Dioramas: Water Effects
Water! A sometimes intimidating effect.
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 01:29 AM UTC
Thanks Kenneth friend, I use want to create a visual effect just like the sun rises or there is a projector illuminating the scene, good way to sort of orientate the way the viewer will see the diorama.

Nice to see you there too Primož! Only 2 weeks to go yet

You are pretty right Scott, but those were halfway pics, and I don't know how to use my airbrush.
Btw, I want to thank you for your excellent SBS, because my Premi Air G35 works tremendously well despite having a terrible old compressor whose air flow I can't control.

Hi Nico! happy to have you following the thread too

Hi Steve. Most of those paints I bought there:
http://www.oupsmodel.com/index.php?cPath=20_104_256
good French mail order service, but very recently a friend gave a tip for those who are apparently very reliable and cheap:
http://www.ericyymodel.com/
The real problem I see fro figure modellers like you is that I found out they worked best with an airbrush. BUT, a weird property of those is that they sort of never set -if you put a bit of solvent over the paint, it dilutes again. Which means you can use them a bit like oils on shadows.. I tried only in places that were semi hidden, but it looked like the trick is done. So sure really great, but be cautious when using them for a knight's armour for instance.
I didn't find any real SBS about using them, and the only own I found (a French airy guy), was quite inexact concerning the properties of the paint.
This however helped me:
http://codyscoop.com/ht-paint.html

Libor "short modelling life"?!! Looks like you fell in it when you were born
A neat little model that Bronco car, good luck to you

Claude I hoped neither you, nor Carlos, nor Guy, nor Alex, nor anybody that consider buildings seriously would actually notice that one but I was wrong obviously . I actually regret having writing this (like we say here "don't shoot the ambulance"), but on Friday evening I drank 4 beers while my upper limit is 3 so I had a bit of headache on that morning! uh well, can't edit it anymore now you quoted me

Matthew you have the gift for foreseeing things as indeed the ball turret will be outside and if you calculate the angle of the light from the pics below you can mostly see which position compared to the hull that one will be

let's finish the airbrush job now:
Applying the silver paint on the high highlights

leave the rear right in the darkness

Whats' the word already "rub and buff"? anyway, stroking the metal with a brush makes the bump popping out

next step will be weathering the thing..






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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 04:23 AM UTC
JB,
Ever so curious as to how you will 'connect' the turret with the battered chunk of fuselage! Thank goodness you are a rather prolethic builder so we don't have to wait too long between installments.
Keep it up!
Cheers,
Charles
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 04:25 AM UTC

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Claude I hoped neither you, nor Carlos, nor Guy, nor Alex, nor anybody that consider buildings seriously would actually notice that one but I was wrong obviously . I actually regret having writing this (like we say here "don't shoot the ambulance"), but on Friday evening I drank 4 beers while my upper limit is 3 so I had a bit of headache on that morning! uh well, can't edit it anymore now you quoted me



HAHAHA that what we call la bière de trop. Next one at home.

Perfect highlights on this wreck my friend. That's pretty great pics.
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 05:41 AM UTC
Hi JB !
NICE ONE there, my friend !!!!! Your ball turret REALLY looks the part now ! Like Charles, I too will be wondering how the turret will finally be attached to the ruined fuselage of the plane . Until the next installment, cheers, JB !
Kenneth .
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 07:32 AM UTC
Nice work JBA!
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 10:09 AM UTC
Great job, JBA, these paints are really good ones and I am actually thinking to use them for whole BR 86 loco build, because I have very special painting scheme in my mind.
By the way, they say I fell when I was born, but on the floor, headfirst Building the kits I started last year
Cheers
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 12:23 PM UTC
Jean, this project is just brilliant !
And I was amazed of seeing all the stages of the construction.
I admire your work very much.Thank you for sharing all the stuff.
keep up surprising us...
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 07:57 PM UTC
I don't want to give you a big head, but WOWSERS! Monsieur André, awesome work my friend! I just wish I could see where you're going with this... I still can't work it out... especially since this is in the 'Water' diorama sub-group
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Posted: Sunday, September 27, 2009 - 09:31 PM UTC
The body language of the gunner seems to suggest someone resigned to their fate...
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 08:35 PM UTC
Indeed Charles you won't have to wait loads to see how it finally goes, just look below!
The thing is, the turret *rolled put* the fuselage. Loads of objects in life can really like something else when put out of context, when you just put out the ball turret, suddenly it looks part Gundam, part TIE fighter, something straight out of Popular Mechanics. i said it tons of times but for me SF is useless as man already invented the coolest things. No way i was about to put that Ball turret in the wreck itself

Thanks Alexandre

Thank you Kenneth! Your own diorama is the best surprise I saw in a while in those forums, I can tell you

Thanks as usual Martyn

Libor those paints are indeed great, but err, Where did I read that those old trains had more than 500 grease points, I really can't imagine a silver train staying silver forever
Starting kits last year, oh well, who says you have to start from the bottom

Zisis, I appreciate the compliment, you are also a hell of great scratchbuilder, your own ambulance bike is fine and slightly eccentric, love that

Monsieur Richardson, très heureux to see you here water effects yes, no diorama i ever did would be without water effects
well, i didn't say those would be sea or even stream!

Indeed David, I wonder what would be my body language if I had just taken a 20mm bullet in the chest like it probably happen to the guy. I tried to think of this but I think for my sanity it is really better to have bury him in the Turret as absolutely nothing can be seen from outside except some bit of foot once I put the glasses

And indeed I just will!
This old airy guys trick: Microscale Microclear. It's a sort of extremely thick varnish. The trick is to cover your brush with it -and the brush must have roughly the same size as the opening. Then in one single stroke you manage to cover every outer part of the window with the brush, and take back the brush, and the varnish covers the openings!

Now I was sort of stupid as I should have manage the surface to be even on the big round bit, because when it dried, it sort of kept the "volume" the stroke left.



bah, no problem, this particular bit of glass will be shattered anyway

test fitting...
You know in Lovecraft books, *angles* are supposed to drive guys crazy when they are particularly malevolent. let's try to be a bit malevolent with those angles. Now finding the *exact place* for all the elements was a real time consuming job. Now this is still not the exact final place.




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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 10:21 PM UTC
Yo Jba,

Ok, finaly we can see a pic of the setting...its looks good to me, i cant wait to see the water aspect you will put in to it.

Alé...a bientot!

Greetz Nico
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2009 - 10:30 PM UTC
This is really beautiful-and correct me if I'm wrong-the first time I've noted a reference to HP Lovecraft in a model building article!

Nice work-thanks for sharing.

M
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Posted: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 02:18 AM UTC

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Yo Jba,

Ok, finaly we can see a pic of the setting...its looks good to me, i cant wait to see the water aspect you will put in to it.

Alé...a bientot!

Greetz Nico



think i have finaly worked it out !!! the water effects confused me , and how the turret was away from the fuselage , also how the gunner was painted confused me ...

but it looks like this is going to be an exceptionaly good sea bed scene !!
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Posted: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 02:59 AM UTC
Ah JB,
It all comes together clearly now! I can see this piece finished in my mind's eye. I can't wait to see the "water effect" applied to this piece.
Another stunning JBA Original.
Kudos to you,

Awaiting the finale,
Charles
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Posted: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 03:52 AM UTC
Hi JB !
So that's how the ball turret will be "used" in the final diorama !!!!!! BRILLIANT, my friend ! This is truly a master at work ! Like the others, I await the final installment with bated breath . Cheers !
Kenneth .

P.S. Thanks for the positive comment about my diorama, JB; I'm really honored that you like it .
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Posted: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 06:14 AM UTC
I sense the grand finale coming soon!
Be prepared
C.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 10:05 AM UTC
Well Jean Bernard, i for my part did not take your rant for one of my buildings but for the Miniart stuff (or did i missunderstood everything LOL). Anyway, back to the topic, you took a great risk in appyling the Microscale stuff. How does this dry? Hard and breakable or more bubblegummy?

And, raising my hand, i also bought a Premi Air G35 based on Scotts review.

Salut
Claude

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Posted: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 07:02 PM UTC
JBA, the composition of your layout is great ! I like the way you positioned the items, but I also like the empty space before them.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 08:20 PM UTC
thank you Nico! The water aspect will be added at the very end..

Matthew indeed Lovecraft is a huge influence of mine, because in his works, people feel stuff without seeing anything, everything malevolent happening is "unspeakable". I sort of tend with that in my dioramas, you can "feel" something without there be anything really odd to see. well that's the plan anyway In this diorama there should be "tentacles" by the end too Thanks for the comments!

Nonono Paul I am not into water bed effects without water. My friend Serge at SPMaquettes.com is the best at that in my mind. No here the water effects is already being written with a pen on the plaster surface if you look at closely! Thanks for commenting!!

yeah, nice from you Charles as usual, still, as you know, the diorama is not finished yet, and so many things can happen that might blow away the final result.
As usual in my work -and more and more lately- *everything is in the way it is painted*

Kenneth, I think everybody here at Kitmaker should be honoured that you posted such a refreshing totally good and different diorama here

Aha, actually i have absolutely nothing against Miniart, their stuff is reasonably creative, reasonable well done, and really ideal for beginners. No, the ones I don't like here (and see my eyes glowing red) are the spammers that pollute those forums with shameless self promotion for substandard products -and that bump their threads above honest work at every occasion. (but can we stay just right here for this, honest, I should make my views more private sometimes, curse the bottle )
About building themselves, I *love* doing buildings, particularly admire yours, Carlos etc works, but i didn't make any in the last 4 years, I always used plaster because i believe only the original material is close enough to the real thing (no cork for me). Maybe my new batch of ideas will lead me closer for buildings but well, for the moment, i am with sea and boats usually

About the Microscale Microclear, it indeed dries rubbery, honestly it was great for the small windows, for the big one, there is a slight deformation but no problem as that one will end up shattered. But really shattering a rubber window was pretty hard to do! I had to do use a very sharp and new scalpel blade and be very cautious, or it acts like basically bubblegum, it deforms but doesn't "break".

yeah Scott's review is great, thanks again Scott! My airbrush works like a charm, is heavy and cleans easily, fantastic!!

Indeed Guy, the empty space in front will do everything by the end (I hope) !!

This pictures shows all about under painting and trying to plan water effects with hastily cut piece of paper
the paint is various Vallejo roughly applied with a brush, a 20mn long job.


I have been gluing directly the hull section on the base because it will be better for me to plan shadows when really painting the base.
I first airbrushed some black/ dark brown undercoat..

And then I painted with my wet on wet technique: some water is getting brushed on the right place then alternative and blend brush strokes of either brownish red or black paint, and when the stuff begins to dry some black or dark brown pigments..



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Posted: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 10:01 PM UTC

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Indeed Guy, the empty space in front will do everything by the end (I hope) !!



I knew it !
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Posted: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 - 10:58 PM UTC
Hello JB,

Long time we didn't speak !
Sorry but I didn'"t catch the idea of you dio : a broken plane on the beach ?
The building of the bulb is fantastic ! I went to the musée de l'armée last week end and took picture of one of that round thing. Are you interested in having those pics ?
Keep the good work,
Julien
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Posted: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 01:24 AM UTC
JB - I love the color blending on this update. The colors used and the transitions are great.
Glad the AB review helped you out. I use my Premiair brush all the time.

I think by the time you get done; this project will really stand out and everyone will love it. I really think people will like the end result.
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Posted: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 01:57 PM UTC
JBA,
I said it before, and I'll say it again... It's a pleasure to see a master at work! I can't wait to see where this is going. Great stuff !
Kirk
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Posted: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 09:07 PM UTC
Thanks for checking Guy

Hi Julien, nice to see you here! No it's not on a beach, more on an airfield if you ask me, there is no sand just a bit of flat mud and/or concrete, can't decide which.
Thanks for offering to give the pictures you took! Well as you know the turret is finished by now, but why not posting those here? providing you have the time of course
As for the idea (and a reminder from the first page to newcomers is not necessary a bad thing), the diorama's idea is more or less tied to that poem from an American poet called Randall Jarrell
From my mother's sleep I fell into the State,
And I hunched in its belly till my wet fur froze.
Six miles from earth, loosed from the dream of life,
I woke to black flak and the nightmare fighters.
When I died they washed me out of the turret with a hose.

Thanks Scott oh people who spot this thread are supposed to like what i am about so I will only have some compliments I suppose (providing the result is as good as I hope), the Flak and nightmare fighters I will have at Hyperscale and Missing Lynx, I can't wait

Thanks Kirk err, me too actually, you know I heard about Turner exposing one very dark painting just near one very colourful one in some exhibition. So nobody noticed Turner's work. So he came with a pot of red paint and just put one tiny bit of red just at the middle of his own painting, and then suddenly everybody began to notice . All that to say that I perfectly know there's one single brush stroke that can make the difference, and yet we are only at the very firsts of those brush strokes ehe

So well, here are some extra fire traces on the outside, those are painted in a much clearer tint than the interior of the fuselage. Plenty of pigments fixed with paint too.

The extra browning gets the same treatment

Ah, that's me trying to paint just like I would do with oils with those hobby colour paints, it's errr, very hard to obtain, but eventually settle down in a most satisfactory way once I rub it with a dry brush.


let's start to paint the ground. NO drybrush, NEVER drybrush anything! that's some sort of wet on wet technique. I see here and there some guys that say you have to seal the plaster with white glue or paint or whatever, nope I say, if you do that you just wipe out plaster striong point : it *drinks* paint More on that another day.



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Posted: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 - 09:56 PM UTC
aha !! is it washing down after an airfield crash landing and fire , if he was already dead there would be no need to risk removing him for a crash landing

possibly a scene of horrors ! but very well portrayed !!