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Posted: Thursday, September 03, 2015 - 10:08 PM UTC
While not a semi-tractor there are some very nice photos of a restored White 666 cargo at:

http://tanksim.org.ru/references/ljs/white666trucksljs/white666ljs.php

Photos by Liejon Schoot
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Posted: Friday, September 04, 2015 - 01:45 AM UTC
A typical fifth wheel shown here on a civilian 2 axle White COE.


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Posted: Friday, September 04, 2015 - 10:20 AM UTC
Got some good work in this evening; Final body paint work, windshield, seats, marker lights and the skate (trolley) for the 50 cal. on the gun ring were all installed.




AND . . . . . .

I got the cloth top fitted to the body and laid down the initial base coat of paint for the top as well. With a little cleaning and sanding the top snaps into place and fits like a glove!



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Posted: Friday, September 04, 2015 - 10:23 AM UTC
Also did the final work on the deck plate behind the winch and got that installed. It now sits a little taller on the frame than it used to.

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Posted: Friday, September 04, 2015 - 04:27 PM UTC

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One thing I really liked about the HobbyBoss model was that the front wheel hubs freely rotate around the constant velocity ball joints until final gluing. This allows the modeler to locate the wheels at whatever steering angle they might wish.

One word of caution though, as I say the hubs rotate freely around the CV joints in ALL directions and there is nothing to keep them at a vertical angle while the glue is drying. Care must be taken to set the hub/axle assembly on a flat surface and weight the hubs so they will end up at 90 degrees to the ground.

p.s. You might notice that I cut out the unrealistic "pan" that HobbyBoss chose to use to enclose the bottom of the engine area. I just hate that fake effect!


FYI ONLY- The "toe-out on turns" IS NOT exaggerated in this photo; many modellers forget about this when modelling wheeled vehicles "in the middle of a turn" or when parked with the front wheels pointing in either left or right...
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Posted: Friday, September 04, 2015 - 09:00 PM UTC
Could you explain that please? The wheels DO toe out durning a turn??? I know the tops of the tires lean outward on a turn!
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Posted: Saturday, September 05, 2015 - 04:53 AM UTC
Question up for voting: I have some canvas doors that would work with a bit of modification to fully winterize the cab. Should I do it? Should I add them to the existing vehicle doors? Of course the driver's door would still stand open so you can see the cab interrior.
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Posted: Saturday, September 05, 2015 - 05:58 AM UTC

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Could you explain that please? The wheels DO toe out durning a turn??? I know the tops of the tires lean outward on a turn!


Denis means that during a turn the inside front wheel turns more than the outside wheel. When looking at from overhead the wheel on the inside of the turn has turned more than the wheel on the outside of the vehicle.
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Posted: Saturday, September 05, 2015 - 10:46 PM UTC
Question up for voting: I have some canvas doors that would work with a bit of modification to fully winterize the cab. Should I do it? Should I add them to the existing vehicle doors? Of course the driver's door would still stand open so you can see the cab interrior.



Standard winterizing door from the Tamiya Deuce and a Half AM set. As you can see I cut the stock Tamiya piece nearly in half. The small part that hangs down over the top edge of the door is a canvas pass-through flap that "since the windows don't roll down" allows the driver and passenger to present orders or show identification papers to guards at check points.
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Denis means that during a turn the inside front wheel turns more than the outside wheel. When looking at from overhead the wheel on the inside of the turn has turned more than the wheel on the outside of the vehicle.


OK that much I know, but whenever I try to achieve that affect I feel I tend to overdo it, so on the White I just thought I would play it a little safer.
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Posted: Sunday, September 06, 2015 - 12:24 AM UTC

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Denis means that during a turn the inside front wheel turns more than the outside wheel. When looking at from overhead the wheel on the inside of the turn has turned more than the wheel on the outside of the vehicle.


I forgot, I DID give the White a very slight "Toe Out on the Inside if a Turn". Just tried not to overdo it.

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Posted: Sunday, September 06, 2015 - 07:28 AM UTC
Tonight I wound the winch cable onto the winch drum and since the drum does not rotate that was a bit of an undertaking.



Was not really sure just how to tie off the hook on the vehicle. This is what I did but I am open to suggestions if anyone might know what the correct practice should be here.
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2015 - 06:32 PM UTC
I am really not liking the way I tied off the winch cable to the spare tire bracket. Maybe I should just have the hook laying over the winch drum, perhaps with a smaller piece of rope going around the winch drum to keep the main cable from unwinding????


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Something like this - it looks like there might be some kind of metal tab the cable eye is hooked on to.
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2015 - 07:01 PM UTC
I guess maybe you could use a shackle, just like on this M26...

http://data4.primeportal.net/recovery/emmanuel_michaut/m26/images/m26_07_of_19.jpg

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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2015 - 07:06 PM UTC
That is more or less what I was thinking. Or weld (glue) a U shaped piece of rod in that position on my winch.

Looks like it is too late to help that Dragon Wagon. Those cables are going to take some sorting out there!
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2015 - 07:11 PM UTC
Depending on how much they used the winch, they might have just snagged the hook on the deck plate and snugged up the cable. We did ours to the tow pin on our dozers.
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2015 - 07:17 PM UTC
Mike: do you have the Ampersand book on the Dragon Wagon? On page 21, there are pictures of how the winch cables were stored on the DW's twin winches. The end of the cable was attached to a coupling and not to a hook. This enabled the crews to attach hooks or other shackles, depending on the need. The coupling is large and simply hung in place.
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2015 - 10:38 PM UTC
Yep, I'm gonna change that cable end! I have a couple of the "ends" you are talking about left over in my Dragon Wagon parts box. However those are rated for 20 tons so they are going to be a bit oversized for the White's smaller Tulsa winch.

Anyone have stats on what the winch on the White was rated at?
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Posted: Monday, September 07, 2015 - 11:52 PM UTC

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Anyone have stats on what the winch on the White was rated at?


According to the specs you can find here :

http://www.armyvehicles.dk/white666.htm

the winch has a 2700 kg capacity.

H.P.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 - 12:47 AM UTC
Doing the metric to Imperial conversion that would be almost 6000 lbs. or 3 tons. Thanks
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 - 08:41 AM UTC
Tonight I was working on building more track links for my D7 Caterpillar dozer and sort of forgot about my plans for revising the winch cable end on my White semi-tractor.

I did however manage to dig some winch cable ends out of my Dragon Wagon parts box and I will try to work them in tomorrow.



Now I am debating, drill out the clevis pin holes in the cable end and stop at that or snap the hook into the end of it???
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 - 03:01 PM UTC

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Could you explain that please? The wheels DO toe out durning a turn??? I know the tops of the tires lean outward on a turn!


Hi, Mike! VERY DEFINITELY, Toe-out on turns! This all comes under the heading of "SUSPENSION GEOMETRY". Proper Wheel Alignment entails the following:

1. Caster

2. Camber

3. Toe-in, and

4. Toe-out on turns

Back in High School, a hundred years ago, , (Automotive High School, Brooklyn, NY, Class of 1972, Engine & Chassis syllabus), we engaged in learning all about, and working on "Wheel Alignment" waaaay before they'd let us start tearing engines down... It was fun- We all went into the Automotive business after graduating...

Toe-in is not really noticeable (unless you measure it) when the wheels are oriented in the "fore-and-aft" position, although Camber is, depending on the vehicle. Toe-out on turns is decidedly more so, especially with the distance between the wheels at front & rear of the tire tread, AND Camber, at the top of the tires... You're an Antique Car fan, Mike- Check out a Model A Ford with her wheels turned in one direction or the other sometime, and you'll see quite well what I'm talking about... It just so happens that this is quite obvious on Model As, if you know what you're looking for. Most people don't notice these things...
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 - 03:13 PM UTC

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Tonight I was working on building more track links for my D7 Caterpillar dozer and sort of forgot about my plans for revising the winch cable end on my White semi-tractor.

I did however manage to dig some winch cable ends out of my Dragon Wagon parts box and I will try to work them in tomorrow.



Now I am debating, drill out the clevis pin holes in the cable end and stop at that or snap the hook into the end of it???


DRILL 'em out! Drill 'em out! You can always install your own clevis pins, secured with your own scratch-built "quick-release" pins, (a la hood lock pins), after you've placed your tow cables in their proper positions. If your modelling vehicles in the midst of a "tow-job" which are in a stationary position, (as in not moving) don't forget to leave a little bit of slack in your cables, unless your vehicles are to be depicted "in action" of actually being under way during the "tow-job"...

Comments as to the the disposition of tow cables on "DRAGON WAGONS", etc, are EXACTLY RIGHT, by the way...

PS- BEAUTIFUL WORK!!!
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 - 03:25 PM UTC

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Denis means that during a turn the inside front wheel turns more than the outside wheel. When looking at from overhead the wheel on the inside of the turn has turned more than the wheel on the outside of the vehicle.


I forgot, I DID give the White a very slight "Toe Out on the Inside if a Turn". Just tried not to overdo it.



Your Toe-out on turns LOOKS REALLY GOOD! Just RIGHT! It's there, but not overdone. That's exactly how I do it on ALL my wheeled vehicles when the front (and rear wheels on certain WWII German vehicles; 8-wheelers have ALL their wheels oriented properly) are depicted as turned in one direction or the other... I can't really tell, but did you allow for a little bit of positive Camber at the tops of your tires? That WILL be noticeable when viewed from certain angles...
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Posted: Tuesday, September 08, 2015 - 03:32 PM UTC

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Could you explain that please? The wheels DO toe out durning a turn??? I know the tops of the tires lean outward on a turn!


Denis means that during a turn the inside front wheel turns more than the outside wheel. When looking at from overhead the wheel on the inside of the turn has turned more than the wheel on the outside of the vehicle.


Hi, Daryl! THANKS MUCH for the acknowledgement! YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT! If the wheels weren't adjusted for Toe-out on turns, you'd be going through a set of front tires VERY REGULARLY, not to mention screwing up and wearing out your whole steering assembly!
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