Rob--"you're going to check the garage"! Good Lord, friend, how many kits do you have in there?
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210cav
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 02:50 AM UTC
Sabot
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 02:51 AM UTC
I'm not certain that it is an M-45, I do know it is an 8" howitzer, fully tracked, armored turret. The kit was originally one of Renwal's 1/32 scale line of armored kits. These are the guys that gave use the Mace Missile with Terracruiser carrier, the Atomic Gun, Ontos, 90mm Sky Sweeper (computer controled AA gun), the M47 Patton, M41 Bulldog, M42 Duster. The howitzer did have a common chassis with one of the tanks produced, but I'll have to take a good look to see.
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 02:54 AM UTC
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Quoted TextWasn't this done by Renwal and re-released by Revell as part of their History Makers series? I'll go check my kit in the garage tonight.Here's one I bet alot of you guys haven't heard of: The M45-105mm HMC, which was designed as a support vehicle to accompany the M26 with it's 90mm gun. It mounted a 105mm howitzer cannon on the same M26 chassis. It's role was much the same as the M8's and M4's with 105mm did for the M4's. It weighed a little over 45 tons with a 5 man crew...and had a very impressive 8" howitzer shield!!!
I think that was the Revell 1:32 scale kit Rob - dubbed "The Beast". Wim Vink carved one up and virtually rebuilt it a couple of years back. What I was referring to was the M45 (T26E2) Medium Tank with the 105mm Howitzer used as the main weapon as used in Korea.
Having either model would 'flip my chip'!
Gunnie
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 03:27 AM UTC
Rob will correct me if I'm wrong - but I think the 1:32 Revell HM model kit represents the M55 8" SPH. I haven't seen the box-top for that kit - let alone the kit itself - for a really long time...
Gunnie
Gunnie
Sabot
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 04:09 AM UTC
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About 8-10 of those large wardrobe boxes the movers use (tall ones with the metal rod for hanging clothes) this doesn't count the outside storage room pack with kits or the closet (and overflowing dining room) inside filled with kits. I may only be a tenant unit at Ft. Gronovius, but I occupy the home like the 1st Cav does Ft. Hood!Rob--"you're going to check the garage"! Good Lord, friend, how many kits do you have in there?
TreadHead
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 04:44 AM UTC
Just a blurb here, but...How about an M-76 Otter, based on an M-56 chassis?
Tread.
Tread.
HunterCottage
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 05:00 AM UTC
My wife just reminded me that I already have a dream modell!!! And Yes she is It!!!
(brownie points you know)
(brownie points you know)
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 05:12 AM UTC
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Just a blurb here, but...How about an M-76 Otter, based on an M-56 chassis?
Tread.
Definitely none I've ever heard of in 1:35 scale of the Pontiac Otter - that would be a cool "gee-whiz" model to have on your shelf. Haven't seen but a couple of scratchbuilts either.
Gunnie
TreadHead
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 05:22 AM UTC
Always thought it was an interesting APC. Kind of an odd style.
Surprised anyone heard of one! But then I keep underestimating the abilities of this group.
There are some seriously knowledgable people gathered here as opposed to some other DG's I've stumbled across.
Hey, how about the the M-113's cousin, the M-114? Anything available in 1/35th?
Tread.
Surprised anyone heard of one! But then I keep underestimating the abilities of this group.
There are some seriously knowledgable people gathered here as opposed to some other DG's I've stumbled across.
Hey, how about the the M-113's cousin, the M-114? Anything available in 1/35th?
Tread.
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 06:08 AM UTC
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Always thought it was an interesting APC. Kind of an odd style.
Surprised anyone heard of one! But then I keep underestimating the abilities of this group.
There are some seriously knowledgable people gathered here as opposed to some other DG's I've stumbled across.
Hey, how about the the M-113's cousin, the M-114? Anything available in 1/35th?
Tread.
Tread - I don't think a M114 made it to 1:35 scale. I'd take one and a side of fries to go if it did. Along those lines, I'd like to see the M116 APC too...
Gunnie
Sabot
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 07:17 AM UTC
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I've got a picture of it in the US Tanks of WWII by George Forty. Gunnie's right.The M45-105mm HMC, which was designed as a support vehicle to accompany the M26 with it's 90mm gun.
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No, it is originally a Renwal kit, I still have the directions to one. I also have the Revell History Makers kit unbuilt in the box. The only difference is the Revell kit is in tan and the original Renwal kit was in green. Also Revell blanked out the Renwal name and kit number on the inside of the hull bottom just like they did to the M-50 Ontos.I think that was the Revell 1:32 scale kit Rob - dubbed "The Beast".
TreadHead
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 07:33 AM UTC
Wait a minute....please indulge those of us who are a little slow on the uptake, and are losing way too many brain synapses. But, did I just read that there's an Ontos kit available?
In 1/35th scale? Next you'll be telling me there's a kit of the M-29 Crab!
Tread.
In 1/35th scale? Next you'll be telling me there's a kit of the M-29 Crab!
Tread.
TreadHead
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 07:36 AM UTC
Hey Gunnie, on that M-116...which would you prefer, top up or top down? :-) 
Tread.
Tread.
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 07:52 AM UTC
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Hey Gunnie, on that M-116...which would you prefer, top up or top down? :-)
Tread.
I'd like the top-down - to let it all hang out!
Gunnie
TreadHead
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 08:03 AM UTC
Talkin' Guntrucks Gunnie.....hmmm, say that 3 times fast. Are you familiar with a truck called the ' Big Kahuna' ?
Tread.
Tread.
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 08:08 AM UTC
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Talkin' Guntrucks Gunnie.....hmmm, say that 3 times fast. Are you familiar with a truck called the ' Big Kahuna' ?
Tread.
Yep - working on a scratchbuild of Kahuna presently. Kahuna was the first 5-tonner equipped with the stripped-down M113 APC Hull on the cargo bed - the third and last generation gun truck used in Vietnam. For a brief period of time, Kahuna was reported to have carried a big number one signifying it being the first of this breed of gun truck.
Gunnie
TreadHead
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 08:29 AM UTC
Yessssssssss. Always wondered what the hell that upper hull thing was. Couldn't make it out. Figured the crew had scrounged some armour and welded it together to build up their own version of a defensive shield. Damn, all this time. I feel like a moron.
Goes to show what happens when you pay attention
So....scratch building one huh? Are you using an M113 hull and 'splicing' it all together? If so, you may have a 'build-mate'. I've been dying to do something interesting or different. Been deciding between either a modern armour piece, a BOB piece, or something non-tracked. (back to those ROAD WHEELS again
)
Anyway, would love to be able to 'draw' from your experience on the Guntrucks and build one myself. Probably should start with the AFV new release Guntruck first, but, I've always been one to skip a step or two, (saved my life in the early days).
Any input you have regarding your 'Kahuna' project would be greatly appreciated. My intention is to be 1/10th as good as your Guntrucks.
Tread.
Goes to show what happens when you pay attention
So....scratch building one huh? Are you using an M113 hull and 'splicing' it all together? If so, you may have a 'build-mate'. I've been dying to do something interesting or different. Been deciding between either a modern armour piece, a BOB piece, or something non-tracked. (back to those ROAD WHEELS again
)Anyway, would love to be able to 'draw' from your experience on the Guntrucks and build one myself. Probably should start with the AFV new release Guntruck first, but, I've always been one to skip a step or two, (saved my life in the early days).
Any input you have regarding your 'Kahuna' project would be greatly appreciated. My intention is to be 1/10th as good as your Guntrucks.
Tread.
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 11:44 AM UTC
The route I chose with "The Big Kahuna" is to use the basic hull of Tamiya's gas-powered M113, appropriately gutted out of equipment. I'm going slow here because pictures of the interiors of these beasts are even rarer than of the vehicles themselves.
The M54 is a scratch/conversion of the AFV Club Deuce, in which I've had to use several M54 technical manuals to find the information to get it looking like the real thing. The frame channels are Evergreen C-Channel stock onto which I hung heavily modified Italeri M923 series suspensions, axles, and partial scratchbuilt drivetrain. The wheels are a set I purchased from a fellow modeler several years ago. I now have standard 5-ton truck tires from Real Models to use. The cargo bed is a conversion of the Italeri subassembly too. The Cab is a scratch/conversion from the smaller Deuce to the larger M54 Cab. Real Models sells a M54 Cab Conversion, and it's converted along the lines I went with mine too. It was actually quicker for me to do it by hand than to clean up and work the resin into place. I liked their hood better than mine, so I modified it.
"Kahuna" is a pretty intense miniature effort so far...
Gunnie
The M54 is a scratch/conversion of the AFV Club Deuce, in which I've had to use several M54 technical manuals to find the information to get it looking like the real thing. The frame channels are Evergreen C-Channel stock onto which I hung heavily modified Italeri M923 series suspensions, axles, and partial scratchbuilt drivetrain. The wheels are a set I purchased from a fellow modeler several years ago. I now have standard 5-ton truck tires from Real Models to use. The cargo bed is a conversion of the Italeri subassembly too. The Cab is a scratch/conversion from the smaller Deuce to the larger M54 Cab. Real Models sells a M54 Cab Conversion, and it's converted along the lines I went with mine too. It was actually quicker for me to do it by hand than to clean up and work the resin into place. I liked their hood better than mine, so I modified it.
"Kahuna" is a pretty intense miniature effort so far...
Gunnie
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 11:54 AM UTC
If this insanity isn't your cup of tea - and it isn't for most - the new AFV Club Quad .50cal gun truck is basically a nice model kit. It is not accurate for "Nancy" - or any other Quad Deuce or M54 used in the war - in the way that they used the pedestal mount a la M16 MGMC in this kit. When anti-aircraft artillery units converted cargo trucks to carry these weapons, the entire weapon and trailer were hauled up into the cargo bed, and the wheels were removed. I have a photo of that configuration here in GunTruck Gallery.
Otherwise, the M35A1 base kit is quite nice, and there's a lot you can do with it and does not call for aftermarket parts to bring it up to speed. I'm going to backdate mine one step to M35 standard, and drop a M4 LaCrosse Guided Missile Launcher on the back of it, circa 1960 or so. It is also an excellent platform for the early gun trucks used in the war, with simple armor plate sides - and one even with the standard weapons ring in place - which was interestingly quite rare as far as gun trucks went. You could go nuts and chop the frame rails and model a dump body, the ideas go on and on with this kit...
Gunnie
Otherwise, the M35A1 base kit is quite nice, and there's a lot you can do with it and does not call for aftermarket parts to bring it up to speed. I'm going to backdate mine one step to M35 standard, and drop a M4 LaCrosse Guided Missile Launcher on the back of it, circa 1960 or so. It is also an excellent platform for the early gun trucks used in the war, with simple armor plate sides - and one even with the standard weapons ring in place - which was interestingly quite rare as far as gun trucks went. You could go nuts and chop the frame rails and model a dump body, the ideas go on and on with this kit...
Gunnie
Barkmann
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 11:59 AM UTC
Hi,
I'm new to this website!!! Really cool Modelling site and interesting things in it!!!
The kit of my dream is the Karl Mörser from CMK....I wanna build this beast one time and all the stuff that comes with it....Panzer IV ammunition, and wagon boggies!!!! What a great piece of artillery.
Regard!!
I'm new to this website!!! Really cool Modelling site and interesting things in it!!!
The kit of my dream is the Karl Mörser from CMK....I wanna build this beast one time and all the stuff that comes with it....Panzer IV ammunition, and wagon boggies!!!! What a great piece of artillery.
Regard!!
TreadHead
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 12:04 PM UTC
Barkmann, let me be the first (?) to welcome you to the best armour site on the web. You'll find a great 'bunch'o blokes' here.
Happy posting! :-)
Tread.
Happy posting! :-)
Tread.
Barkmann
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 12:14 PM UTC
Thank you very much...TreadHead.
What is your dream model???
best regards!!
What is your dream model???
best regards!!
generalzod
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 11:22 PM UTC
I could be wrong,but I believe MB Models did a resin conversion of the M45 for the DML kit They also did a resin conversion of the Super Pershing I think there was 2 of them made by LT Belton Cooper of the 3rd A.D. He describes them in his book called Death Traps A very good book I don't know if it's still in print If it is I'll post it on the Library forum Also I don't think those MB conversions are available anymore
Chad
Chad
GunTruck
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Posted: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 - 11:32 PM UTC
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I could be wrong,but I believe MB Models did a resin conversion of the M45 for the DML kit They also did a resin conversion of the Super Pershing I think there was 2 of them made by LT Belton Cooper of the 3rd A.D. He describes them in his book called Death Traps A very good book I don't know if it's still in print If it is I'll post it on the Library forum Also I don't think those MB conversions are available anymore
Chad
I think so too Chad - the MB Models stuff came and went before I acheived "armor awareness" - I never got to see them.
Gunnie
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Posted: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 - 12:53 AM UTC
Wow Generalzod...I just finished "Death traps" lastnight, it was a very interesting read. The book is still available, I picked it up on Amazon.com. And I was wondering if there were any photos of the "Super Pershing". I would like to see what that badboy looked like. 
Ron C.
Ashtabula, Oh
Ron C.
Ashtabula, Oh
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