Operation Barbarossa Group Build
Oklahoma, United States
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Posted: Monday, February 10, 2003 - 09:26 AM UTC
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A partially started kit will be OK. Don't be showing off a fully completed kit a few days after the build begins. This group build is supposed to be for fun, honor system goes here. Most builders who do any WW2 armor probably has a kit on the shelf that fits the bill OOB. Think of this group build as a motivator to get that kit out of the box and onto the shelf (built, that is). I don't want anyone to feel bad because the only kit they had or could afford is the old Tamiya PzKfw II straight out the box (for example). It's also far enough into the future that you super-detailers can hunt down every conceiveable aftermarket item for the kit and put us all to shame.
As far as OOB/not OOB, again use the honor system and common sense. Replaced the exhaust with a Moskit one, a gun tube with an aluminum one, or aftermarket tracks, not OOB. Added stretched sprue antenna or masking tape strap to a rucksack that is included in the kit so you don't have "prostitute stowage", that's OK.
Goosh you mean that all my KvI's will just have to sit there looking at me
now regards to size what and how big plus how many people are we allowed to include?
Vatican City
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Posted: Monday, February 10, 2003 - 02:39 PM UTC
I have one more question, sorry. Say if I am making a dio (is a dio allowed?)
It involves two tank, one that was previously built, but one I will start on June 21, is this okay? Thanks!
Dave O'Mally aka Davidus ArwenIsMineus Pig No. 2, Da Jackel
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Posted: Monday, February 10, 2003 - 04:04 PM UTC
I will be in on this also. Any thoughts on consolidating all of this into one post that includes the start date, end date and a list of people participating?.
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Connecticut, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 05:56 AM UTC
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I have one more question, sorry. Say if I am making a dio (is a dio allowed?)
It involves two tank, one that was previously built, but one I will start on June 21, is this okay? Thanks!
GOOD QUESTION DAVE ! I see no reason why it shouldn't be allowed. I also would rather put mine into a diorama. WHAT'S THE VERDICT HERE ?
- ralph
"COURAGE IS NOT THE ABSENCE OF FEAR ... IT IS THE WILLINGNESS TO WALK THROUGH IT."
Connecticut, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 06:17 AM UTC
"COURAGE IS NOT THE ABSENCE OF FEAR ... IT IS THE WILLINGNESS TO WALK THROUGH IT."
Texas, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 08:20 AM UTC
I'd like to put in my vote for allowing dio's in the group build, just keeps adding to the fun....
The impractical we ignore right away, the impossible we bill by the hour...
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Posted: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 09:10 AM UTC
To answer the question regarding the use of dios, please read the bold text in the very first post.
Washington, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 09:16 AM UTC
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Chief--I'm afraid that the Opel Maultier halftrack isn't correct for this build. I was looking up this particular vehicle because I had that suspision and they didn't start making the halftrack until 1942 and didn't mount the AA piece until even later. Sorry.
OH SURE! BURST MY BUBBLE! The only armor I got is post 42' then. Well maybe next time. Hey anybody wanna do an F4F Wildcat build?????
YOU JUST CAN'T FIX STUPID!!!!
New York, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 09:33 AM UTC
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OH SURE! BURST MY BUBBLE! The only armor I got is post 42' then. Well maybe next time. Hey anybody wanna do an F4F Wildcat build?????
Hey Chief, don't abandon the ship yet. We have till the Summer to pick out a model. I just put an order the other day for a Tamiya KV-1B and some aftermarket doo-daads. Just look over the list that Adam posted up and pick something.
Cheers,
CDT Reimund Manneck
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New York, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 10:46 AM UTC
WOW! Talking about the devil......
I just got the KV-1 in the mail. Its one of the very vintage Tamiya kits, and it shows. Motorization holes, aweful rubber-band tracks, lack of detail on the wheels. The armored turret looks like a newer issue and it actually looks pretty good. Anyway, I got me aftermarket tracks from Modelkasten. They are the working kinda and even include a more detailed sprocket. I also got resin wheels from VLS, but they have not arrived yet. Sure hope Summer rolls around pretty soon........
Cheers,
CDT Reimund Manneck
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Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 12:12 PM UTC
I may do a superdetailed Kettenkrad unless i get inspired to do something else before then. I think that if a dio is included, it has to all be built under the June 21st deadline.
Andrew
"If the tanks succeed, then victory follows."
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Vatican City
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Posted: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 02:35 PM UTC
I understand dio must be built from June 21, but if there are two tanks, and one is previously built, is this okay?
Dave O'Mally aka Davidus ArwenIsMineus Pig No. 2, Da Jackel
A servant to the Sty - Liaison Officer for Z-Team to the Sty
Commandant U-Boot Waffe der Pigsmarine, OD is Extremely Asexual
Minister of OD Paint Removal
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Washington, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 05:23 PM UTC
Hey Chief, don't abandon the ship yet. We have till the Summer to pick out a model. I just put an order the other day for a Tamiya KV-1B and some aftermarket doo-daads. Just look over the list that Adam posted up and pick something.
Cheers,
CDT Reimund Manneck
U.S. Army ROTC[/quote]
I am not abandoning the ship, it's just the fact that the 20 kits I brought over to Sicily are the ones I am planning to build (at least attempt anyway) over the 3-4 years I'll be here. The size of the house and the fact I'll have to transport them back is the reason I do not want to buy any more. Also I have to buy everything through the mail is a pain in the butt too. No more running down the street to Hobby Lobby or Hobby Town USA. So I'll just suffer through building what I brought over here while I smoke my Cuban Cigar and drink really good Sicilian wine at $1.00 per litre. HeHe!LOL
:-)
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YOU JUST CAN'T FIX STUPID!!!!
Oklahoma, United States
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Posted: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 12:45 AM UTC
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Hey Chief, don't abandon the ship yet. We have till the Summer to pick out a model. I just put an order the other day for a Tamiya KV-1B and some aftermarket doo-daads. Just look over the list that Adam posted up and pick something.
Cheers,
CDT Reimund Manneck
U.S. Army ROTC
I am not abandoning the ship, it's just the fact that the 20 kits I brought over to Sicily are the ones I am planning to build (at least attempt anyway) over the 3-4 years I'll be here. The size of the house and the fact I'll have to transport them back is the reason I do not want to buy any more. Also I have to buy everything through the mail is a pain in the butt too. No more running down the street to Hobby Lobby or Hobby Town USA. So I'll just suffer through building what I brought over here while I smoke my Cuban Cigar and drink really good Sicilian wine at $1.00 per litre. HeHe!LOL
:-)
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What's Happening Chief? Long time no see watch out for that Italian Mafia
Wonder if they control the wine making. Have a bunch of Family living there. One really nice Italian women my brothers wife's sister moved back their nice piece if you know what I mean wouldn't of mined giving her an around the world
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Posted: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 06:33 AM UTC
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I understand dio must be built from June 21, but if there are two tanks, and one is previously built, is this okay?
Yes, but only the one built during the group build is considered in the running. It will be entered as one of the four basic categories of armor OOB, armor modifed, other OOB, other modifed.
A diorama is fine as is a plain base or tank sitting on your table top. We are judging the vehicle and not the diorama.
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Posted: Friday, February 14, 2003 - 01:46 AM UTC
Cool!!
Indiana, United States
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Posted: Friday, February 14, 2003 - 09:25 AM UTC
Well, I got in on the tail end, but count me in, too.
"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." Gerald Ford, August 12, 1974
Metro Manila, Philippines
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Posted: Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 06:35 PM UTC
Another question:
Is there a limit to the number of entries? I was thinking of bringing two along. Or one entry per category only?
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Oklahoma, United States
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Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 12:09 AM UTC
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O.k. let's try this again :-):
Here are the acceptable German vehicles:
- Pz. I Ausf. A & B
- Panzerbehfleswagen I Ausf. A & B
- Pz. II Ausf. A - F
- Pz. III Ausf. A - J (J can only be the early one with short-barreled 50mm)
- Pz. IV Ausf. A - F1
- Tauchpanzer III
- StuG III Ausf. A - D
- Pz. 35(t)
- Pz. 38(t) Ausf. A - F
- Flammpanzer II
- Bison I
- Panzerjager I
- Sdkfz 221/222/223
- Sdkfz 251 Ausf. A - C
- Sdkfz 2 Kettenkrad
- Sdkfz 6
- Sdkfz 7 & 7/1
- Sdkfz 8
- Sdkfz 9 FAMO
- Sdkfz 10 Demag (not D7)
- Sdkfz 11
- Sdkfz 252
- Sdkfz 253
- Sdkfz 250 alte
- Sdkfz 231/232 8-rad
- Opel trucks
- Krupp Protze
- Horch
- Steyr 1500A
- Mercedes-Benz L 1500 A
BAD:
- any vehicle of Pz I - IV, Pz. 38(t), or StuG III whose Ausf. #'s don't fall in the above ranges
- Wespe
- Hornisse/Nashorn/Hummel
- Sturm-Infanteriegeschutz 33
- StuG IV
- Jagdpanzer (any)
- Brummbar
- Flakpanzer (any)
- Panther or Jagdpanther
- Tiger or Jagdtiger
- Elefant/Ferdinand
- King Tiger
- Sturmtiger
- Grille (any)
- Bison II
- Sdkfz 251 Ausf D or any vehicle based on that version (e.g. Kanonwagen)
- Sdkfz 231/232 6-rad
- Panzerwerfer 42
- Sdkfz 7/2
- sWS
- Sdkfz 250 Neu or any vehicle based on that version (e.g. Stummel)
- Hetzer
- any vehicle from another country converted to SPA, SPAA, TD
For more information please see: Achtung Panzer.
How about the BMW R-75 cycle
Adam could this be like an add-on or something?
Hello one more on the Russians what about the Stalin organ
Katyusha?
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Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 04:30 AM UTC
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Another question:
Is there a limit to the number of entries? I was thinking of bringing two along. Or one entry per category only?
Not at all, remember this is a build for fun. Don't get wrapped around the axle with a whole bunch of rules and such. Re-read the posts, you guys are making this more complicated than it should be.
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Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 05:11 AM UTC
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Hello one more on the Russians what about the Stalin organ
Katyusha?
According to the Achtung Panzer website, the Soviets had been developing rockets since the 1920s. Here is a list:
-M8, 82mm
-M13, 132mm
-M30, 300mm
-M31, 300mm
The real question regarding our group build would be in which truck you would mount the rockets. The website lists as follow:
-BM-8-36 - ZiS-6 6x6 truck
-BM-8-48 - Studebacker 6x6 truck
-BM-8-24 - T-60 light tank
-BM-13-16 - various trucks and vehicles
-BM-31-12 - ZiS-6 / Studebacker truck
The Zis-6 was in production from 1934-41. The bicture below is of a Zis-6 BM-13 combo:
The Studebacker was a lend-lease form the U.S. and it didn't get shipped to the Soviets until 1942.
Hope this helps you.
Cheers,
CDT Reimund Manneck
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Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 05:40 AM UTC
Also, according to the website where I got the picture, and I quote: "Originally this system [Katyusha] was based on standard Zis-5 but this experience wasn't
successful."
Zvezda, Italeri and Eastern Express all have a Zis-5 in 1/35.
Alan has a Zis-6 BM-13 in 1/35.
AeroPlast has the BM-8-24 mounted on a Tankette.
Here is a an article on how to build a Zis-5 with the rocket launcher:
Zil Rocket Launcher
Cheers,
CDT Reimund Manneck
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Connecticut, United States
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Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 04:21 PM UTC
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I am thinking the kit is mislabeled then, the kit matches the image shown, which clearly states it is the earlier variant. I think the kit actually represents the earlier variant. Do you know what differences there are between the DII 3 and the D7? Perhaps it might only mean a little conversion?
Rob
Hi Rob, I don't know much about the
difference's that's these 2 vehicles had between each other, but as far as exterior feature's, they were identical to each other in photo's showing both with the mounted FlaK30. Probably because the D II 3 was the predecessor to the D7.
- ralph
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Metro Manila, Philippines
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Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 09:03 PM UTC
Thanks Sabot. I just wanted to make sure. I guess, if the rules don't say anything, then it's allowed. :-)
Will be joining (hopefully) the group build then. I can't wait to build my kit(s).
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Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 09:13 PM UTC
I'm in! I might do an Italeri BT-5 or T-26. With a compatriot around it'll not be that difficult to keep myself focused until the build officially starts
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