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The Next Generation Campaign
CMOT
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Posted: Monday, March 21, 2011 - 09:26 AM UTC
Jon as long as it is a model and build by someone 17 and under it is fine. At 4 and half I was only allowed to watch and work as a clamp, I was of cause allowed to play with them afterwards.
russamotto
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 10:49 AM UTC
I can't get Andrew to paint anything, but he has been building like crazy, and cleaning out what stash I have.
The Grant was "knocked out" reportedly by a curious 3 year old, although it may have been an unauthorized ball game in the basement. When I left for work, Andrew was eying my closet. I don't know what he'll start next.
The Grant was "knocked out" reportedly by a curious 3 year old, although it may have been an unauthorized ball game in the basement. When I left for work, Andrew was eying my closet. I don't know what he'll start next.
CMOT
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Posted: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 - 01:24 PM UTC
Russ I can see you are going to have to get a grip of that one 
Please can I ask that those who have finished their build E-mail a picture of themselves with their finished model/models to [email protected] as I need them to do a round up at the end of the campaign and to send out any prizes that may have been won.
Please can I ask that those who have finished their build E-mail a picture of themselves with their finished model/models to [email protected] as I need them to do a round up at the end of the campaign and to send out any prizes that may have been won.
HipKitty
Joined: February 14, 2011
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Posted: Saturday, March 26, 2011 - 10:07 AM UTC
Here's Mason starting his Tiger 1 build:
CMOT
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Posted: Saturday, March 26, 2011 - 11:38 AM UTC
Not the easiest kit to get done in 3 months so I will watch your progress with interest. Good luck Mason. 
HipKitty
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Posted: Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 05:26 AM UTC
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Not the easiest kit to get done in 3 months so I will watch your progress with interest. Good luck Mason.
Darren, I showed Mason your post.....he thinks there's a challenge embeded in there that he's up for
CMOT
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Posted: Sunday, March 27, 2011 - 07:32 AM UTC
I wish you luck Mason as that is a lot of model. I have some of the original DML Tiger 1's that DML released when they first added PE and metal barrels plus all the other goodies they use to include in a kit, and if the part count is anywhere near the original or as complex you have taken n a real task.
HipKitty
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Posted: Monday, March 28, 2011 - 12:32 PM UTC
You know, it seemed like a lot more pieces than what I used to get when I was doing the Monogram and Tamiya kits of old. All the same, he's moving forward. I'll get some pics up.....
HipKitty
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Posted: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 02:19 AM UTC
...here's where he was at as of last evening...
the decision was made two days ago to go ahead and get the base coating on top of the primer, as we did with his SAS Jeep. Mason had pointed out to me that many builds posted in Armorama didn't have the base (and primer) coats on until the completion of the builds, so this allowed him to make the decision which way to go, he decided on following the path he took (under my direction) with the SAS Jeep, saying "if it ain't broke..." Feedback on this matter is very welcome, btw.
the decision was made two days ago to go ahead and get the base coating on top of the primer, as we did with his SAS Jeep. Mason had pointed out to me that many builds posted in Armorama didn't have the base (and primer) coats on until the completion of the builds, so this allowed him to make the decision which way to go, he decided on following the path he took (under my direction) with the SAS Jeep, saying "if it ain't broke..." Feedback on this matter is very welcome, btw.
CMOT
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Posted: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 07:43 AM UTC
The reason you should finish as much of the build as possible before adding any paint at all is that depending on the type of glue you are using the paint will damage it’s ability to bond the surfaces together. Let me try to explain this better;
Superglue is a contact adhesive, it is the actual glue that bonds the two surfaces together.
Epoxy glues also work in this way with the only difference being the fact epoxy is a two part adhesive.
Most other glues work such as Tamiya extra thin and Humbrol liquid polly work by chemically bonding the two plastic surfaces, this means the adhesive melts a layer of plastic on both surfaces which when cured the two surfaces are physically joined with (as far as I know) the glue adding nothing further to the join.
In this last case if paint has been applied to one or both surfaces the glue will fail to melt those plastic surfaces resulting in a weak join or no join at all. If you need any further information please ask.
Superglue is a contact adhesive, it is the actual glue that bonds the two surfaces together.
Epoxy glues also work in this way with the only difference being the fact epoxy is a two part adhesive.
Most other glues work such as Tamiya extra thin and Humbrol liquid polly work by chemically bonding the two plastic surfaces, this means the adhesive melts a layer of plastic on both surfaces which when cured the two surfaces are physically joined with (as far as I know) the glue adding nothing further to the join.
In this last case if paint has been applied to one or both surfaces the glue will fail to melt those plastic surfaces resulting in a weak join or no join at all. If you need any further information please ask.
HipKitty
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Posted: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 08:15 AM UTC
Quoted Text
The reason you should finish as much of the build as possible before adding any paint at all is that depending on the type of glue you are using the paint will damage it’s ability to bond the surfaces together. Let me try to explain this better;
Superglue is a contact adhesive, it is the actual glue that bonds the two surfaces together.
Epoxy glues also work in this way with the only difference being the fact epoxy is a two part adhesive.
Most other glues work such as Tamiya extra thin and Humbrol liquid polly work by chemically bonding the two plastic surfaces, this means the adhesive melts a layer of plastic on both surfaces which when cured the two surfaces are physically joined with (as far as I know) the glue adding nothing further to the join.
In this last case if glue has been applied to one or both surfaces the glue will fail to melt those plastic surfaces resulting in a weak join or no join at all. If you need any further information please ask.
Understood.
What I have had Mason do is to keep contact points clear of paint or scrap away any that does get on the contact points, so good bonding occurs. He used this method with the SAS Jeep with great sucess.
CMOT
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Posted: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 08:47 AM UTC
Neal when I was younger I use to do things the same way as Mason does now, and it was only when a had an airbrush set up that I changed.
russamotto
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Posted: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 - 12:48 PM UTC
I took Adam to the hobby store and tried to get him to buy an airplane. He chose this instead.
Sprue shot. I told him to do a review of this but he was too quick for me.
It transforms into three different objects, has a solar powered motor and Adam had to apply sticker/decals to decorate.
These are educational sets that are next to where the DaVinci working catapult is (but is always sold out).
Sprue shot. I told him to do a review of this but he was too quick for me.
It transforms into three different objects, has a solar powered motor and Adam had to apply sticker/decals to decorate.
These are educational sets that are next to where the DaVinci working catapult is (but is always sold out).
HipKitty
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Posted: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 - 02:38 AM UTC
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Neal when I was younger I use to do things the same way as Mason does now, and it was only when a had an airbrush set up that I changed.
Darren, I showed Mason your posts, his response was "Oh. I guess I'll do it his way from now on"
We have and use an airbrush with the exception of the small things like the rubber on the road wheels, hand tools, etc. but I'm now looking at upgrading our airbrush thanks to Mason's new-found addiction
CMOT
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Posted: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 - 06:57 AM UTC
Mason Don't change the way you do things because of the way someone else does it, change only if your way is not working as well as it could or you are unhappy with the results you are getting. There are a lot of people who will say "This way is the right way" that is only true if it is the right way for you. Before changing do your homework and ask others the same question, and then make a more informed decision rather than because someone else does it that way.
Russ Thank you for the pictures and as I said at the start of this campaign any model you have to make qualifies even auto bots.
Russ Thank you for the pictures and as I said at the start of this campaign any model you have to make qualifies even auto bots.
HipKitty
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Posted: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 - 07:59 AM UTC
He got his road wheels on before he went to school this morning...just got around to getting a pic posted.
If you look closely, you can see the touch ups that he's been doing with a brush. for whatever reason, the flash of the camera makes the paint coloring look different. I saw the same thing happen on his SAS Jeep. In person, you can't tell the difference, but the flash makes it stand out in the pics. A real learning lesson for the both of us.
If you look closely, you can see the touch ups that he's been doing with a brush. for whatever reason, the flash of the camera makes the paint coloring look different. I saw the same thing happen on his SAS Jeep. In person, you can't tell the difference, but the flash makes it stand out in the pics. A real learning lesson for the both of us.
CMOT
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Posted: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 - 09:03 AM UTC
Mason I suspect that this is to do with the sprayed paint being more reflective than the brushed paint., by that I mean the brushed oaint has a rougher finish but this is just a guess.
HipKitty
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Posted: Saturday, April 02, 2011 - 04:38 AM UTC
Here's the progression on the hull. The photo etched engine fan boxes were interesting. Initially, he had some trouble with the bending on the first one, but ended up using a set of jewelers pliers that I use in my shop. A real learning lesson for him...and myself as I had never even handled PE parts let alone watch someone work with them.
I have to add that while he was trying to verify the colors to the fan boxes, he found a thread which showed a through the hatch conversion. Of course, the kid wants to add that to his build.....not sure that's going to happen...
I have to add that while he was trying to verify the colors to the fan boxes, he found a thread which showed a through the hatch conversion. Of course, the kid wants to add that to his build.....not sure that's going to happen...
CMOT
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Posted: Sunday, April 03, 2011 - 12:37 AM UTC
Mason I have got to give you a lot of credit for your enthusiasm but you are taking an awful lot of work on with the time available.
HipKitty
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2011 - 12:58 AM UTC
Thank you Sir. I am going to do my best.
Mason
Mason
HipKitty
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Posted: Monday, April 04, 2011 - 08:20 AM UTC
Here's where he's at now.
After poking around threads, he wanted to correct the red paint and finish out the remainder or the hull that appears to have been red oxide primer, so he taped the hull off and will shoot it sometime after school today.
He started the top of the hull:
After poking around threads, he wanted to correct the red paint and finish out the remainder or the hull that appears to have been red oxide primer, so he taped the hull off and will shoot it sometime after school today.
He started the top of the hull:
jaypee
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Posted: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 - 11:00 PM UTC
No nursery today so Emmet got to paint his hurricane
His grey basecoat was pretty smooth.
I did the port wing but then left him to his own devices, leaving it the dry tries the patience of a four year old. But he is enjoying it and proud of his plane.
His grey basecoat was pretty smooth.
I did the port wing but then left him to his own devices, leaving it the dry tries the patience of a four year old. But he is enjoying it and proud of his plane.
CMOT
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Posted: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 - 11:17 AM UTC
Mason your work is being watched with interest keep it going.
Emmet dont tell your dad but what you do is grab another model to work on while the paint is drying
Emmet dont tell your dad but what you do is grab another model to work on while the paint is drying
HipKitty
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Posted: Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 03:39 AM UTC
Here's another update. Contrary to my recommendation, he asked that I go ahead and order a Verlinden "Through the hatch" kit so he can keep his primary hatches open and have it look "real". What can I say? The kid has been doing great in school, Scouts and baseball...I figured he earned the kit, even if problems arose and it didn't work out for him. Also, if he's going to be an over-achiever, who am I to stand in his way?
He had sprayed the red oxide primer in the hull (in some sections) and then found out by looking online that the front crew section had black over the red primer on the floor, so he chose to hand paint the black since he'd already cleaned the airbrush out and it was getting late.
He had sprayed the red oxide primer in the hull (in some sections) and then found out by looking online that the front crew section had black over the red primer on the floor, so he chose to hand paint the black since he'd already cleaned the airbrush out and it was getting late.
CMOT
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Posted: Thursday, April 07, 2011 - 03:58 AM UTC
Mason you have done a very good job so far, keep it up.
Please can everyone who has finished their build and everyone else when they finish their build please E-mail me a picture of themselves with their finished entry for a Campaign round up feature for Armorama. Please send the pictures to [email protected]
Thank you.
Please can everyone who has finished their build and everyone else when they finish their build please E-mail me a picture of themselves with their finished entry for a Campaign round up feature for Armorama. Please send the pictures to [email protected]
Thank you.
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