Question:
Are
M551 "Sheridan"
M1128 "Stryker AGS"
Centauro
FV 107 Scimitar
FV 101 Scorpion
light tanks?
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mmeier
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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2012 - 05:30 AM UTC
Tojo72
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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2012 - 09:04 AM UTC
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Question:
Are
M551 "Sheridan"
M1128 "Stryker AGS"
Centauro
FV 107 Scimitar
FV 101 Scorpion
light tanks?
Good question,I guess the Leader will be the final arbiter,but I would say the tracked vehicles would qualify as light,but not the wheeled vehicles."Just Saying"
Whiskey_1
Joined: November 22, 2008
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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2012 - 10:07 AM UTC
Have to agree with the above: tanks tend to have these metally thingies we call tracks 
mmeier
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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2012 - 10:40 AM UTC
Well in germany we call stuff like the Bundeswehr Fuchs and Luchs „Panzer" while anM113 is a „Transportwagen" so I ask, after all the two wheeled beast have a 105mm canon.
GaryKato
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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2012 - 01:05 PM UTC
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Well in germany we call stuff like the Bundeswehr Fuchs and Luchs „Panzer" while anM113 is a „Transportwagen" so I ask, after all the two wheeled beast have a 105mm canon.
"Panzer" just means "armor", not necessarily "tank". For example, "Panzerspaehwagen" means "Armored Car".
mmeier
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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2012 - 01:24 PM UTC
I Know, me Kraut 
But Spähpanzer = Reconnaissance tank, Transportpanzer= Transport tank (Luchs and Fuchs) and the Centauro is a Radpanzer = Wheeled tank. The latter is a tank in all respects and Luchs isn't to shabby either with the 20mm gun
But Spähpanzer = Reconnaissance tank, Transportpanzer= Transport tank (Luchs and Fuchs) and the Centauro is a Radpanzer = Wheeled tank. The latter is a tank in all respects and Luchs isn't to shabby either with the 20mm gun
GaryKato
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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2012 - 05:41 PM UTC
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I Know, me Kraut
But Spähpanzer = Reconnaissance tank, Transportpanzer= Transport tank (Luchs and Fuchs) and the Centauro is a Radpanzer = Wheeled tank. The latter is a tank in all respects and Luchs isn't to shabby either with the 20mm gun
Then a Panzerschiffe is a tank as well?
It does seem ridiculous for me to be arguing about this with someone from Germany, however I stand by my assertion that Panzer just means it is armored, not a tank. Spähpanzer = Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle, Transportpanzer= Armored Transport vehicle, (Luchs and Fuchs) and the Centauro is a Radpanzer = Armored Wheeled vehicle.
mmeier
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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2012 - 06:56 PM UTC
The germans have terms for both in official speak:
Gepanzert = Armored
Panzer = Tank
Rüstung = Personal armor as chain, plate, lorica segmentata etc.
The M113, BV206S or Boxer are "gepanzerte Transporter" (armored transports) while Marder is a Schützenpanzer
The Wiesel, having all characteristics of a light tank, is a Waffenträger (Weapon carrier) not a Panzer
The Fennek is a Leicher gepanzerter Spähwagen (Light armored recon vehicle) replacing the Luch Recon Tank
Naval parlance is different again. And the term "Panzerschiff" and "Panzerkreuzer" are only used ONCE in offical parlance (Deutschland class) and that because the class uses a translation of the french term cuirassé. Germany normally used terms like "Gedeckter" (Covered) Cruiser etc. in official parlance. "Panzerschiff" is a press term and pre-dates the modern "common use" of Panzer=Tracked, armored vehicle by at least a decade. There it really refered to as "armored like a knight"
Gepanzert = Armored
Panzer = Tank
Rüstung = Personal armor as chain, plate, lorica segmentata etc.
The M113, BV206S or Boxer are "gepanzerte Transporter" (armored transports) while Marder is a Schützenpanzer
The Wiesel, having all characteristics of a light tank, is a Waffenträger (Weapon carrier) not a Panzer
The Fennek is a Leicher gepanzerter Spähwagen (Light armored recon vehicle) replacing the Luch Recon Tank
Naval parlance is different again. And the term "Panzerschiff" and "Panzerkreuzer" are only used ONCE in offical parlance (Deutschland class) and that because the class uses a translation of the french term cuirassé. Germany normally used terms like "Gedeckter" (Covered) Cruiser etc. in official parlance. "Panzerschiff" is a press term and pre-dates the modern "common use" of Panzer=Tracked, armored vehicle by at least a decade. There it really refered to as "armored like a knight"
GaryKato
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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2012 - 08:58 PM UTC
Ah, I see. All I can say is that the Germans have a very different view of what a Tank is from the rest of the world.
ltb073
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 03:52 AM UTC
Hi Guys, Thanks for the comments, the building part is just about complete minus the tracks
found the figure in the spare parts box, I think its Tamiya, but I think it looks a little weird
what do you guys think 
Also started working on the tracks this morning took 45 minuets just to get 1 side cleaned up
Ill go back at the other side after lunch
found the figure in the spare parts box, I think its Tamiya, but I think it looks a little weird
what do you guys think Also started working on the tracks this morning took 45 minuets just to get 1 side cleaned up
Ill go back at the other side after lunch
GregCloseCombat
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 04:10 AM UTC
Hey Sal, you could always cut off a hand and do something like this model by Brett Mahoney on track48
JackG
Joined: May 28, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 06:03 AM UTC
I was going to suggest cutting both hands so the palms are facing downwards - make them so they are holding onto the copula. To me though the figure looks out of scale, maybe it's 54mm (1/32) scale?
regards,
Jack
regards,
Jack
Tojo72
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 06:38 AM UTC
Sal,he looks like The Fonz,AAAYYY
looking good,but have fun with those little Magic Tracks
looking good,but have fun with those little Magic Tracks
ltb073
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 07:57 AM UTC
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I was going to suggest cutting both hands so the palms are facing downwards - make them so they are holding onto the copula. To me though the figure looks out of scale, maybe it's 54mm (1/32) scale
Yeah I was considering doing this
when you take him out of the turret the lower half of the body is small 
GregCloseCombat
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 09:26 AM UTC
not too many parts, but some resin clean up. I think all the parts are there!
Big-John
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2012 - 12:30 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Question:
Are
M551 "Sheridan"
M1128 "Stryker AGS"
Centauro
FV 107 Scimitar
FV 101 Scorpion
light tanks?
For the purpose of this campaign, the Sheridan. Scimitar, and Scorpion are considered light tanks.
The others are not.
Big-John
Joined: August 12, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, January 08, 2012 - 12:32 AM UTC
Sal, Nice start! that looks like a nice kit.
Greg, Nice little stuart you have.
Greg, Nice little stuart you have.
Maeusemelker
Joined: January 10, 2011
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Posted: Monday, January 09, 2012 - 05:22 AM UTC
everybody - sad news...I was going to enter the Academy M3A1 with AFV suspension and some goodies, took the dated picture (not up-loaded, yet) built the suspension, only to find that, contrary to AFV's claim, it doesn't fit the kit I'm not prepared to compromise and use the, frankly horrible, Academy suspension.If I can get - and more to the point: afford - the Formations resin lower hull, we're back on track. Otherwise I might revert back to my original idea of building a Lend-Lease Valentine...
It gets better - just got an email from John, the new owner of Formations, letting me know the lower hull is not currently in production...
ivanhoe6
Joined: April 05, 2007
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Posted: Monday, January 09, 2012 - 07:59 AM UTC
Howdy all, I just enlisted ! I got tired of following all the action and had to become part of it. My effort will be Dragon's Pz.Kpfw.38(t) Ausf.F, #6434. It looks to be a great little kit packed with all sorts of interior details. How to show them off, cut-away? or??? Anyway, I should be able to finish in a year. Happy building everybody !
panzerbob01
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 02:47 AM UTC
OK, "acceptable kit question"...
Would the new Bronco Bruckenleger auf Pz.Kpfw. II ausf D1 kit 35089 fit in here? Just checking... I have several light candidates but I'm sort of itching for an excuse to order one of these and rip into it ahead of the others!
It's the Panzer II D kit with that bridge device mounted on top - it's a complete light "gun" (itty bitty pop-gun turret and all!) tank, with a bit of extra complication (bigger target, lots of wood to burn, etc. etc. etc. ).
Bob
Would the new Bronco Bruckenleger auf Pz.Kpfw. II ausf D1 kit 35089 fit in here? Just checking... I have several light candidates but I'm sort of itching for an excuse to order one of these and rip into it ahead of the others!
It's the Panzer II D kit with that bridge device mounted on top - it's a complete light "gun" (itty bitty pop-gun turret and all!) tank, with a bit of extra complication (bigger target, lots of wood to burn, etc. etc. etc.
).Bob
Big-John
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 11:24 AM UTC
Hi Bob.
I think this would be considered an engineering vehicle and not really utilized in the light tank roll.
I think this would be considered an engineering vehicle and not really utilized in the light tank roll.
ltb073
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 02:27 PM UTC
Ok I cut off my figures hand and glued them back on flat and he still didn't look right So I went to the stash and found Dragons Waffen SS tank crew 1944-45and took out the 1/2 figure I also completed 1 side of the tracks
Does this guy look better, my main project for tomorrow is the other side of the tracks
So I went to the stash and found Dragons Waffen SS tank crew 1944-45and took out the 1/2 figure I also completed 1 side of the tracks
Does this guy look better, my main project for tomorrow is the other side of the tracks
GregCloseCombat
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 02:35 PM UTC
Sal - I think that guy looks the right size. The right uniform? I'm unsure of the tank/SS/time period
ltb073
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Posted: Thursday, January 12, 2012 - 02:57 AM UTC
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Sal - I think that guy looks the right size. The right uniform? I'm unsure of the tank/SS/time period
Greg, It looks like a standard Panzer Wrap. The tracks on this thing were a pain
I Primed it last night and I may get to throw some paint at this today if not tomorrow
pseudorealityx
Joined: January 31, 2010
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Posted: Thursday, January 12, 2012 - 03:09 AM UTC
The hat is a little late for a 38(t). The beret or sidecap would be more accurate. I was looking at my Tristar 38(t) figure last night, and that guy looks pretty close.
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