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MatteBlack
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Posted: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 06:09 AM UTC
You certainly have good taste. San Francisco images are always tittilating.




But you probably meant more of the "stash."

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Posted: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 08:30 AM UTC
Matte Black I did mean the later but I understand the former. Great collection you have there!
Be good
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Posted: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 07:40 PM UTC
to me the said 249 looks more like a mk48 which is a 7.62 chambered variant of the 249 anythoughts?
MatteBlack
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Posted: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 - 09:41 PM UTC

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to me the said 249 looks more like a mk48 which is a 7.62 chambered variant of the 249 anythoughts?



Um, yeah... The "said 249" fires 5.56 pretty handily.
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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 12:36 AM UTC
Cool "stash" man!
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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 12:38 AM UTC
Wow some pretty interesting stuff there! That hand grip on the M240, does it actually fire the gun or just there to hold on to?And are those Stirling sub machine guns as well?-where did they come from??

Certainly and interesting selection of kit! Thanks for sharing these pics, look forward to some humvee updates.
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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 12:46 AM UTC
You seem to forget, the M240 is a squad support machine gun, so it is carried around by a person at times so it is not uncommon that it has a regular grip on it.
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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 03:18 AM UTC

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Wow some pretty interesting stuff there! That hand grip on the M240, does it actually fire the gun or just there to hold on to?And are those Stirling sub machine guns as well?-where did they come from??

Certainly and interesting selection of kit! Thanks for sharing these pics, look forward to some humvee updates.


Both... Without the hand grip it'll have the traditional buttstock...
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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 04:10 AM UTC
They showed the Sterlings in an issue of Soldier of Fortune a few years ago on Dumvees in Iraq....they remove the windshield and hang the sterlings by a bungee cord from up near the roof....the use them b/c they are easy for the driver to shoot one-handed. Kind of cool.

Rob
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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 04:51 AM UTC
The M240 shown in Matt's picture of above is type classified as the M240D. The spade grips enable it to be fired similar to the firing set-up that you see on the M2 .50 cal. Don't confuse the calibers however. The M240 fires the 7.62 x 51 Nato type classifed bullet where as the M2 .50 cal fires the 12.7mm Nato type classified bullet.

The M240D was developed and fielded to replace the M60D's that have been used on vehicles and aircraft since Vietnam. Today, these are used extensively by SF units on an assortment of vehicles and are commonly seen on UH-60 Blackhawks just to name a few. When mounted on these platforms. It is much easier for the vehicle crewman or aircraft crewmember to fire the M240D than the standard stock M240B.


M240B


M240D


Good informational reading for those of you interested in M240's
M240 Family of MGs

And to point out a couple of other items of interest on the photo of the M240:
1. Black object on top is the fairly new AIMPOINT M4 CCO (Close Combat Optic)
2. The black rectangular device on the right side of the weapon is either a AN/PEQ-2 or AN/PAQ-4C laser/IR target pointer/designator. I can't quit see enough detail to tell for sure what specific model it is. More information on them here:
Insight Technology

Great build log Matt and some outstanding photos of "real world" equipment for the modelers. I was really suprised to see the two Sterling SMG's in your photo.
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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 04:58 AM UTC
They're license made under FN Herstal are they?
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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 05:07 AM UTC

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They're license made under FN Herstal are they?



FN received the DoD contract and are the sole source supplier.
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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 07:29 PM UTC

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Um, yeah... The "said 249" fires 5.56 pretty handily.



What, no broken operating rods? You're obviously doing something wrong!
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Posted: Thursday, March 06, 2008 - 10:13 PM UTC
You always manage to give us something fascinating to look at. I to was expecting something in 1/35 scale and did a double take when I saw what you had on your desk.

-Matt
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Posted: Friday, March 07, 2008 - 05:25 AM UTC

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to me the said 249 looks more like a mk48 which is a 7.62 chambered variant of the 249 anythoughts?



Um, yeah... The "said 249" fires 5.56 pretty handily.



i only noted that as the links look more 7.62 than 5.56 maybe its the angle
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Posted: Friday, March 07, 2008 - 06:00 AM UTC

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to me the said 249 looks more like a mk48 which is a 7.62 chambered variant of the 249 anythoughts?



Um, yeah... The "said 249" fires 5.56 pretty handily.



i only noted that as the links look more 7.62 than 5.56 maybe its the angle



The M249 can fire from both a linked belt of ammunition and from a standard M-16 30rd magazine. One way you can tell the difference between a M249 and M240 (if you can see the left side of the said weapon) is the M249 has a magazine well just below the feed tray opening where the belted ammo feeds in. The magazine well is visible as a result of it having a hinged "door" which enables a standard 30rd M-16 magazine to be inserted.. It is not the ideal way to fire the weapon however. 30rd magazines are used only in emergencies. Otherwise the weapon uses 200rd belts fed from a rigid plastic case or 100rd belts from a "soft pack" ammo bag. Both the 200rd rigid case and the 100rd "soft pack/assault pack" attach to the bottom of the receiver via a locking rail system.

We affectionately called the 100rd "soft packs/assault packs" nut sacks in my last unit.

The M240 fires from a linked belt only.

They carry handles on both weapons have significantly different appearances as well.



Here is an airsoft picture but the concept is the same:


HTH
medic23
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Posted: Friday, March 07, 2008 - 06:09 AM UTC
MK 48



MK48 with a "nutsack"

and i know all bout the 249 as its my assigned weapon; i was asking because the link looks like 7.62 not 5.56 from that angle
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Posted: Friday, March 07, 2008 - 06:23 AM UTC
Understood. Good pictures by the way.

Do you have an Elcan scope issued for yours? If so, how do you like it?
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Posted: Friday, March 07, 2008 - 06:30 AM UTC
Not related to the DUMVEE, but on the M-240 topic....

On the helicopters we use the 240H not the 240D. It looks similar but has the "hand guard". Also the bag with the weapon includes the standard buttstock and pistol grip so if we have to dismount the aircraft we can employ the weapon much better than the old M-60D with only a spade grip and butterfly trigger.

By the way that is a sweet collection of "recovered pieces". We had a small and not as exotic collection during my deployment, but the home made RPG was pretty impressive.

-Dan
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Posted: Friday, March 07, 2008 - 12:30 PM UTC
Say... Matte you're on active duty?
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Posted: Monday, March 10, 2008 - 07:14 AM UTC
Matt Black
You certainly have some fine artifacts in your new and used shop, must come in handy.
Frenchy sent me this a while back and I thought I'd show it here for your comments. It is in Afghanistan I know but do you ever see M1114's configured like these?
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Hope you are well
Bill
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Posted: Monday, March 10, 2008 - 07:41 AM UTC
Bill, those look like the Ranger guntrucks from that video I showed you of Jesse James talking to them and firing off that minigun. I remember there were one or two 240Bs in the back on scissor mounts for rear security. But that was Iraq, never seen photos of this particular version in Afghanistan. Very interesting

Jeff
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Posted: Monday, March 10, 2008 - 08:33 AM UTC
Jeff
You have to love them HMMWV's.
Hope you are well
Bill
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Posted: Monday, March 10, 2008 - 11:44 AM UTC
However, my long awaited Lion Roar etch sets, having nearly circumnavigated the globe, are finally here. Thanks for the tip on that set, whoever it was. A couple of bucks for this much PE is definitely a bargain.

Glad you got some Lion Roar - I suggested it. There is a ton of p/e for just some scratch.....

Great thread guys - Im jealous though I only get to play with knives at my job. Those are super shots of small arms, arn't there also WW2 Soviet SMGs around???

Chris
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Posted: Monday, March 10, 2008 - 11:11 PM UTC
Chris
your so your response begs the question, what profession uses knives exclusively, are you a surgeon?
The Lion Roar etch is certainly very nice.
Bill