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Posted: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 - 06:08 PM UTC
Thanks for the update Jerry!

That discarded equipment looks great, even if the photo is a bit blurred!
We both are evidently modellers, not photographers!

What sets your work apart is that it always tells a realistic (and interesting) story, like the wire business. That's something real special!!

That last photo showing the Hanomag from a low angle is stunning!!

But the one showing the bigger part of the front makes me wonder if the camoed surface is not too clean, too uniform, too "out of the factory".

Maybe some outlines around the panels and a couple of stains could help. Don't get me wrong...I'm not into those over-weathered vehicles that look like they were abandoned in the Pampas ages ago, but just a little bit!?!

What do you think?? ...or should I just go and take me coat??

Cheers m8!

Romain
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 02:12 AM UTC

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Thanks for the update Jerry!

That discarded equipment looks great, even if the photo is a bit blurred!
We both are evidently modellers, not photographers!

What sets your work apart is that it always tells a realistic (and interesting) story, like the wire business. That's something real special!!

That last photo showing the Hanomag from a low angle is stunning!!

But the one showing the bigger part of the front makes me wonder if the camoed surface is not too clean, too uniform, too "out of the factory".

Maybe some outlines around the panels and a couple of stains could help. Don't get me wrong...I'm not into those over-weathered vehicles that look like they were abandoned in the Pampas ages ago, but just a little bit!?!

What do you think?? ...or should I just go and take me coat??

Cheers m8!

Romain




Thanks for the kind remarks buddy. Yep,I suck at photography,that's for sure.
I deliberately made the vehicle look pretty new. I did add damage to the front fender as the drivers did not have a lot of time to practice with no training fuel available.
Almost every vehicle in the LSSAH was delivered in Oct and Nov,just prior to the offensive and added to that,the fact there was little fuel available to actually drive them,the vehicles would still look fairly new. Hence the clean look. As far as the pre-shading around the panels,I was never a fan of that as being in the mech inf before I was a para I saw a lot of armored vehicles and NONE had the shading around the panels,EVER!!! That is all an affectation of model builders.
So,yes,I did not weather this very much,sorry.
J
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 03:08 AM UTC
It's starting to come together now, Jerry.

I really appreciate the detail in the work the "wire dogs" are doing. You've done a great job here in adding the technical interest to wire commo that very few modelers really understand. Highly important and nearly ubiquitous, but not too many modelers appreciate its importance and the amount of resources devoted to wire commo during that period of history.

I've been looking forward to seeing all of the elements together on the base for a long time, and am happy to see you in the home stretch now.

Can't wait to see what you do next on it.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 03:36 AM UTC
I really like the set up of the 251, I don't think I've ever seen a diorama displaying this job. The trees and groundwork make a great backdrop for the scene as well, especially the abandoned GI gear & the nest in the tree. I've got a Masterbox kit of a few Germans running signal wire. It's about time I took a shot at that one...

Loving how this is all coming together!

-Conor
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 09:03 AM UTC
[quote]It's starting to come together now, Jerry.

I really appreciate the detail in the work the "wire dogs" are doing. You've done a great job here in adding the technical interest to wire commo that very few modelers really understand. Highly important and nearly ubiquitous, but not too many modelers appreciate its importance and the amount of resources devoted to wire commo during that period of history.

I've been looking forward to seeing all of the elements together on the base for a long time, and am happy to see you in the home stretch now.

Can't wait to see what you do next on it.[/quote


Exactly right buddy.Wire commo was the"bomb" for the wehrmacht,specially on the western front as we had the ability to home in on their radio calls with startling quickness and then bring down hell through arty fires.
So human runners,couriers and wire was the way to go.
I believe there was about 10 or 11 of these commo telephone tracks in a full strength panzer division. Mostly for the div,regt and bn hq and the arty and mortar units.
Thanks for the kind words. I now have to overcome my mental block about getting something close to completion and then moving on to the next thing.
Thanks for sticking with me bro,
J
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 09:06 AM UTC

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I really like the set up of the 251, I don't think I've ever seen a diorama displaying this job. The trees and groundwork make a great backdrop for the scene as well, especially the abandoned GI gear & the nest in the tree. I've got a Masterbox kit of a few Germans running signal wire. It's about time I took a shot at that one...

Loving how this is all coming together!

-Conor



Thanks Conor,
There are all kinds of ideas for dios and vignettes concerning commo. Wire and radio.
I always wanted to do a field hq scene with a command bunker in the open with a telephone exchange and a few radios and couriers standing by on their M/Cs. Probably have to be on the east front.
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 09:33 AM UTC

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Quoted Text

Thanks for the update Jerry!

That discarded equipment looks great, even if the photo is a bit blurred!
We both are evidently modellers, not photographers!

What sets your work apart is that it always tells a realistic (and interesting) story, like the wire business. That's something real special!!

That last photo showing the Hanomag from a low angle is stunning!!

But the one showing the bigger part of the front makes me wonder if the camoed surface is not too clean, too uniform, too "out of the factory".

Maybe some outlines around the panels and a couple of stains could help. Don't get me wrong...I'm not into those over-weathered vehicles that look like they were abandoned in the Pampas ages ago, but just a little bit!?!

What do you think?? ...or should I just go and take me coat??

Cheers m8!

Romain




Thanks for the kind remarks buddy. Yep,I suck at photography,that's for sure.
I deliberately made the vehicle look pretty new. I did add damage to the front fender as the drivers did not have a lot of time to practice with no training fuel available.
Almost every vehicle in the LSSAH was delivered in Oct and Nov,just prior to the offensive and added to that,the fact there was little fuel available to actually drive them,the vehicles would still look fairly new. Hence the clean look. As far as the pre-shading around the panels,I was never a fan of that as being in the mech inf before I was a para I saw a lot of armored vehicles and NONE had the shading around the panels,EVER!!! That is all an affectation of model builders.
So,yes,I did not weather this very much,sorry.
J



You are raising a point that is being debated for ages:

Should or shouldn't we stick 100% to reality??

Basically we should never shade anything, no faces, no clothes, no equipment....for the simple reason that nature does not shade!

I fully agree that real vehicles are a huge lot plainer than what is nowadays "the norm" in modelling.

I have never been a fan of hardcore weathering with 15 different oil colours applied in small dabs and blended over until you can't even see the basic colour anymore + washes + fading + chipping + rust (from a 6 years period at least) up to blackened muzzle brakes.

But, if a vehicle stands still for weeks, it gets dirty. If you don't believe me, check on your car (unless you have a Garage (then look at your neighbour's vehicle!

Seriously, I understand you, but we do live by compromises, don't we.

Cheers

Romain
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 09:47 AM UTC
You are correct and this is why I never do well in model contests. I am not a "scale model painter" and my stuff never follows the trends. Also it just isn't that good,which is the main reason I don't win or place high. I see your point about the dirt and once again,if you could see the model in person it looks a lot dirtier than in the pics. There is a bit of dirt and oil stains and chipping,even greasy hand prints on the hood.
And I added the wire to keep the branches on the sides as well!
J
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 09:54 AM UTC
I agree to a point but it does come down to personal preference and how "Historically" accurate you want to be.
Problem is most of us are modeling war in action and the thought is its down and dirty and in most cases it is so, we want to model equipment that looks like it has gone thru the ringer when in reality some hasn't. Its like if I want to put an accurately scaled 100' tree next to a tank, its right but doesn't look right, (in 1/35 it would be almost 3') I think that's why most of us weather the heck out of stuff ( I'm guilty,myself included)
To each his own , I think the halftrack looks great, you just may have to state its "newer" or "recent arrival" so modelers who don't know, understand why its "cleaner" then what they usually see. I think the whole thing is awesome (still really like what you did with the fern camo)
Keep it going - John
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Posted: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 - 11:15 AM UTC

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I think the whole thing is awesome (still really like what you did with the fern camo)
Keep it going - John




That I can fully agree to!!

Don't bother about prizes and awards Jerry, your work is definitely something special!!!

Cheers

Romain

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Posted: Thursday, December 12, 2013 - 02:41 AM UTC
John and Romain,
Thanks for the kind words of encouragement brothers. I suppose I will always remain a boneheaded paratrooper. Have to follow my own drummer.
J
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Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 06:27 AM UTC
I am aware the later war m/c used by the Germans id not have the license plates on the front fender. What about the rear one? Still used? Plus,anyone have a pic of the tail light? What color? Red? Blue? The only resource I have is the box pic from Tamiya and it doesn't show the back.


Pretty much out of the box. Just added the wires on the spark plugs,fuel lines and cables for throttle and brakes. Nice little kit. Would have been great to get the PE set for the wire wheels but I want to finish this thing up before I loose interest. The blob on the throttle is the riders' hand. I had to make that out of putty for a nice tight grip. Have to finish up the little dude now. Getting close!! What say yee?
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Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 09:53 AM UTC
Lookin good! I thought a tanker blew the driver off and all that was left was his hand! (Ha, just kidding but couldn't resist)
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Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 11:20 AM UTC


Looking good indeed Jerry!

should I pour oil (or Zippo fluid) onto the fire and mention the.......??

No, I better get me coat...!

Well done m8!!

Cheers

Romain
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Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 04:31 PM UTC
Well done! Love the look of it, showing signs of wear n' tear without being overdone. Seems you have a good sense of when to stop weathering hahaha.

Looking forward to what's next

-Conor
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Posted: Thursday, December 19, 2013 - 11:42 PM UTC
Lovely finish on the bike Jerry- just the right amount of weathering to give it that used look- the exhaust and the leather parts are particularly nice.
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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 - 03:13 AM UTC
John,Romain,Conor and Karl,
Thanks so much for checking the progress report out. Yes,as you know I am not a big fan of over weathering. Some stuff I see reminds me of the stuff sitting out at aberdeen for 40 years with no paint.
Having said that I admire the skill and technique it requires to get that old old look. Maybe I should try a junkyard car some day to work on that skill?
Anyway,I didn't think a bike could get all that banged up and still work,so....
I found out the color of the tail light and the number sequence for the LSSAH in the later war period so that's next. I also was given a nice pic of this bike in full color and so I now can add some tiny bells and whistles to it.
Get to that today I hope,
thanks again guys,
J
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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 - 03:31 AM UTC
The bike is looking good, Jerry.

I think that the finish and weathering will be a good fit and complement the other elements that you've put together for the dio.

The discussion above about the weathering on your half track was interesting. In the end, I believe that at a certain level (clearly the level that you're working at), those kinds of considerations become a matter of the builder's personal style and not straight forward matters of technical accuracy.

That is, a critic might be able to make a good case on historical or technical grounds about the accuracy of some mechanical feature or display anachronism, but when it comes to finish and weathering, modelers should have broad latitude to follow their own style. A critic might not like that style, but his room to criticize should be constrained by the critic's acknowledgement of his own personal preferences and style, i.e. the critic's personal tastes.

The critic might make a valid observation that the finish and weathering are not consistent, for example, the outside surfaces of the wheels are weathered but the inside surfaces are still clean. However, I don't believe that most comments about how much wear and tear should or must be portrayed are necessarily valid. As long as the builder has achieved unity of his display elements and those elements complement each other, matters of degree become choices of style - neither "correct" nor "incorrect."

The critic might not find the result aesthetically appealing and to his taste, but he has little to no room to stand on criticisms of "correctness."

Sorry to hijack your thread with this, but it's an issue that cuts close to my heart. My own work has often been criticized for not being weathered "enough" of for not having "enough" stowage. However, that's my personal style - I like to create models of machines and men and not whopping great blobs of mud or piles of nondescript canvas.

Anyways, sorry for the tangent...

I am really looking forward more and more to seeing this all come together.
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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 - 03:50 AM UTC
Dear Jerry,

Very well designed and build dio.
Sometimes, I wonder if people do take their hobby so serious that they are unable to "just" build a model, but go for an absurd form of correctness.
Your dio shows a moment in military life somewhere in Western France in the Summer of `944. And it shows it very well! And you did your utmost to do it in a way, paople can recognize it.
Thanks for that, it is, to my opinion, very well executed.
And when it comes to the state of weathering, I can add as a military guy:
A vehicle is one of the most essential parts of a military organization. If it does not roll, tasks can not be executed and, thus, battles or wars may be lost! As simple as that.
Therefore, each vehicle commander will do his utmost to keep it in shape and rolling. Every spare moment of free time ( which are many, even in a fighting unit) equipment is treated, maintained, cleaned. And, you are very right, much of the equipment in France was relativelly new. So, big spots of rust, wear and tear and alike are very unlikely. Battle damage and torn off parts are less likely for 2 stage units like communication units, who worked under (relatively) controlled circumsatnces ( Yes! Yes! I did not say that there were/are no casualties in their rows! ).
Thus, dear Jerry, keep on doing as you did! It becomes a very beautiful and well designed dio.
Please, do show us more soon.

P
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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 - 04:06 AM UTC
Mike!!
No worries brother,no offense taken and no modelers were harmed in the making of this movie,uh....sorry,got carried away. I agree with you totally,just can't find the higher level of elocution in writing that you achieve.
I to,try to portray vehicle and people in the style I like,which is trying to make them look like they are actually doing what they would have done. I think sometimes guys forget that the vehicles were fighting machines and that was their main purpose so all stowage would have to come second. That is why on my track I made sure the drivers' vision was not obscured by foliage,etc,and the back compartment is pretty much free of extraneous junk,save for the webgear that the wounded guy just dumped off.
When I was a combat vehicle commander I made darn sure that the thing didn't resemble the "Sanford and Sons'" trash truck and all exterior and interior gear was properly stowed and tied down securely.
The vehicles in this dio were pretty new so....not much damage or weathering.
On the other hand,even though LAH had almost all brand new stuff in this time frame it would be cool someday to model the PZIV from the 7th Komanie,1SSPzRegt that was damaged in Normandy and then driven by the driver and radioman all the way back to Germany on their own to get depot level maint done. As far as I know it was still on the Div. books in December and would be a great subject to model as a "beater".
Long story short,yes,it's all subjective when it comes to weathering and their is no correct amount when it comes to personal taste
Hope I haven't offended you or anyone else for that matter with any content here now or in the past.
J
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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 - 04:15 AM UTC

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Dear Jerry,

Very well designed and build dio.
Sometimes, I wonder if people do take their hobby so serious that they are unable to "just" build a model, but go for an absurd form of correctness.
Your dio shows a moment in military life somewhere in Western France in the Summer of `944. And it shows it very well! And you did your utmost to do it in a way, paople can recognize it.
Thanks for that, it is, to my opinion, very well executed.
And when it comes to the state of weathering, I can add as a military guy:
A vehicle is one of the most essential parts of a military organization. If it does not roll, tasks can not be executed and, thus, battles or wars may be lost! As simple as that.
Therefore, each vehicle commander will do his utmost to keep it in shape and rolling. Every spare moment of free time ( which are many, even in a fighting unit) equipment is treated, maintained, cleaned. And, you are very right, much of the equipment in France was relativelly new. So, big spots of rust, wear and tear and alike are very unlikely. Battle damage and torn off parts are less likely for 2 stage units like communication units, who worked under (relatively) controlled circumsatnces ( Yes! Yes! I did not say that there were/are no casualties in their rows! ).
Thus, dear Jerry, keep on doing as you did! It becomes a very beautiful and well designed dio.
Please, do show us more soon.

P




Thanks Paul,for the kind words. I must have been typing my response to Mike when you posted your comments. Much of what you say I also said in my new post!! Great minds think alike?
I certainly know what you mean,I can't tell you how many hours and hours we spent doing"preventive maintenence' on our tracks in all kinds of weather as well! Ouch! I think sometimes we did so much work on the stuff we actually ended up breaking things because of it! Hahahah
I am a bit worried though,as you said this dio was in france in summer? Maybe I failed? Hahaha
J
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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 - 07:48 AM UTC
Dear Jerry,
My fault to mention Summer.
But I got a bit pi... after reading comments about the state of your vehicle. For some reason, many modelers got away from reality by showing excesive wear and tear and extreme spots of rust. As you very well mentioned, vehicles are a way of surviving. And they need all attention from the whole crew day in, day out.
Furthermore, in some model cases, the rust shown only builds up after 3 years without maintenance! A life time, no average vehicle will stay in a combat zone............
Maybe, we should shout out that a soldiers life in a combat zone is days of preparing and maintenance against hours of actual fighting. Too much Holywood, too little reality in many models.
But: it is a hobby. If one likes his odel, who am I to discuss it???
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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 - 08:32 AM UTC

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Dear Jerry,
My fault to mention Summer.
But I got a bit pi... after reading comments about the state of your vehicle. For some reason, many modelers got away from reality by showing excesive wear and tear and extreme spots of rust. As you very well mentioned, vehicles are a way of surviving. And they need all attention from the whole crew day in, day out.
Furthermore, in some model cases, the rust shown only builds up after 3 years without maintenance! A life time, no average vehicle will stay in a combat zone............
Maybe, we should shout out that a soldiers life in a combat zone is days of preparing and maintenance against hours of actual fighting. Too much Holywood, too little reality in many models.
But: it is a hobby. If one likes his odel, who am I to discuss it???



Yes!! I am with you Paul,good points. But,as you say,whatever "floats your boat" is good! As long as you have fun and like what you're doing it's all good.
I spent several days getting ready to parachute into Noriega land and about 90 seconds worth of shooting was the end result. About 7 months preparing to go into Irag and no shooting at all!
In Germany I spent almost 7 years preparing vehicles to fight the Red Army and they never showed up! Go figure.
Thanks for the words brother.
J
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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 - 08:40 AM UTC
Back to a bit of biz. I made some upgrades to the krad. License plate made from alum sheet. I pieced together the proper numbers for a late war LSSAH vehicle according to an expert on the LAH vehicles,Mr Steve Ballintyne. The SS runes were ordered to be painted over for the Ardennes to try to conceal the units' ID prior to the offensive.
Tailight got its' proper red color topped off with gloss clear for that minty fresh feeling.
The left side fuel cap was actually not a fuel cap but the ignition point for the starter and its' key. Too late to pop off the cap so I just added a bit on to show the switch(sort of). Put some German style half wingnuts on the locking points for the luggage pouches and then made a new dash by punching out a hole and forming the plastic sheet to look like the DKW dash(sort of). I then put the dial decal on and the dash on top. Still have to paint all the new additions. Doesn't seem like a lot for todays' effort but there it is.
Thanks for your continued support on this. I will try not to make it too much longer.

J
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Posted: Friday, December 20, 2013 - 10:26 AM UTC
Nice one Jerry ! well done and making it much longer than it takes is no problem to me . Because this is excellent work .

Greets Kurt