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White 666 Semi-Tractor
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Monday, August 03, 2015 - 04:26 AM UTC
Thanks guys! Back home again now, feeling much better. Still have a small drain installed where my gall bladder used to be. Also I am now on a ten day regimen of out-patient visits to an Infection Clinic for IV antibiotics every day.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Monday, August 03, 2015 - 04:27 AM UTC
Started today "distressing" the top deck of the trailer:
Borrowed a trick from my War Hammer modeling son; he uses a staining wash from Citadel (Games Workshop Ltd. UK) called "Shade Nuln Oil". So after a base coat of basic OD I went over the decking with this shading oil. Results shown above. Weathering pastels to follow.
Borrowed a trick from my War Hammer modeling son; he uses a staining wash from Citadel (Games Workshop Ltd. UK) called "Shade Nuln Oil". So after a base coat of basic OD I went over the decking with this shading oil. Results shown above. Weathering pastels to follow.
DocEvan
Joined: August 09, 2014
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Posted: Monday, August 03, 2015 - 06:07 AM UTC
Soy sauce makes an excellent stain/weathering effect for scale wood....lot cheaper too!
Testors has small small bottle of enamel wood stains as well. the local Michael's crafts store has them.
I am loving how this project is turning out! More pics, please!!
Testors has small small bottle of enamel wood stains as well. the local Michael's crafts store has them.
I am loving how this project is turning out! More pics, please!!
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Started today "distressing" the top deck of the trailer:
Borrowed a trick from my War Hammer modeling son; he uses a staining wash from Citadel (Games Workshop Ltd. UK) called "Shade Nuln Oil". So after a base coat of basic OD I went over the decking with this shading oil. Weathering chalk to follow.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Monday, August 03, 2015 - 09:24 AM UTC
Pastel weathering in process and trailer wheels have now been added.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Monday, August 03, 2015 - 09:29 AM UTC
I really like the Soy Sauce stain idea but I think that stuff only works on actual wood - less so on resin or plastic "wood".
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 - 02:46 AM UTC
I thought I might bring this vampire out into the sunlight so everyone could get a look at the actual weathering colors involved:
Looks like I might need to add more dust to those rear tires on the tractor. They are looking a little too clean compared to all the rest!
Looks like I might need to add more dust to those rear tires on the tractor. They are looking a little too clean compared to all the rest!
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 - 02:52 AM UTC
Working on thinning down the fifth wheel and making the details a bit more delicate yet more pronounced:
Drilling out the mounting bolts in the base of the fifth wheel to replace them with new, smaller bolt head castings.
Drilling out the mounting bolts in the base of the fifth wheel to replace them with new, smaller bolt head castings.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 - 05:29 AM UTC
Perfect belated birthday present! Buddy of mine sent me the MMiR monograph by David Doyle on the White 666 variants.
Pat Stansell photo.
Pat Stansell photo.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 - 07:11 AM UTC
New arrival on the work bench: Ma Deuce from Tasca - looks like the White is gong to have a fully modeled .50 up top!
The reviews on this kit talk about an old and a new style cradle but the instructions are all in Japaneese. Can not tell which is which. Can anyone help on this question?
The reviews on this kit talk about an old and a new style cradle but the instructions are all in Japaneese. Can not tell which is which. Can anyone help on this question?
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 - 07:18 AM UTC
Could still do a covered .50 which to me makes more sense - (but it wouldn't look near as nice!)
Besides, I've done the covered version of the .50 cal already!
Besides, I've done the covered version of the .50 cal already!
DocEvan
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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 - 07:21 AM UTC
Absolutely wonderful, Mike!!
ericadeane
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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 - 04:16 PM UTC
Mike: Regarding the Asuka/Tasca M2 Browning .50cal HB Machine gun review -- to say "early" or "late" MG cradle isn't really helpful. The various cradles were used depending on the sort of mount was required. Was it a fixed post atop a tank turret? Was it attached to a pintle inserted into a trolley in a truck's MG ring (like you have)? Was it affixed to a tripod for static AA defense?
This can help:
http://www.usarmymodels.com/ARTICLES/MG%20Mounts/MGmounts%20page%201.html
Specifically, you want cradle D40733 and the M49 Skate (which you can grab from a DML Half track kit) http://www.usarmymodels.com/ARTICLES/MG%20Mounts/MGmounts%20page%204%20D40733.html
This can help:
http://www.usarmymodels.com/ARTICLES/MG%20Mounts/MGmounts%20page%201.html
Specifically, you want cradle D40733 and the M49 Skate (which you can grab from a DML Half track kit) http://www.usarmymodels.com/ARTICLES/MG%20Mounts/MGmounts%20page%204%20D40733.html
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 - 04:32 PM UTC
Thanks Roy for picking up on my question regarding the correct cradle. Problem solved. Don't think I would have figured that one out on my own.
I have a skate from the Tamiya after market gun ring (meant to represent the M49 trolley I believe) that I plan on using but I will be adding back the many missing handles, levers and lock downs that DON'T come with that item.
I have a skate from the Tamiya after market gun ring (meant to represent the M49 trolley I believe) that I plan on using but I will be adding back the many missing handles, levers and lock downs that DON'T come with that item.
ericadeane
Joined: October 28, 2002
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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 - 05:07 PM UTC
Glad to help Mike. Your work on the trucks and trailers is a great source of inspiration to me--- I have many GMCs, Chevys and Studebaker trucks on my "to do" list.
One mistake from my previous post. The M49 carriage (PN D40720) which is what I referenced above can be distinguished by the bent elbow of the main locking lever http://www.bmgparts.com/products/6540721Low.jpg
I believe that D40721 carriage assembly (per the USArmymodels article) is either the M36 or M37 carriage. It's denoted by the straight side arms of the locking lever.
Finally, here is the M30 skate (which was used on M2 halftracks and M3A1 scout cars). These generally were not used on MG rings but usually on the longer skate rails. http://www.bmgparts.com/products/scoutskate.jpg http://www.usarmymodels.com/ARTICLES/MG%20Mounts/MGmounts%20page%203%20D36960.html
One mistake from my previous post. The M49 carriage (PN D40720) which is what I referenced above can be distinguished by the bent elbow of the main locking lever http://www.bmgparts.com/products/6540721Low.jpg
I believe that D40721 carriage assembly (per the USArmymodels article) is either the M36 or M37 carriage. It's denoted by the straight side arms of the locking lever.
Finally, here is the M30 skate (which was used on M2 halftracks and M3A1 scout cars). These generally were not used on MG rings but usually on the longer skate rails. http://www.bmgparts.com/products/scoutskate.jpg http://www.usarmymodels.com/ARTICLES/MG%20Mounts/MGmounts%20page%203%20D36960.html
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 - 05:23 PM UTC
Now you are laying down a "yellow brick road" for me to follow! I'll be an expert by the time I get done with your training!
Thanks again Roy!
Thanks again Roy!
OddBall84
Joined: May 20, 2015
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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 - 05:28 PM UTC
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Have not found a lot of reference on the semi-tractor out there but there is a bit.
I suppose you already have this?
http://www.tankograd.com/cms/website.php?id=/en/white-brockway-corbitt-6-ton.htm
OddBall84
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Posted: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 - 05:42 PM UTC
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Perfect belated birthday present! Buddy of mine sent me the MMiR monograph by David Doyle on the White 666 variants.
Pat Stansell photo.
Have browsed some of these books recently and they offer an excellent array of quality photographs that present great views of what the modeler needs.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 - 02:21 AM UTC
I continue to try and further refine the lines of the fifth wheel.
Improved the frame mounting bolts, opened up more of the details on the base and I have added a thin lip all the way around the contact face plate.
I will try again to take a scribe and improve the grease groove around the surface of the contact face plate but so far I have tried once already without much success.
Improved the frame mounting bolts, opened up more of the details on the base and I have added a thin lip all the way around the contact face plate.
I will try again to take a scribe and improve the grease groove around the surface of the contact face plate but so far I have tried once already without much success.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Thursday, August 06, 2015 - 09:08 AM UTC
Some reference on military fifth wheel construction:
4 ton Autocar semi-tractor; Auburn Victory Museum
All photos copyright Michael Koenig - if reposted please give photo credit.
4 ton Autocar semi-tractor; Auburn Victory Museum
All photos copyright Michael Koenig - if reposted please give photo credit.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Monday, August 10, 2015 - 08:02 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextHave not found a lot of reference on the semi-tractor out there but there is a bit.
I suppose you already have this?
http://www.tankograd.com/cms/website.php?id=/en/white-brockway-corbitt-6-ton.htm
Back at work just today for the first time in 3 weeks (Gall Bladder out + Severe Infection) and happily this was waiting for me on my desk.
Again not much in the way of photo reference on the White semi-tractor. There are a few post war photos of the heavy duty Sterling modified White tractor (larger tires and rear chain drive) but that is about it.
OddBall84
Joined: May 20, 2015
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Posted: Monday, August 10, 2015 - 08:56 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Back at work just today for the first time in 3 weeks (Gall Bladder out + Severe Infection) and happily this was waiting for me on my desk.
Again not much in the way of photo reference on the White semi-tractor. There are a few post war photos of the Sterling modified heavy duty White tractor (larger tires and rear chain drive) but that is about it.
Despite that you will love it for the detailed insight it provides the modeler into how a vehicle is built and what the differences between variants are.
For color reference the other book(s) will do the job.
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 - 03:13 AM UTC
It has been awhile since I posted anything on this baby; here is how the fifth wheel on the White tractor is shaping up:
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 - 03:32 AM UTC
Keeping the hope alive that I will make it with all three pieces to the Dayton Show on 9/19!
Don't know what class to put this rig into??? The tractor by itself could go in the "Scratch Build & Conversions" class. The trailer and the Bulldozer are more or less "Out of the Box" soft skins with many, many extra details added.
I might just split them up with the tractor going one way and the Dozer + Trailer going another!
Don't know what class to put this rig into??? The tractor by itself could go in the "Scratch Build & Conversions" class. The trailer and the Bulldozer are more or less "Out of the Box" soft skins with many, many extra details added.
I might just split them up with the tractor going one way and the Dozer + Trailer going another!
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 - 04:01 AM UTC
I am afraid I have been spending most of my time on the load this White Tractor has to pull!
165thspc
#521
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Posted: Tuesday, September 01, 2015 - 07:39 PM UTC
White Truck Assembly Plant
Photo Ken Goudy Collection
Photo Ken Goudy Collection
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