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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2010 - 02:06 PM UTC
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Sal I use Tamiya Paints too.
SCC 15, the British equivalent of U.S. OD 9 would be appropriate for NWE 1944.
A very good Tamiya mix is XF52:8 + XF26:8 + XF1:1.
Ok guys not that I didnt think that Paul's suggestion was good, but i didn't and LHS didn't have all the colors that Paul suggested. So I found a rattle-can of Rustoleum CAMOUFLAGE Deep Forest Green. I sprayed it on the underside and it looked good
so I sprayed the whole thing. Once my daughter gives me back the camera I will get a photo of it up then I will start on the rest of the paining,
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Posted: Saturday, December 18, 2010 - 02:20 PM UTC
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Paul, the Hurricane looks good and I can not believe the speed with which you have accomplished this.
Bob
Thanks Bob,
it's a VERY basic kit, but good practice for building 1/48 Aeroplanes (of which I have a few now )
My next 'Wingy Thing" will be much better with the experience.
More preshading, and also some 'ProModeller' washes I think ....
Cheers
Paul
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 01:58 AM UTC
Paul!! Really nice work. Hope you could use some of my advice.
Well, if I might say so, I really haven't had that many good experience with preshading. Tends to disappear too easily. What I do in some cases I preshade the darkest areas so I don't have to cover them that thickly with the intended base paint.
Most shaded areas I do with the basepaint, laid down in a few coats. The faded areas I spray very transparently and complete the opacity with a lighter mix sprayed evn thinner.
Hope this makes sense. I'll try to show it with my Humber, got that sprayed yesterday
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 01:18 PM UTC
Ok, got the camera back from my daughter and here is my rattle can paint job
Now I can work on finishing the build and then start on the filters, washes and weathering. How is the color
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 03:06 PM UTC
I'm having a hard time figuring out what the actual color is. Can you hold an index card or something under the flash and angle it slightly upward to diffuse the flash so it's not reflecting directly off of the model? You could also hold a piece of thin cloth over the flash like pantyhose or something equally translucent.
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 03:23 PM UTC
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I'm having a hard time figuring out what the actual color is. Can you hold an index card or something under the flash and angle it slightly upward to diffuse the flash so it's not reflecting directly off of the model? You could also hold a piece of thin cloth over the flash like pantyhose or something equally translucent.
I'll try taking a photo outside tomorrow in natural light, sorry
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 03:38 PM UTC
Np bud, looking forward to seeing it
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 04:31 PM UTC
Hey guys !
I'm calling this one finished
I've learnt a bit about Aero modeling, and the next one will be a lot better. As I mentioned, this one was all about learning and trying things I've read about.
@ Leo you've been a great help, the next machine will be a Natural metal finish P47N over at "P47 Heaven', I'm doing the cockpit now
Eduard Color zoom PE is nice for cockpit detailing !!.
Leo, I love your 'wingy thing' work !!! My next challenge will be getting the seams right in that P47
@ Sal, I agree with Jeremy, try taking a pic' without the flash or shielding it, you've made good progress - well done !!
Cheers
Paul
BTW; Now it's time for the next Polish project ! Keep up the good work team !!
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 04:43 PM UTC
Paul, your WINGY THINGY is really nice and to think it came from an AFV guy
good going Paul. And since I am not really an AFV guy I have a quesion for those in the know. Did the Polish Armored divisions use a spray gun or were the tanks just brushed in the feild. Need to know before I start painting please.
Bob
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 04:59 PM UTC
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Paul, your WINGY THINGY is really nice and to think it came from an AFV guy good going Paul. And since I am not really an AFV guy I have a quesion for those in the know. Did the Polish Armored divisions use a spray gun or were the tanks just brushed in the feild. Need to know before I start painting please.
Bob
Hey Bob,
Hopefully the next 'Wingy Thing' will be better
Thanks for the kind words. I'm getting very excited about doing some more 1/48 'Wingy things". eg: PZL P11c, FW190 Dora (Eduard). Ho229 (Flying Wing). Aussie P40N etc, etc
Polish Armored Divisions in the West following the same processes as the Commonwealth forces. Most machines were factory OD, the Fireflies and modified machine were painted in the British factories in SCC 15 (British OD).
Some Polish machines in NWE were also painted with Black Camo stripes in the field, these were sprayed, as were the machines in Camo in italy and the Mediterannean area of Operation.
As far as I know the '39 7TP's were green out of the fatory and repainted in Polish 3 color camo in the maintenance workshops using spray units.
Hope that helps !
Cheers
Paul
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 05:05 PM UTC
Pal: Forgive me in advance, I have to quote this.. "Rockin' like a Hurricane!!"
But seriously nice work bud! Now bring on one of those tankettes!
Bob: Most of the tanks I'm familiar with would have been supplied by Russia or England during WWII and there finishes would have been sprayed. Not sure about field applications however...
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 05:18 PM UTC
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Pal: Forgive me in advance, I have to quote this.. "Rockin' like a Hurricane!!" But seriously nice work bud! Now bring on one of those tankettes!
Bob: Most of the tanks I'm familiar with would have been supplied by Russia or England during WWII and there finishes would have been sprayed. Not sure about field applications however...
Thanks Jeremy,
"Rock you like a Hurricane" - Scorpions .... Great German band !!
Rock you like a Hurricane Ok who's doing a MK III Sherman in the colors of the Polish 4th Armored Regiment (Scorpions) in Italy ??
Cheers
Paul
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KIlgore: " I love the smell of napalm in the morning. ...The smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole hill. Smelled like... victory."
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Posted: Monday, December 20, 2010 - 05:49 PM UTC
Hmm, good question, any takers?
btw, love the comment below the video:
"In soviet Russia hurricane rocks you!"
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 01:03 AM UTC
''@ Leo you've been a great help, the next machine will be a Natural metal finish P47N over at "P47 Heaven', I'm doing the cockpit now
Eduard Color zoom PE is nice for cockpit detailing !!.
Leo, I love your 'wingy thing' work !!! My next challenge will be getting the seams right in that P47''
Thanks, man, glad I could help!!! Just stick to the superglue on visible seams and you should be fine.
Also beforehand: glue those seams with as little glue as possible. The drying process always gives some shrinkage. You won't notice 'till everything is done and you wanna take pics. Ask me how I know...
For BMF: if you wanna use alclad get the Tamiya rattle can primer grey fine. Gives a shiny surface and withstands everything you throw at it. A good thing for Alclad-battles...
If you can get hold of Revell Aqua colour Aluminium99 and the new respective thinner, maybe give it a try for the metal coat: No smell, no mess, extremely smooth surface, impervious to decal solvents.
Don't get hung up on too many shades of metal. Just an aluminium base and some toned down panels (Tamiya Smoke and Clear orange) work best. Less is more as they say...
Had the joice 'tween modelling and pics yesterday. So pics today I hope. Got some camo and decals done!!
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 01:08 AM UTC
Oh, and 'bout Scorpions.... y'all do know we got some serious musicians over here, right ?!!???
I mean, winds of change? REALLY!!??? C'mon...
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 06:10 AM UTC
@ EVERYONE: thanks for the help with the camo for my 7TP. It looks like I will go with the (3) color camo and drag out the airbrush
painting is not so bad, but the cleanup and the fact that it is raining cats and dogs and that I am lazy
has a lot do with my decisions.
Bob
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 08:31 AM UTC
Here goes, just before I slapped on the matte coat in preparation for detail painting:
Tell me what you think.
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 10:38 AM UTC
@ Leo - looking good there. Nice shading / highlighting
Thanks for the tips on the BMF. I was thinking about a coat of gloss Tamiya Black underneath the Alcad II.
I'll use a nice piece of Evergreen Styrene to practice with the Alcad first.
I have both the Zap a Gap CA Glue and accelerator too .... fun, fun, fun
Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 11:35 AM UTC
Ok guys 1st off
Scorpions do rock saw them back in 1984 sorry I missed them this past summer when they came around but I was sort of laid up
@ Leo- Looking good nice clean build
@ Bob- looking forward to seeing that tri color camo pattern
Here is the pic of the Cromwell in natural light with no flash
Then tonight with a yellowish filter added
Decals, washes and weathering still left
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 12:12 PM UTC
@ Sal: you are really coming along with that Cromwell. Looking good as for the (3) color camo
@ Leo: " ditto" what Sal said.
Bob
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 12:20 PM UTC
Looking good Sal !
Now once you've done the decals and weathering, it'll be a beauty !!
Make sure you dust up the lower hull behind the wheels
Do you use pigments ?
Cheers
Paul
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Posted: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 - 09:43 PM UTC
Thanks guys, means a lot to me. Got some details done yesterday, 'll try to finish painting today.
Paul: Well, Tamiya gloss black works well in terms of colour. Did it, too, for a while. BUT: you have to be really carefiul not to ''soak'' the black undercoat with Alcald as the A. eats through the base coat and the metal gets an ugly brownish tinge. If you mist really fine layers and wait et least half an hour between them T.G.B. works fine.
For me it's not an option, i love to paint fast. Since you need at least four really fine coats of A. 'till you get a nice BMF, you need a few hours for the painting. With Alclad Gloss Black Primer or - sorry to bug you - Tamya Gray Primer fine you can add layers in much faster succession so you're done faster. Also: with the gray you need fewer coats.
Greetings
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 10:58 AM UTC
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Thanks guys, means a lot to me. Got some details done yesterday, 'll try to finish painting today.
Paul: Well, Tamiya gloss black works well in terms of colour. Did it, too, for a while. BUT: you have to be really carefiul not to ''soak'' the black undercoat with Alcald as the A. eats through the base coat and the metal gets an ugly brownish tinge. If you mist really fine layers and wait et least half an hour between them T.G.B. works fine.
For me it's not an option, i love to paint fast. Since you need at least four really fine coats of A. 'till you get a nice BMF, you need a few hours for the painting. With Alclad Gloss Black Primer or - sorry to bug you - Tamya Gray Primer fine you can add layers in much faster succession so you're done faster. Also: with the gray you need fewer coats.
Greetings
Thanks Leo,
I'll give the primer a go first.....
How do you find the shine using the primer rather tha the black ?
Paul
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If it aint broke dont fix it.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 - 07:23 PM UTC
@Paul: I've found that the shine is only an issue on certain A.colours, mostly Highly Polishied Aluminium and Chrome. There you really need a black undercoat. Maybe break out the last stray tin of Humbrol gloss black
?
When using TPGfine there's an added benefit: you can polish the basecoat with fine cloth or micromesh! this makes for and even BMF and most of the time has shine enough. I mostly seal the decals with a Gloss coat anyhow and adjust the shine afterwards with matte depending on area of wear and tear and to ad contrast.
@Bob: Jesus, you poor man. Had that feeling ten years ago, too. Then got an IWATA airbrush. Takes me 5 minutes - in words:FIVE - to spray an even coat AND clan. It's well worth the money, really
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