Stryker Slat PE comparison and comments
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Posted: Friday, May 23, 2008 - 09:31 AM UTC
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I wish I had pics, but I can tell you from doing joint missions with Strykers, they all sag in the back. When they move out from a standing start it looks like they're trying to pop a wheeley!
the driver probably didnt nominalize the Height Management System (HMS) correctly on a flat surface. they do that though, alot things cause it, but it is not correct and over time causes damage to several things
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Posted: Monday, May 26, 2008 - 11:14 PM UTC
Hello to all,
I was at Model Convention this weekend in Nuremberg, Germany. While I was there, I got to meet the Pro Modelers Staff and actually see their Stryker that is posted on this thread. The kit look great up close and in person.
Yufkey
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 08:38 PM UTC
Hey all, I have a question about a few of the Real Model's sets.
I am just about finished with my Stryker (Trump), and about ready to begin my next one. (AFV) I want to get the Real Model set "Stowage set Molle system", a set of the mixed water and mixed soda sheets, and the MRE boxes.
However, all the above are entirely sold out and have been for a couple months at my usual online source, Sprue Bros.
So, what is contained in some of their other stowage systems and would they work for a Styrker?
For instance ;
US Modern Stowage Mega Set -- any of the paper sheets? The ice chest?
LAV-25 Piranha Stowage Set ? I see it includes MRE and soda boxes, what else?
M1A1-A2 stowage? Looks in the photo like it has some paper sheets...?
M2A2 Bradley Stowage Set with PE Side Racks ? That box looks like it includes mixed soda and mixed water
Anyone have a list of which these include? The photos I have found are all too small to really see.
alternatively if y'all know of another online hobby shop in the US or Canada that has the main Real Model Stryker Molle set(s) I want in stock, please let me know. I considered ordering directly from Cz, but the shipping costs appeared to be nearly as much as the sets.
Much thanks everyone, and put more photos up of your Strykers!
tracy
Tracy & Jeni
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 08:52 PM UTC
Hello Tracy,
If you see on my shop, all these sets have big photos with all parts.
Miloslav
http://www.realmodel.cz/zen/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=174&sort=20a&page=3Hope you like it and "watch those negative waves"
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 08:56 PM UTC
Hope you like it and "watch those negative waves"
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 09:01 PM UTC
Actually, Sir, I am on your site right now, trying to determine what all I "need" verses what I can get away with... Not entirely certain if the cooler comes in the Stryker Molle set? Hope so!'
Thanks much.
Tracy & Jeni
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Posted: Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 10:28 PM UTC
For Stryker is very good combination Stryker stowage sets RMA 35138 and RMA 35149. this two set included cooler.
Miloslav
Hope you like it and "watch those negative waves"
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 - 12:57 AM UTC
Having recently acquired the Griffon Stryker set, I can say it is probably the best of all of them; The set costs significantly more, but the parts breakdown and layout on the sheets makes it easier to find per the instruction sheets. The scale thickness is more manageable than that of the other brands ( I bought multiple sets of each brand), but is on par with the PAM set.
The Eduard set is as Mother put it, "bends under your breath. I'm currently working on that set and will have to agree. Soldering the stuff is a meat grinder too. Since Ed decided to release everything in sets to breakdown assembly, I find it harder to keep up with all the multiple etch sheets to find out what goes where. Aaaay!...
The Voyager set is THIN. Nice, but too thin for scale thickness. Nuff said.
The ProArts set is a head scratcher. Ease of assembly? Yes. Less parts? Yes. Nice CD instructions? Yes. Sacrificial Lamb for easier build. Most Definitely. For those who want as realistic as possible, you're better off with any of the other three sets. PAM decided to cast the space armor and hull plates together, so there is no see- through gap in between.
The front part of the space armor is also made in PE, so you have to make sure that when assembling that front half, it lines flush with the rear resin half. I'd preferred if the whole thing was etch. Resin parts are nicely cast, but some are better off in PE due to I SWEAR TO GOD SUPER DUPER FRAGILE PIECES! The square tubing in resin is a very nice touch.
I only had 4 broken pieces between my three sets. The etch frets came in on big sheet, folded multiple times(MULTIPLE) with spacer cards in between.
All the sets parts are broken down in pretty similar fashion for assembly. Copies of each other? Maybe to a degree. The size of parts are different though; Griffons exhaust is larger than that of Ed by a bit. The square tubing in all sets range from 1 to 1.75mm in diameter.
Once I'm done with this Ed set, it'll be my last. I'll be going with the Griffon brand after that, and just putting the others away for, oh, whenever....
Hope this simple quick review helped some...
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 - 03:40 AM UTC
Hope you like it and "watch those negative waves"
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 - 03:55 AM UTC
Never having seen one up close yet, I don't know which is more accurate. They both look good, and are one of the easier parts to handle and build. PAM has theirs in full resin with an etched screen. Only minor issue is you have to shim a piece of plasticard under it. Nice concept, but I like the full etch builds myself.
I've been invited to Ft Leonardwood in July to do a walkabout on the M1126s there. I hope to get inside and take pics and measurements of the interiors. The 1126s there are testbeds for the Chemical vehicle Strykers electronics upgrades, so the plan is to get into one that is bone stock and not modded in anyway. Hopefully...
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 - 05:56 AM UTC
Arnold
Thnaks for your contribution much appreciate
can you post some pcis of the Pe fret and the instruction from Griffon ?
TIA
SEB
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 - 06:17 AM UTC
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 - 07:00 AM UTC
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I've been invited to Ft Leonardwood in July to do a walkabout on the M1126s there. I hope to get inside and take pics and measurements of the interiors. The 1126s there are testbeds for the Chemical vehicle Strykers electronics upgrades, so the plan is to get into one that is bone stock and not modded in anyway. Hopefully...
Good Luck, I help build them and me and everyone else have been living under the pain of death if any pics get released. Loads of others have tried...
Tanks
Andy
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 - 08:06 AM UTC
I've gotten permission from the Program Director ,so its all good. Whether the info I get can be distributed, that'll be on a case by case basis. But you know that already. OPSEC,OPSEC,OPSEC....
Just wish they had other variants in the shop.
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 - 09:58 AM UTC
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I've gotten permission from the Program Director ,so its all good. Whether the info I get can be distributed, that'll be on a case by case basis. But you know that already. OPSEC,OPSEC,OPSEC....
Just wish they had other variants in the shop.
I was allowed to take as many pictures as I wanted, then the flash card was handed over to security and about 80% of the pictures were deleted. Like I said good luck.
Tanks
Andy
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 - 10:21 AM UTC
As said, I hope to get pics of a vanilla vehicle. From what I understand, they put/pull things on these on a constant basis to evaluate. There are more than enough reference material out there to use. I mainly want interior measurements for the seats,shelf structures and all the other boring stuff. The vehicles don't even have the RWS attached, let alone all the cool looking monitors as in the WIP books. I'm bringing a model down so some of the techs there can take a look at one and help with the interior design. These guys were amazed to see the PAM modern commo set in miniature I had lying around.
I consider it a wonderful gesture that they even considered asking me down after seeing an OOB I have here in my office. My hats off to them for the invite. I hope the opportunity will be worthwhile. And the camera works.
@Tankleader: Are they moreso concerned with the computers and whatnot where you work being photographed?
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 - 12:58 PM UTC
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@Tankleader: Are they moreso concerned with the computers and whatnot where you work being photographed?
You pretty muched guessed it, if it has a screen attached or is part of the FBCB2, Blue Force Tracker or any of the new C&C devices you can forget about taking photos. I some that weren't even allowed to measure items and they've written books on the subjects.
Tanks
Andy
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 - 02:00 PM UTC
[quoteYou pretty muched guessed it, if it has a screen attached or is part of the FBCB2, Blue Force Tracker or any of the new C&C devices you can forget about taking photos. I some that weren't even allowed to measure items and they've written books on the subjects.
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this is not entirely true, having served in three of the SBCT's from fort lewis. the PAO and JAG cleared the hundreds of photos i am collaborating with a member here on an up coming book, to include the FSEP Spiral 0 and Spiral 1 platforms. There are dozens of photos of the FBCB2, EPLRS, Routers and even weapons screen shots from the RWS, ATGM and MGS to be included.
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Posted: Monday, June 09, 2008 - 02:26 PM UTC
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[quoteYou pretty muched guessed it, if it has a screen attached or is part of the FBCB2, Blue Force Tracker or any of the new C&C devices you can forget about taking photos. I some that weren't even allowed to measure items and they've written books on the subjects.
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this is not entirely true, having served in three of the SBCT's from fort lewis. the PAO and JAG cleared the hundreds of photos i am collaborating with a member here on an up coming book, to include the FSEP Spiral 0 and Spiral 1 platforms. There are dozens of photos of the FBCB2, EPLRS, Routers and even weapons screen shots from the RWS, ATGM and MGS to be included.
I am probably working with the same guy you are. Now, you need to know that every vehicle comes with it's own classification report that says what and what you can't release or take photo's off. Working were I do and where I did you soon come to realize that many of the PAO offices don't realize these books and regulations exist. Now if you do then you will be pretty much limited to taking external shots only and in some cases only if certain items are tarped of covered. Now of the top of my head I can't remember what those books are called but it's one of those convulted titles. Don't ask your PAO guy about them because he will slam the lid quick on taking photo's.
Tanks
Andy
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 03:17 PM UTC
Other then pro builders from the AM companies, has anyone actually built any of these slat armour kits? I am grinding my way through Pro Modeler's set. I think I need two sets; one to screw up and one to get it right the second time. Unfortunetly I have neither the time or money for two. I am trying get this thing built by the end of July. It's for a group build project.
So far this kit has served to eliminate all illusions I had of being a competent modeler. What I really need at the this moment (besides super-master building skills) is a small bucket of Xanax!
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 04:02 PM UTC
My slat is coming along sloooooowly. I've chosen to solder my first set, and can definitely say it will be the last time too. Glue is where its at. The PAM kit is nice, and will be a quicker build than the other sets.As said, I wish some of the parts were done differently. I like the options that the different sets have regarding the headlights. Between all four brands, you can choose three ways to set them up. The PAM brass buckets are too cool. Now I have a place for all that Mission Model .50 brass!
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 06:06 PM UTC
Mr. Gilmore? You are my hero. I agree with the "need two sets" theory. I started on the Eduard set and I may need to go into counseling before I finish it... I horked up the front assembly so badly, that I am now going to try to use styrene strips for that one instead. I haven't touched the PE slat in a couple weeks, b/c I am still too frustrated and dangit, modelling is supposed to be fun!
When I gather enough courage to start it again -- assy jigs will be my new plan. Thank you for admitting that the slats have made you question your skills... same here.
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Other then pro builders from the AM companies, has anyone actually built any of these slat armour kits? I am grinding my way through Pro Modeler's set. I think I need two sets; one to screw up and one to get it right the second time. Unfortunetly I have neither the time or money for two. I am trying get this thing built by the end of July. It's for a group build project.
So far this kit has served to eliminate all illusions I had of being a competent modeler. What I really need at the this moment (besides super-master building skills) is a small bucket of Xanax!
Tracy & Jeni
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Posted: Thursday, June 19, 2008 - 06:39 PM UTC
If you are using the PAM kit, be very careful with the CD instructions. It is very easy to misread. I got one whole side of panel E off by one tab hole. I had to completely take it apart and start over. If you are using CA, here is nifty idea, jusr drop the whole unit in a small dish of nail polish remover. In a couple of hours you can pull it all apart with ease and reassemble. I now have panel E back together in the correct form. Looks good.
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 05:29 AM UTC
So .... after reading through the thread I'm still a bit confused ... I'd like to build up a Stryker as used in Iraq. I have both the Trump kit and AFV kit . Which accessories should I look for, for each kit?
1. New RWS from AFV for the Trump kit.
2. Slat armor (which one?)
3. Add-on armor plate (which one?)
4. What other mods??
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Posted: Sunday, July 06, 2008 - 07:28 AM UTC
No matter which set you use, be prepared for headaches, and be prepared to spend money. For the Trump kit, you can use the AFV or Voyager RWS. If you wanna save some money, buy the BIG ED etch set for either vehicle.It comes with everything. The M1130 set has blast shields, the M1126 doesn't. The PAM set doesn't have blast shields either. Those can be bought seperately from EDUARD.
Every other set from all other AM makers will have to be bought to bring your model to full tilt. Again, it all comes down to how much you wanna burn into your wallet.
