Back (more or less) to the main topic:
I was lucky enough for find one of the old Eduard etch sets on eBay. It is intended for the old Italeri Fuel Truck kit. Tonight's progress was to add the Oshkosh marked mud flaps from that set to my LHS vehicle.
I also installed the rear cable guide fairlead that comes with the new Voyager HEMTT etch set for the semi-tractor.
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My first HEMTT - the Italeri LHS
Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2016 - 08:23 AM UTC
Thirian24
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2016 - 02:39 PM UTC
Michael, what you're actually seeing on that axle, is the tire being pulled in that direction. On all trucks/trailers that have multiple non-steer axles, they tires will be "drug"/"pulled" during a turn, especially while it has a load on it. Depending on which way the vehicle is turning/backing, you'll notice the non-steer axle/tires... I don't know how to word it.. Maybe offset?
You can see it here for example.
Sorry I'll have to post the picture when I have a better signal.
You can see it here for example.
Sorry I'll have to post the picture when I have a better signal.
Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2016 - 05:58 PM UTC
But Dustin the point here is that this is a "steering" axle.
Thirian24
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Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2016 - 06:26 PM UTC
My appologies. I misread that.
Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2016 - 07:10 PM UTC
No problem!
Posted: Thursday, November 03, 2016 - 07:40 PM UTC
Taylornic
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Posted: Friday, November 04, 2016 - 12:49 AM UTC
Sorry for taking us off topic. Seems like whatever thread of yours that I frequent, we always seem to leave your topic and just start talking trucks in general. Lol
Posted: Friday, November 04, 2016 - 03:19 AM UTC
Hey, I want to learn about the MK23 as much as anyone, so for my part, I'm good with these alternate topics!
Posted: Friday, November 04, 2016 - 07:58 AM UTC
Something we might all be interested in regarding the Mk 23:
I tried something last night - since I cannot access the Oshkosh Defense website directly without clearance, I tried the Pierce Fire Equipment site. (Pierce is one of the Oshkosh fire equipment divisions.) It seems the TAK-4 suspension/rear steering system is also used on many of their heavy fire trucks.
http://www.piercemfg.com/Innovations/TAK-4/TAK-4-IRS
http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/1641088/StaticContentPages/Other/PDFs/16957_TAK-4_T3_SS_121914_WEB.pdf?t=1478275366429
I tried something last night - since I cannot access the Oshkosh Defense website directly without clearance, I tried the Pierce Fire Equipment site. (Pierce is one of the Oshkosh fire equipment divisions.) It seems the TAK-4 suspension/rear steering system is also used on many of their heavy fire trucks.
http://www.piercemfg.com/Innovations/TAK-4/TAK-4-IRS
http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/1641088/StaticContentPages/Other/PDFs/16957_TAK-4_T3_SS_121914_WEB.pdf?t=1478275366429
Taylornic
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Posted: Friday, November 04, 2016 - 10:03 AM UTC
Good score! That certainly helps with the modifications.
Any idea how it works? Lol
Is the left box receiving hydraulic pressure from hoses coming from the right box?
Any idea how it works? Lol
Is the left box receiving hydraulic pressure from hoses coming from the right box?
Posted: Friday, November 04, 2016 - 01:32 PM UTC
Taylor, that was my question also. It must be a hydraulic connection similar to the two steering gear boxes on the HEMTT.
The Pierce literature says it is mechanical/hydraulic with no electronics.
The Pierce literature says it is mechanical/hydraulic with no electronics.
Posted: Friday, November 04, 2016 - 10:11 PM UTC
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Posted: Saturday, November 05, 2016 - 12:02 AM UTC
Nope, that is how it was designed to mount. It is a similar system to what was mounted in the first generation up-armored HMMWVs w/ASK.
It was the inside part of the below Red Dot system.
It was the inside part of the below Red Dot system.
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Posted: Saturday, November 05, 2016 - 09:03 AM UTC
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Nope, that is how it was designed to mount. It is a similar system to what was mounted in the first generation up-armored HMMWVs w/ASK.
It was the inside part of the below Red Dot system.
Gino:
Good find pic
Posted: Saturday, November 05, 2016 - 08:43 PM UTC
OK, In the future I will refrain from freelancing and editorializing on designs I don't yet understand.
No excuse but the two wide open square A/C air outlets in the HEMTT blowing directly towards the windshield did not seem to make sense and made me think the unit had been installed improperly.
Fantastic reference photos you found there Gino.
No excuse but the two wide open square A/C air outlets in the HEMTT blowing directly towards the windshield did not seem to make sense and made me think the unit had been installed improperly.
Fantastic reference photos you found there Gino.
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Posted: Saturday, November 05, 2016 - 10:11 PM UTC
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OK, In the future I will refrain from freelancing and editorializing on designs I don't yet understand.
No excuse but the two wide open square A/C air outlets in the HEMTT blowing directly towards the windshield did not seem to make sense and made me think the unit had been installed improperly.
Fantastic reference photos you found there Gino.
Mike! You and Gino ARE AMAZING what with all your reference material and detailed builds!
Posted: Monday, November 07, 2016 - 04:27 AM UTC
HeavyArty
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Posted: Monday, November 07, 2016 - 05:02 AM UTC
Posted: Monday, November 07, 2016 - 05:59 AM UTC
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Posted: Monday, November 07, 2016 - 07:21 AM UTC
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So sad about Pro-Art.
Now that you sort of have shown me what to search for it looks like they also made the AIRCO unit available separately and in four different mounting styles!
Yup, I didn't see any of that set on eBay though. Good luck finding it.
The exterior compressor box wouldn't be too hard to scratch. I bought a set of HO train fan covers that would fit the bill perfectly (still haven't built one yet). The inner box doesn't look too hard either.
Posted: Monday, November 07, 2016 - 09:26 AM UTC
Agreed, I was thinking the same thing - a couple of HO diesel hood fans might work.
Posted: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 - 12:26 AM UTC
Sidebar update on the Mk 23 truck:
Recently ordered two kits of the 23 at the same time to save on shipping but only received one - that in itself is a kick in the pants and the wallet!
Having now looked at the one kit I can share that on the MK 23 only the front axle steers! However, the TAK-4 rear non-steering suspension units are constructed using the same parts (more of less) as the forward steering unit and it should not be too difficult at all to modify the rear axles to add the steering equipment.
A single kit will give you three axle suspension units, two steering gearboxes, (both needed for the front axle,) two simple differentials and one pass-through differential.
Two kits will give you more than enough parts to build either the four axle 8x8 Mk 23 LHS steering & suspension OR the electric hybrid 8x8 HEMTT A3!
Just an F.Y.I. - Overall this model has excellent detail and style. It is a shame to waste the cab and chassis on a conversion. It is going to be extremely difficult to talk myself into building the HEMTT A3 rather than the 16.5 ton, Mk 23 LHS!
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Recently ordered two kits of the 23 at the same time to save on shipping but only received one - that in itself is a kick in the pants and the wallet!
Having now looked at the one kit I can share that on the MK 23 only the front axle steers! However, the TAK-4 rear non-steering suspension units are constructed using the same parts (more of less) as the forward steering unit and it should not be too difficult at all to modify the rear axles to add the steering equipment.
A single kit will give you three axle suspension units, two steering gearboxes, (both needed for the front axle,) two simple differentials and one pass-through differential.
Two kits will give you more than enough parts to build either the four axle 8x8 Mk 23 LHS steering & suspension OR the electric hybrid 8x8 HEMTT A3!
Just an F.Y.I. - Overall this model has excellent detail and style. It is a shame to waste the cab and chassis on a conversion. It is going to be extremely difficult to talk myself into building the HEMTT A3 rather than the 16.5 ton, Mk 23 LHS!
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Thirian24
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Posted: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 - 01:49 AM UTC
Yup the Mk. 23 is a beautiful kit. It's on my Christmas wish list.
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Posted: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 - 02:28 AM UTC
Here you go !
https://www.dersockelshop.de/hmmwv-armor-survivability-kit-und-airco-1-35_pro-art-models_pam35029.html
Cheers
Christopher
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Posted: Wednesday, November 09, 2016 - 02:34 AM UTC
Mike, I will be very happy to watch you take the lead on the 16.5 LHS! Another great build is on the way!