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Posted: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 03:32 PM UTC
Oh, & Gary,
Check your emails!
Joe.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 - 03:56 PM UTC

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Okay Gary,
Anything you can get I'll be mightily grateful.
Watch that rain, though!
Joe.



if it rains, lets hope that it holds off for the better part of a week! All the streams south of me are almost out of their banks right now. Last time they were like that this time of the year; we had some very bad flooding down that way. Besides, I need to go fishing!
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Posted: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 02:51 AM UTC
Gary,
Hope you don't mind me being real cheeky and asking if you wouldn't mind letting me have any photos you get?
Like Joe I'm into modelling the Vietnam war era stuff and any reference is always gratefully received.
And Joe I hope you don't mind me jumping on your thread like this?
Cheers
David
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Posted: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 04:21 AM UTC

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Gary,
Hope you don't mind me being real cheeky and asking if you wouldn't mind letting me have any photos you get?
Like Joe I'm into modelling the Vietnam war era stuff and any reference is always gratefully received.
And Joe I hope you don't mind me jumping on your thread like this?
Cheers
David



what are you looking for? I have a park south of me that has a lot of equipment parked in it. Most is cold war stuff. The M110 is a late model one. The Ontos is slightly different than the kit (I think I may have another difference yet). There is a couple of nice M41's, an M42, an M113 with the "hammerhead missile launcher",
a pair of M60's, a very early APC, an Honest John rocket launcher truck, as well as another Honest John setup. There's also a good bit of WWII and Korean war stuff in there. But alas the one piece I need pictures of the most right now is a M48a3, and of the pieces of equipment down there, there is not one!

anyway, any photo I have is yours for the asking. You also might want to touch base with Joe as I sent him a small handfull of photos of an arty unit's base camp
(a 155 towed unit)
gary
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Posted: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 - 10:24 AM UTC
Gary & Joe PM's sent to you both.
Cheers
David
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Posted: Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 11:20 AM UTC
No problem, Dave, jumping on the thread. We're all here to help each other out.
I'll get the photos sorted out for you & sent over. Let me know your email.
Oh, & Gary, I'm back buddy!
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, April 16, 2010 - 05:58 AM UTC

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Gary & Joe PM's sent to you both.
Cheers
David



check your email. More to follow
gary
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Posted: Friday, April 16, 2010 - 06:26 AM UTC

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check your email. More to follow
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Gary,
Thanks for those and I wait with baited breath for the next lot!
Cheers
David
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Posted: Friday, April 16, 2010 - 01:02 PM UTC

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check your email. More to follow
gary


Gary,
Thanks for those and I wait with baited breath for the next lot!
Cheers
David



I cannot tell you why, but when I upload photos off an SD card it just mixes them up and literally becomes a quagmire! Never in any certain order. I think I'll start using several cards, and then create folders for each one in the future. I have another two batches of M42, and M26 photos that are lost somewhere on my desk top! Never have this problem with a Compact Flash or XD card. So expect more to come your way from time to time. Joe's got some pictures from the Special Forces camp we used as a base camp if your interested. It's all towed guns and generic stuff.
gary
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Posted: Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 05:51 AM UTC
Hi fellas,
When the M108 or M109 was placed in a semi permanent position would the crew have small arms?
Would they carry M16's & sidearms?
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Posted: Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 08:08 AM UTC
Yes, you always carry weapons. They were most likely issued M16s, but would try to acquire M1911s as well (easier to carry). Usually, when not in use, weapons are stacked in a tee-pee shaped pile called Stack Arms near the gun for easy access.





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Posted: Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 10:17 AM UTC
Hi Gino,
Okay, thanks for the info.
Hope you are keeping well, by the way.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 01:35 PM UTC

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Yes, you always carry weapons. They were most likely issued M16s, but would try to acquire M1911s as well (easier to carry). Usually, when not in use, weapons are stacked in a tee-pee shaped pile called Stack Arms near the gun for easy access.




I see guys often place small arms all the time close by an artillary piece getting ready to fire. You just try to avoid that idea unless you like cleaning and cleaning and cleaning rifles. I have been in areas where rifles were kept at hand, but we always covered them with a towl or something else to prevent all the dust kicked up from entering every crevice. As a rule we just hung them inside the bunker. The Section Chief carried a 45 as well as the other two NCO's, but best not have that thing on your side in a firing position and be inside the trails or anywhere close to snagging on something. It's kind of a saftey issue. Now if your not part of the gun crew shooting, then you'll probably be armed (but not in the parapit). We had a young man learn the hard way what happens when the wooden knob snags on a 45 holster in Charlie Battery.
Inside every bunker there's a stack of 7.62 and .223 ammo boxes uncrated. It's useally not far behind the doorway in a centeral location that everybody knows by feel in the dark. Hopefully you never have to make the dash back in there for a few belts, but you never take that issue for granted. We also kept one can of 7.62 and two cans of .223 in the powder bunker and the same under a cover close to the HE rounds. Normally that's what you will go after first. I might add here that a lot of squads liked to set their M60 up on a tripod, but others didn't. We didn't.
gary



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Posted: Saturday, April 24, 2010 - 07:29 PM UTC
Hi Gary,
Now that is some quality information there, my friend. You really do provide detailed info that I can relate to a diorama. Now one can get a dio as accurate as possible with the kind of info provided here.
BTW, I dont think I've ever seen an M60 on a tripod. What did the tripod look like?
Thanks again, Gary.
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 07:48 AM UTC

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Hi Gary,
Now that is some quality information there, my friend. You really do provide detailed info that I can relate to a diorama. Now one can get a dio as accurate as possible with the kind of info provided here.
BTW, I dont think I've ever seen an M60 on a tripod. What did the tripod look like?
Thanks again, Gary.
Joe.



Now I gotta think on this one a second or two. Seems to me that it was fairly similar to the one on the old Browning 30 caliber. Maybe not perfect, but similar in concept. I do remember that the cradle was attached to the reciever and then the cradle was mounted to the tripod. (you have to remember we're thinking back 42 years now!) Don't forget the orange juice can on the M60 reciever!! Somewhere I have a picture of me holding an M60 sans the tripod, but with the cradel attached to it. I look for it.
gary
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Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 08:20 AM UTC

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BTW, I dont think I've ever seen an M60 on a tripod. What did the tripod look like?



M60 on a tripod :



Frenchy
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Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 08:26 AM UTC
Hi Frenchy,
Top marks there, my boy! Now that's a great photo! I have to say, I've never seen an M60 on a tripod before.
Thanks, yet again, my friend.
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 08:28 AM UTC
Hi Gary,
Thanks for the info. I think Frenchy has supplied a good study of the tripod above but I'd love to see that photo of you with the '60.
I hope you find it!
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 08:40 AM UTC
Just found a better view of the pintle. This DoD picture is dated 1972, and I believe later pintles differ from this one (as Gary says, the tripod itself is similar to the M2 used with the .30 Cal machine gun) :

(nice rustically camouflaged helmet btw )

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Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 11:48 AM UTC
Hi Frenchy,
Yeah, that is a much better view of the pintle as the previous one is obscured by the strap.
And yes, I agree, the camouflage is very pretty!!!
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 05:45 PM UTC

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Hi Frenchy,
Yeah, that is a much better view of the pintle as the previous one is obscured by the strap.
And yes, I agree, the camouflage is very pretty!!!
Joe.



the one in the bottom photo is very similar to what I remember. I never saw one with the elevation lock on it (best way I can figure to discribe it). There is a hole in the center of the tripod that accepts the pin (about 30mm in diameter [note I'm trying my best to convert to the metric system]). Just remember to add the orange juice can under the belt so that the belts will actually drop down slightly into the gun's reciever (1.5mm tubing will be about right). Also if you plan on doing your scene in the summer months, keep in mind that it was common place to lay a towl or something cloth like over anything you put your hands on. They often get hot enough to leave blisters.

Just a note: I have no real idea exactly when I'm going down to FT Knox as of right now. I have a major problem going on right now, but hope to be down there in the next 14 days. So just bear with me a little bit (things are getting better day by day).
gary
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Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 05:50 PM UTC

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BTW, I dont think I've ever seen an M60 on a tripod. What did the tripod look like?



M60 on a tripod :



Frenchy



I can only say one thing about the photo! First Sargent Honneycutt would have been mad as a wet hen when he saw the condition of that gun!
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Posted: Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 06:21 PM UTC

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I can only say one thing about the photo! First Sargent Honneycutt would have been mad as a wet hen when he saw the condition of that gun!
gary



According to the original caption, it's a Deactivated War Trophy M60 at a Swap meet
http://www.topoutfitters.net/p/downloads.php?downcatID=37

Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 - 12:08 AM UTC
Was the M60 a good weapon?
Was it reliable & did the troops like it?
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 - 07:00 AM UTC

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I can only say one thing about the photo! First Sargent Honneycutt would have been mad as a wet hen when he saw the condition of that gun!
gary



According to the original caption, it's a Deactivated War Trophy M60 at a Swap meet
http://www.topoutfitters.net/p/downloads.php?downcatID=37

Frenchy



Ah, but you've never felt the wrath of my old first sargent when he was mad! I remember once that he was moved back to the battalion area to cover for the Sargent Major who was having surgery. He watch the changing of the guard formation going on, and noticed how the O.D. and the sargent of the guard inspected the guys going on guard. Walked up to them and did his own inspection! Results were very ugly. He actually threw a couple rifles and an M60 about twenty feet out into a mud puddle. The M60 bolt wouldn't cycle, and who knows what was wrong with the rifles. Ten minutes later they had another crew for guard duty and he fired them and the O.D. and Sargent Of The Guard. I was going back to the Division Paymaster's Office, and got put on guard duty while those REMF's cleaned and cleaned their weapons. But he also knew that my rifle and 45 would not miss a beat.

I liked the M60 till I got the chance to zing a couple belts thru an MG42 clone that shot 7.62 Nato. The M60 was a clunker compaired to that weapon. The M60 had a feeding problem that was alieved with the orange juice can. Was a pain to change a hot barrel on, but you learned to deal with the issues. Liked the rate of fire better than the MG42. But then again I could shoot the MG42 off hand much better than the 60. The M60 was a 28lb. hog, and got old carrying it. Where as the MG42 was lighter in weight, and a better burst weapon. This is the machine gun we should have had from day one.
gary