art that has the incorrect visors on the superstructure sides, but the correct visors are included in the kit.

Highly recommended."

I was under the impresion that Tristar was in the same league that DML and AFV? well, seems some reviewers make the wrong impresion




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So maybe i'm not so ignorant,i thought maybe he was referring to a Mark IV variant with an 88 mm gun,is that possible ??



I think -and it's my opinion- that when you begin mixing clasification terms of different countrys you are in for trouble; as far as I know the Mark x (in which x is any number you need it to be) is British, the German use the Ausf. x , Now give me time to get some flak vest and a helmet.


Byron
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Posted: Monday, November 08, 2010 - 11:18 AM UTC

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So maybe i'm not so ignorant,i thought maybe he was referring to a Mark IV variant with an 88 mm gun,is that possible ??



Not as a tank per se, meaning no actual Pz.Kpfw.IV variants with a turret with any form of 8.8cm gun in it. There were a few prototype/limited production/field mod variants that used a Pz.Kpfw.IV chassis ( sometimes heavily modified ) with a 8.8cm FlaK 36/37/41 mounted on top.

The Tiger I does have a similar construction style, looking like a big Pz.Kpfw.IV so I can see where there would be confusion, and in fact I've heard that during the war many, many reports of "Tigers" were actually misidentified Pz.Kpfw.IVs.

The Tiger I started off as a bigger brother to the Pz.Kpfw.IV just as the Pz.Kpfw.IV was a bigger brother to the Pz.Kpfw.III. German designers didn't seem overly imaginative in that. You do get the distinct feeling that they just went "Hey Hans, lets just take this one, make it bigger, give it a bigger gun and call it tank number 4, then we'll call the next one tank number 5".

And back on topic I really should get up some updated photos of where mine is at, which isn't that much further than it was a month ago. All I've amanaged to do of late is get the tools painted, the decals on and the first wash done.
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Posted: Monday, November 08, 2010 - 11:23 AM UTC

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"Conclusion:
Another excellent and well researched kit as you might expect with Thomas Jentz as the technical advisor. The details included on the parts are again very fine and well defined although some of the smaller parts such as the bolt heads on the final drive covers and the incredible small wing nuts will need special care but the final effect is excellent and worth the effort.

All the required parts for the Ausf.B have been included and this kit should be welcomed by early war fans. Just don’t be put off by the box art that has the incorrect visors on the superstructure sides, but the correct visors are included in the kit.

Highly recommended."

I was under the impresion that Tristar was in the same league that DML and AFV? well, seems some reviewers make the wrong impresion



I read that same review, but don't forget these are not build reviews by Terry unless he titles it as such. His comments are fair enough about the kit as it arrives in the box, BUT it is a different story when you start assembling, nay, constructing the kit. I may be the most accurate Ausf.B kit out there, possibly the only one, but when you start building it with tiny bolt heads etc you start to wonder on why they did not just mould them in place as Dragon seem to have no problem doing.

Please take Terry's reviews as they are meant to be, in box reviews for the most part.