Thanks for the kind words Longknife.
To answer your question, I'm going with the tanish-brown and slate blue camo scheme. I temporarily have had my fill of NMF, and besides, since Mozzys were made of plywood, it would have been painted silver, not had a NMF. One overall shade of silver paint doesn't seem as interesting to me as either NMF or the camo scheme. I have to agree though, the blue in the camo seems like it would be more obvious than just silver. perhaps they were going more for the disruptive type of camo (that makes your target harder to identify) than the blend-in type. Or maybe they were going with a comprimise over flying over desert and flying over the sea?
Here is a profile of the aircraft I am going to do:
this is as it appeared just before operation musketteer. I am assuming it received its yellow and black stripes in a similar style to its squadron stable mates for the suez crisis.
BTW, most profiles suggest the tan and blue over a light gray bottom, but some pictures look shinier or more mettalic than gray would be. For example, the one picture actually depicting my subject:
Does anyone know if the camo might have been sprayed directly over the former silver color of the aircraft, and the bottom left in silver?
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vanize
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Posted: Friday, June 23, 2006 - 02:55 AM UTC
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Hey Gary
Don't feel intimidated mate.
This site is for everybody and all different approaches and skills, not for comparison but for showing and talking about what we are modelling or interested in.
I must say I find this one of the friendliest model sites and I have received alot of help from people here.
Get stuck in and lets give those wingy things some more targets!
Cheers
Dus
Right you are Dus. Thanks for the advice. I know this is a great site and to hear from all of you has been truly fantastic. I'm in it and on it!
The best,
Gary
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Posted: Friday, June 23, 2006 - 01:34 PM UTC
Ooops.
Vanice, now you're scaring me with your talk of NMF, silver and camo. I too get the feeling that the grey on all profiles really should be plain unpainten aluminium. At least on the P 51's. I mean, the difference in colour is small, the belly doesn't really reflect as much as the top would and finally, painting is heavy job just as much as pait is heavy in itself.
The swedish airforce got weird fighters from all over the world (Fiat CR 42, Reggiane 2000, P 35 seversky and Gladiators) during WWII and we let them be as they were painted from the factory. It wasn't until the calmer days in 1946, when the Vampires arrived, that we took time to paint in a common scheme.
BTW: The instrument trimming looks great, but is that drybrushing or fiddling about with a 0000-brush too?
Vanice, now you're scaring me with your talk of NMF, silver and camo. I too get the feeling that the grey on all profiles really should be plain unpainten aluminium. At least on the P 51's. I mean, the difference in colour is small, the belly doesn't really reflect as much as the top would and finally, painting is heavy job just as much as pait is heavy in itself.
The swedish airforce got weird fighters from all over the world (Fiat CR 42, Reggiane 2000, P 35 seversky and Gladiators) during WWII and we let them be as they were painted from the factory. It wasn't until the calmer days in 1946, when the Vampires arrived, that we took time to paint in a common scheme.
BTW: The instrument trimming looks great, but is that drybrushing or fiddling about with a 0000-brush too?
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Posted: Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 09:17 PM UTC
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Vanice, now you're scaring me with your talk of NMF, silver and camo. I too get the feeling that the grey on all profiles really should be plain unpainten aluminium. At least on the P 51's. I mean, the difference in colour is small, the belly doesn't really reflect as much as the top would and finally, painting is heavy job just as much as pait is heavy in itself.
Interesting to hear you have suspicions about the p-51s as well. They too were in NMF before recieving the tan & blue camo. Do you know of any pics on the web that shows a mustang with that camo scheme and a possible NMF? I'll look. If I find any, I am going to seriously think about a silver belly for my mozzy.
BTW, if any readers can disprove this silver/NMF underside conjecture, please do so!
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BTW: The instrument trimming looks great, but is that drybrushing or fiddling about with a 0000-brush too?
actually both - well, not a 0000 (I don't own one of those), but maybe an 00 brush. Also I used a sharpened silver color pencil (prismacolor brand in this case) as well. So basically I lightly drybrushed to bring up the overall detail (also makes it easier to pick out what to paint), painted some details (mostly switches, piping, seats, belts, and knobs) on top of that, and then highlighted the instrument bezels and a few other things with the color pencil.
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Posted: Saturday, June 24, 2006 - 09:24 PM UTC
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BTW, if any readers can disprove this silver/NMF underside conjecture, please do so!
well, this pic of a mosquito in tan and blue certainly seems to have a gray belly, so maybe I am just stirring up panick for no good reason:
Also I found a vintage picture of a Dassault Oranagans in the tan and blue. It has NMF wingtip tanks, and its nose wheel door is in about the same light and is a different shade and not as shiny - must be gray.
Of course, that was probably a couple years later, and the picture of the particular mosquito I want to model still looks like it may have a silver belly...
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Posted: Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 02:46 AM UTC
Hi all!
Not even two months into the campaign, and people are making incredible progress. Here is an updated list. As you see, we have some great new entries!
Amongst other things, we have our first helicopter! This was an early era for helo's, with some fine examples participating in the conflict (on all sides)!
The list sure makes a first time campaign leader proud! I will be sending all of you participants a message, asking you to confirm your entries.
Vanice - Awesome work on that cockpit! :-)
And hey! - With Sweden out of the World Cup, I might even be able to get some building done next week...
Cheers!
Not even two months into the campaign, and people are making incredible progress. Here is an updated list. As you see, we have some great new entries!
Amongst other things, we have our first helicopter! This was an early era for helo's, with some fine examples participating in the conflict (on all sides)!
The list sure makes a first time campaign leader proud! I will be sending all of you participants a message, asking you to confirm your entries.
Vanice - Awesome work on that cockpit! :-)
And hey! - With Sweden out of the World Cup, I might even be able to get some building done next week...
Cheers!
Posted: Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 03:07 AM UTC
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And hey! - With Sweden out of the World Cup, I might even be able to get some building done next week...
Hi there
As someone with absolutely no interest in football, I can't claim the World Cup as an excuse! :-) I guess I'd better make a start on my Thunderstreak soon...
All the best
Rowan
Posted: Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 03:21 AM UTC
Hi Bjorn.
Now the P47 is done Im happy to report Ive been able to make a start on the SeaFury. Its going to need some scratchbuilding,a whole tube of filler,,plenty of sanding and scraping and thats before I get to the nmf and making my own decals.
But at least Ive made a start however small.
Another tour starts tomorrow and then Im straight to Turkey for a holiday but I'll get stuck into it when I get back in mid July
Nige
Now the P47 is done Im happy to report Ive been able to make a start on the SeaFury. Its going to need some scratchbuilding,a whole tube of filler,,plenty of sanding and scraping and thats before I get to the nmf and making my own decals.
But at least Ive made a start however small.
Another tour starts tomorrow and then Im straight to Turkey for a holiday but I'll get stuck into it when I get back in mid July
Nige
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Posted: Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 04:31 AM UTC
The list is only a little over an hour old, and already there are changes! Much welcomed changes!
gbkrisch pinged me and announced that he is going to build an Egyptan SU-100!
Great news! Here's some inspiration that I found on the net. Personally, I'd go for the markings off the lower picture!
Merlin - You're absolutely right!
Cheers!
gbkrisch pinged me and announced that he is going to build an Egyptan SU-100!
Great news! Here's some inspiration that I found on the net. Personally, I'd go for the markings off the lower picture!
Merlin - You're absolutely right!
Cheers!
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Posted: Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 06:26 AM UTC
Oh - BTW Polarbear, I think I am dropping the Hawker Hunter idea for this campaign. I'll be starting a full time job coming next month, so i won't have as much modelling time as I thought I might. So I am going to stick with just the mosquito for now.
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Posted: Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 08:56 AM UTC
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gbkrisch pinged me and announced that he is going to build an Egyptan SU-100!Great news! Here's some inspiration that I found on the net. Personally, I'd go for the markings off the lower picture!
Wow, You read my mind Bjorn, I have been searching for Egyptian SU-100 marking info since we spoke.
Thanks,
Gary
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Posted: Sunday, June 25, 2006 - 03:33 PM UTC
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well, this pic of a mosquito in tan and blue certainly seems to have a gray belly, so maybe I am just stirring up panick for no good reason:
Well Vanize, I've made a decision - Grey belly. PolarBear showed a picture of mechs fitting rockets to a P 51 earlier, and it didn't look like straight alu to me.
Thanks for the tip with the pencil too. Will try to use that on my Vampire, 'cause the cockpit sure needs attention. A little note from bishop Brask there though(swedish expression) - I've yet to find decals for that one.
The SU100 btw, looks surprisingly much like the "Jagtpanther" that Porta, Sven and Oldfuchs toured russia with in the "Death on wheels" movie. Why not put in a driver with a tan top hat
Pedro
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Posted: Monday, June 26, 2006 - 02:38 AM UTC
My M4A4 has just arrived! Therefore I can start the build!
Being total Sherman nerd (esp. if it comes to Israeli Shermies) I have a few
questions:
1. Is it possible that the commanders hatch on M50 would be of the two piece
type or I'll have to fit it with one piece hatch ( I've sen a photo of M50 preserved
in a museum in Israel with the two piece commanders hatch, but on most of
'in-action' photos M50's sem to have the one piece hatch) ?
2. Can I use rear upper hull plate from HVSS M50 which has armored strip
welded to the edge or I must use the shorter plate from the original M4A4?
Well, thats for a start, I'm sure those wont be my last questions :-)
ps. the hull of my Sherm seems to have the correct lenght when compared with
the plans I have
Cheers
Grzegorz
Being total Sherman nerd (esp. if it comes to Israeli Shermies) I have a few
questions:
1. Is it possible that the commanders hatch on M50 would be of the two piece
type or I'll have to fit it with one piece hatch ( I've sen a photo of M50 preserved
in a museum in Israel with the two piece commanders hatch, but on most of
'in-action' photos M50's sem to have the one piece hatch) ?
2. Can I use rear upper hull plate from HVSS M50 which has armored strip
welded to the edge or I must use the shorter plate from the original M4A4?
Well, thats for a start, I'm sure those wont be my last questions :-)
ps. the hull of my Sherm seems to have the correct lenght when compared with
the plans I have
Cheers
Grzegorz
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Posted: Monday, June 26, 2006 - 03:18 AM UTC
Hi PEDRO, The commanders hatch would be the earlier two piece. Use the original M4A4 rear hull plate. The engine deck replace with one from the Tamiya M4 Early/ Italeri M4A1 etc. as these early M50s had the same engine deck. Mod the gun "cradle" (M50 part) by removing the lower cross member and attach to the rear edge of the upper hull. I used the air cleaners and exhaust from the M4 early kit on the rear engine bulkhead but am not sure if this is 100% accurate .
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Posted: Monday, June 26, 2006 - 03:46 AM UTC
Hi INDIA11A, Thenks for quick reply! I'll be scratching the upper engine deck,
using only the smaller armoured plate from the italeri kit. As to the exhaust
and air cleaners, I saw photos of preserved M50 without those, it seems
the standard M4A4 setup but it is HVSS M50 if that makes a difference?
(the above photo is from JungleJims album with nice walkaround of preserved M50
Cheers
Grzegorz
using only the smaller armoured plate from the italeri kit. As to the exhaust
and air cleaners, I saw photos of preserved M50 without those, it seems
the standard M4A4 setup but it is HVSS M50 if that makes a difference?
(the above photo is from JungleJims album with nice walkaround of preserved M50
Cheers
Grzegorz
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Posted: Monday, June 26, 2006 - 08:35 AM UTC
This is shaping up to be one of the coolest campaigns yet. I am going to try my best to finish these two before the deadline. Thanks, "Q"
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Posted: Monday, June 26, 2006 - 12:05 PM UTC
Red4wrote:
Thanks Matthew, and welcome to the Suez campaign! Great to see a British entry, having recently lost our one and only Hawker Hunter. Are you going to build the new Classic Airframes Canberra in 1/48?! From what I've seen, that model is extraordinary!
Cheers!
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This is shaping up to be one of the coolest campaigns yet. I am going to try my best to finish these two before the deadline.
Thanks Matthew, and welcome to the Suez campaign! Great to see a British entry, having recently lost our one and only Hawker Hunter. Are you going to build the new Classic Airframes Canberra in 1/48?! From what I've seen, that model is extraordinary!
Cheers!
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Posted: Monday, June 26, 2006 - 05:54 PM UTC
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LongKnifePolarBear showed a picture of mechs fitting rockets to a P 51 earlier, and it didn't look like straight alu to me.
Can anyone direct me to that picture? I've been wondering about the supplied rockets with my Testors P-51 kit. I'd really like to add them but I'm unsure if they are the correct ones. The ones supplied with the kit are in three tubes clustered together on one mounting point. I also have some left overs from a Tamiya kit that are single rockets (without tubes) which are mounted 1 rocket per pylon.
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Posted: Monday, June 26, 2006 - 06:45 PM UTC
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Thanks Matthew, and welcome to the Suez campaign! Great to see a British entry, having recently lost our one and only Hawker Hunter. Are you going to build the new Classic Airframes Canberra in 1/48?! From what I've seen, that model is extraordinary!
Cheers!
Not sure if I am going to uses the CA kit or the Italeri in 1/72. The Italeri kit has a different canopy on it so I need to research that a little before hand. Thanks for the support. "Q"
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Posted: Monday, June 26, 2006 - 06:55 PM UTC
VonCuda wrote:
Hi Hermon! This is from my post on the 10th of May:
The picture is found in Hellströms "J26 Mustang", page 165. The caption reads"The Suez crisis in 1956. Note that the rockets are of British rather than US type".
Cheers!
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Can anyone direct me to that picture?
Hi Hermon! This is from my post on the 10th of May:
The picture is found in Hellströms "J26 Mustang", page 165. The caption reads"The Suez crisis in 1956. Note that the rockets are of British rather than US type".
Cheers!
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Posted: Monday, June 26, 2006 - 07:49 PM UTC
I'm working on an SU-100 but in the meantime, enjoy a couple of ground targets from "Operation Musketeer" Suez Canal 1956
Egyptian JS-3
French M47
Egyptian JS-3
French M47
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Posted: Monday, June 26, 2006 - 09:52 PM UTC
PEDRO, The HVSS M50s had a different rear plate than the early ones. By the time the Israelis put HVSS on the M50s most of them had been re-engined to Diesels.
Doug
Doug
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Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 02:33 AM UTC
Thanks Doug, now I see the difference, the rear doors are shorter by aboult half
than the M4A4 doors. I have the Italeri M4A1 filters and exhaust in the spares box
somwhere, but I really cant figure out from any of the photos I've found, how was
it fit to the tank?
Grzegorz
than the M4A4 doors. I have the Italeri M4A1 filters and exhaust in the spares box
somwhere, but I really cant figure out from any of the photos I've found, how was
it fit to the tank?
Grzegorz
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Posted: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 - 04:05 AM UTC
PEDRO, I had the same problem. What I did was to not use the A4 exhaust and mount the A1 exhaust in its place as per the Italeri A1. I mounted the air filters in the same way as on an A1 (needed a bit of "surgery")!!! Hope this helps.
Doug
Doug
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Posted: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 - 08:42 AM UTC
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..... Are you going to build the new Classic Airframes Canberra in 1/48?! From what I've seen, that model is extraordinary!
Cheers!
Took the plunge and ordered it today. Hope to get cracking on my builds soon. I got two F-104s fto finish for IPMS Nationals in August. Hoping for two weeks or less to finish them up. Thanks, "Q"