This weekend's progress so far.
Ooops just noticed the driver's back rest is crooked.
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2013 - 06:15 AM UTC
Nito74
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2013 - 06:37 AM UTC
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@ John: nice one, Ilike the last two pics before the chipping, they almost like the real thing
Paul
Paul, thanks for the kind words !!!
Your Flak is coming along great ! I like that base colour, it smells like sand
@Philippe
Thanks ! I think that 1970's kit turned out quite nice !
@Gary
Nice progress on the Half Track, the suspension looks more complicated than the Puma you did last year.
But so far... perfect as usual !!
BBD468
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2013 - 06:46 AM UTC
Darren, John, Thanks fellas! The Puma did look more intimidating but as it turns out they are about the same as in part and time....7/2 just isnt repetitive like the Puma suspension was.
Gary
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2013 - 07:30 AM UTC
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Paul, thanks for the kind words !!!
Your Flak is coming along great ! I like that base colour, it smells like sand
I´m going for something along the lines of this, about 30
minutes later
Paul
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2013 - 07:30 AM UTC
Just read thru and really impressed with it all. Great progress and sharp looking results too!
I'm not sure when I will be starting my Maultier (w/ so much going on) but will be soon. I hope!
Cheers Dave
I'm not sure when I will be starting my Maultier (w/ so much going on) but will be soon. I hope!
Cheers Dave
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2013 - 10:17 AM UTC
That looks good Paul.
~ Jeff
~ Jeff
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2013 - 12:37 PM UTC
Well I’m going to be making a change to my build and instead going with this.
Just got this kit from my wife today.
This has been one of those kit on my wish list for sometime now, so I could not wait to start building it. The Tank Quad Maxim is a real gem and build up quite nicely, minus a few parts broken in the set.
Just got this kit from my wife today.
This has been one of those kit on my wish list for sometime now, so I could not wait to start building it. The Tank Quad Maxim is a real gem and build up quite nicely, minus a few parts broken in the set.
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Posted: Saturday, March 16, 2013 - 05:30 PM UTC
Hi all.
Sixteen days since the campaign started and I can show you some progress. I finish the interior with some extra details added, just plastic pieces and some wires, nothing so fancy. I must say that the component´s fit is nearly perfect. Great care has to be taken as there are some very tiny pieces, but everything fits like a globe. The only critic I have to DML is the lack of pattern on the floor panels and the no existent detail on the interior walls, other than that the rest is cool.
The first photo shows the sub-assemblies.
In these the sub-assemblies are presented to the hull. Nothing is glued here so you can see how good the parts fit.
I also cut the main upper hull components to check for misalignments and to realize what can be seen of the interior once the hull is closed. Nothing glued again, except for the armored front shield where the drivers visors will go. I have to say that this piece was little warped so I have to glue it in two stages. No big deal.
As you can see I do not follow the instructions order, I usually don´t. Next I´ll prime everything and then I´ll start with the gun just for a change.
Now the usual question: Interior color. I know it must be RAL 9001 but there would be some parts in red primer. My best guess is that: from the pedals forward red primer and everything else is RAL 9001, with the exception of some components like transmission, battery case, seat, etc.
Bye.
Raúl
Sixteen days since the campaign started and I can show you some progress. I finish the interior with some extra details added, just plastic pieces and some wires, nothing so fancy. I must say that the component´s fit is nearly perfect. Great care has to be taken as there are some very tiny pieces, but everything fits like a globe. The only critic I have to DML is the lack of pattern on the floor panels and the no existent detail on the interior walls, other than that the rest is cool.
The first photo shows the sub-assemblies.
In these the sub-assemblies are presented to the hull. Nothing is glued here so you can see how good the parts fit.
I also cut the main upper hull components to check for misalignments and to realize what can be seen of the interior once the hull is closed. Nothing glued again, except for the armored front shield where the drivers visors will go. I have to say that this piece was little warped so I have to glue it in two stages. No big deal.
As you can see I do not follow the instructions order, I usually don´t. Next I´ll prime everything and then I´ll start with the gun just for a change.
Now the usual question: Interior color. I know it must be RAL 9001 but there would be some parts in red primer. My best guess is that: from the pedals forward red primer and everything else is RAL 9001, with the exception of some components like transmission, battery case, seat, etc.
Bye.
Raúl
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Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2013 - 12:23 AM UTC
Looking good Raul!
Heck, everyone is making good progress!
~ Jeff
Heck, everyone is making good progress!
~ Jeff
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Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2013 - 12:24 AM UTC
And Christopher... you crack me up! That is a great selection too.
~ Jeff
~ Jeff
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Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2013 - 05:11 AM UTC
Raul, excellent start As you said, the fit of the parts looks nearly perfect.
Joel
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Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2013 - 07:48 AM UTC
Raul, great progress. I have my trailer built now, and the interior parts cut. Going to paint before assembly as I want grey lower surfaces and cream upper (found reference that speculated that this was correct for early war.) Know that means I risk gaps/damage when building but should be able to clean it up once all together... probably wont see much any way..... photos once primer is on...
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Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2013 - 08:19 AM UTC
Wow!! This is some great builds!!
Here is some progres on the engine.
I`ve took off the kit belts and I`m replacing them with some scratch ones, better looking imho.
new belts par asmodeuss, sur Flickr
first tack par asmodeuss, sur Flickr
engine08 par asmodeuss, sur Flickr
Now it look dirt(and it is) but I`m waiting for a full cure to clean it up. One belt down, one to go! I`ll scratch two rubber pipes also, since the left side hood will be open.
engine07 par asmodeuss, sur Flickr.
Thanks for watching.
Phil.
Here is some progres on the engine.
I`ve took off the kit belts and I`m replacing them with some scratch ones, better looking imho.
new belts par asmodeuss, sur Flickr
first tack par asmodeuss, sur Flickr
engine08 par asmodeuss, sur Flickr
Now it look dirt(and it is) but I`m waiting for a full cure to clean it up. One belt down, one to go! I`ll scratch two rubber pipes also, since the left side hood will be open.
engine07 par asmodeuss, sur Flickr.
Thanks for watching.
Phil.
Raulito
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Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2013 - 12:37 PM UTC
@ Jeff and @Joel.
Thanks for the nice comments. Wish I have more spare time, the summer is always a busy season
@Robert
Thanks, Robert. You´re probably right with the interior colors. I was surfing the web for reference and found a great article by David Byrden about this; I assume you had read it but here´s the link:
http://worldwartwozone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/15952-panzer-colours-via-david-byrden/
According to this, now my painting order will be: 1 - Surface primer (Vallejo acrylic polyurethane neutral grey). 2 – Red oxide primer (Tamiya acrylics mix). 3 – Lower surfaces (XF22 RLM Grey, not a true match to RAL 7009 but think it´ll works). 4 – Walls RLM 9001 (AK 092 Cremeweiss).
Of course there will be the usual chipping, dusting and oxidation on top of it all.
I will also paint the interior in sub-assemblies so it will be easier to get good color separation. Of course there is always the risk of damaging the paint when you put it all together, as you already said, but this came with the job agreement.
Regards.
Raul.
Thanks for the nice comments. Wish I have more spare time, the summer is always a busy season
@Robert
Thanks, Robert. You´re probably right with the interior colors. I was surfing the web for reference and found a great article by David Byrden about this; I assume you had read it but here´s the link:
http://worldwartwozone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/15952-panzer-colours-via-david-byrden/
According to this, now my painting order will be: 1 - Surface primer (Vallejo acrylic polyurethane neutral grey). 2 – Red oxide primer (Tamiya acrylics mix). 3 – Lower surfaces (XF22 RLM Grey, not a true match to RAL 7009 but think it´ll works). 4 – Walls RLM 9001 (AK 092 Cremeweiss).
Of course there will be the usual chipping, dusting and oxidation on top of it all.
I will also paint the interior in sub-assemblies so it will be easier to get good color separation. Of course there is always the risk of damaging the paint when you put it all together, as you already said, but this came with the job agreement.
Regards.
Raul.
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Posted: Sunday, March 17, 2013 - 09:14 PM UTC
Raul,
that wasnt the source I had but gives a similar picture... I am going with
1) German Red Brown Primer (Vallejo)
2) lower surfaces - Grey Black (think that is the name) which was the colour I used for the interior of my Sd.Kfz 10 (might add a touch of grey/green)
3) upper surfaces - Vallejo Buff (plus maybe a little white to lighten it)....
and yes - saw the part on "no surfaces was pristine" - have my array of True Earth General Grime and Dark Grime plus dot filter with oils and overall chipping (personally I am thinking weathering has to be done once all in place to allow grime collection in corners etc).....
hope to get time for the red primer tonight.....
that wasnt the source I had but gives a similar picture... I am going with
1) German Red Brown Primer (Vallejo)
2) lower surfaces - Grey Black (think that is the name) which was the colour I used for the interior of my Sd.Kfz 10 (might add a touch of grey/green)
3) upper surfaces - Vallejo Buff (plus maybe a little white to lighten it)....
and yes - saw the part on "no surfaces was pristine" - have my array of True Earth General Grime and Dark Grime plus dot filter with oils and overall chipping (personally I am thinking weathering has to be done once all in place to allow grime collection in corners etc).....
hope to get time for the red primer tonight.....
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Posted: Monday, March 18, 2013 - 02:22 AM UTC
Chris, Nice start buddy...im lovin that old truck!
Raul, great work on the interior man.
Brother Phil, Nice beltage! whats next after the belts...Hoses and the like?
Heres my progress.
Later AA dudes!
Gary
Raul, great work on the interior man.
Brother Phil, Nice beltage! whats next after the belts...Hoses and the like?
Heres my progress.
Later AA dudes!
Gary
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Posted: Monday, March 18, 2013 - 02:42 AM UTC
Gary, Lookin' good so far. I've really neglected building half tracks, but you guys are peaking my interest.
Joel
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Posted: Monday, March 18, 2013 - 08:21 AM UTC
@Gary
Thanks for the comment. Nice work on that 7/2 chassis looks pretty neat to me.
@Robert
I know it´s very hard to tell proper colors with old black and white photos, this is a picture from PZ.I manual. It is retouched as usual with this kind of pictures but it only casts more doubts about colors.
I´ll not paint anything till all sub-assemblies are finished.
Today I took the day off and I want to finish the trailer for the Flakpanzer I. If I have time I´ll post some pictures.
Thanks for the comment. Nice work on that 7/2 chassis looks pretty neat to me.
@Robert
I know it´s very hard to tell proper colors with old black and white photos, this is a picture from PZ.I manual. It is retouched as usual with this kind of pictures but it only casts more doubts about colors.
I´ll not paint anything till all sub-assemblies are finished.
Today I took the day off and I want to finish the trailer for the Flakpanzer I. If I have time I´ll post some pictures.
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Posted: Monday, March 18, 2013 - 01:27 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, March 18, 2013 - 03:17 PM UTC
Hello again,
As promise I finished the Sd. Ah.51 trailer. The only thing I did not build is the tools. I usually build all of them in one or two seats when I´m in the PE+tools mode. Not today.
The model is very detailed and as usual for Dragon has some tiny parts. The sides of the box were a little warped but nothing so serious. I only replace the handles with proper gauge wire.
To the pictures. The first one is the sub-assemblies.
And here is the trailer with the sub-assemblies not glued yet.
Next task will be the gun. Hope for next week end.
Till then.
Raul.
As promise I finished the Sd. Ah.51 trailer. The only thing I did not build is the tools. I usually build all of them in one or two seats when I´m in the PE+tools mode. Not today.
The model is very detailed and as usual for Dragon has some tiny parts. The sides of the box were a little warped but nothing so serious. I only replace the handles with proper gauge wire.
To the pictures. The first one is the sub-assemblies.
And here is the trailer with the sub-assemblies not glued yet.
Next task will be the gun. Hope for next week end.
Till then.
Raul.
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Posted: Monday, March 18, 2013 - 11:08 PM UTC
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@Gary
@Robert
I know it´s very hard to tell proper colors with old black and white photos, this is a picture from PZ.I manual. It is retouched as usual with this kind of pictures but it only casts more doubts about colors.
thanks Raul - was going to look for something similar.. looking at the sidewalls - what I am seeing (my eyes only of course) is white/pale which has rubbed off to show darker undreneath... now that could be grey but possibly what we see is the grey and red are a similar grey tone (perhaps).. what does jump out is just how dark the transmission(?) housing is.. perhaps on further inspection this example has the interior all white apart form the transmission... that would give us 3 colours
1) white/cream all over
2) dark patches = primer (red/brown?) showing through
3) dark grey for the transmission
my reference (sorry lost the URL) says:
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Crew Compartments For the first part of the war, and probably before the war, the official paint scheme for tank crew compartments mandated that this red colour be completely overpainted. There were two colours used; an ivory colour for the upper part of the compartment, and a grey-green colour for the lower part.
This grey-green is still something of a mystery. Despite extensive research, Mr. Doyle has not yet found its number. I compared a sample of it to an *incomplete* RAL colour chart, and found the closest match to be RAL 7033. In this lower area, the grey-green covered just about everything. Transmission boxes and other modules, which were perhaps manufactured separately, got this same colour. Torsion bars, levers, storage boxes, etc. were painted uniformly grey-green. In late 1942, the manufacturers were ordered to stop using the grey-green paint, and leave the bottom of the tank in its original red primer (see above). This was definitely a step backwards in terms of ergonomics – the red paint was quite dark. But when you look in the late-war vehicles, red primer is what you find down below. Sometimes you will find a red lower area with a grey-green transmission box or turret motor, probably because items could be stockpiled for some time before use.
The colour for the upper part of the interior is no mystery. It was RAL 1001, then called Elfenbein, i.e. Ivory. (Note: if you buy a modern RAL colour book, you will find that the name Elfenbein has been moved to another colour! Trust the numbers, not the names.) This I would describe as a pale beige, or deep cream colour. During 1941 and 1942, some manufacturers were sent letters ordering them to "stop using Beige for the interior and return to the original colour". What Beige means is not recorded; probably they were using one of the new North African colours to save money. This indicates that while we may discover the official rules for painting, we can’t say that they apply to 100% of actual vehicles. Within this ivory area of the tank, all items of what I would call "working machinery" were painted black. This includes MG mounts, movable handles, vision ports, gearboxes and handwheels, etc. Also, it seems that every equipment stowage point was labelled, by hand at first, and later with a decal.
so perhaps we really do see this (may paint my transmission black) showing in this photo
OS - the trailer looks good... will put photos of mine up soon (plus the painting I have done - red/brown primer and grey for floor.....)
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Posted: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 - 02:04 AM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 - 02:26 AM UTC
Looking good everyone, Raul and Phil!
BTW Phil... SNOW? If you don't show any pictures of it, it never happened!
~ Jeff
BTW Phil... SNOW? If you don't show any pictures of it, it never happened!
~ Jeff
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Posted: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 - 01:24 PM UTC
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Posted: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 - 02:04 PM UTC
Philippe, lucky. I just saw the weather forecast for this week. Snow in New York and Michigan, I however don't live in either of those states.
Been thinking about my build and I found this picture;
I think I'll go with that. Save my D-Day idea for later.
Been thinking about my build and I found this picture;
I think I'll go with that. Save my D-Day idea for later.