Dave and Mike,
Thanks for the excellent words of encouragement guys.
I spent some time yesterday stabilizing the figures poses and starting to refine them. Several joins were very precarious and needed some extra pieces of plastic to get them firmed up before I start slathering putty on them. I am still thinking I need a guy next to the Ritterkreutztrager as I don't think he would be left alone.
J
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jrutman
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Posted: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 - 01:43 AM UTC
Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 - 02:15 AM UTC
Hi Jerry
Your Traction Avant reminds me of this one you may already know :
Keep on the amazing work !
H.P.
Your Traction Avant reminds me of this one you may already know :
Keep on the amazing work !
H.P.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 - 07:38 AM UTC
Thanks Frenchie,
Yes,I saw this pic the first time maybe about 45 years ago. It is very well known.
I have always wondered what the opinion would be of a forensic examiner concerning the head wound of the general.
It always looked to me like there were two possibilities. A bullet that sent a piece of glass from the windscreen backwards to cut his scalp or...the painful option that his corpse was mutilated after death,because that would is not caused by a bullet. Too straight,clean and sharp. Plus,the bodies of the driver and general were bothed pulled from the car after death for a better "photo op"
J
Yes,I saw this pic the first time maybe about 45 years ago. It is very well known.
I have always wondered what the opinion would be of a forensic examiner concerning the head wound of the general.
It always looked to me like there were two possibilities. A bullet that sent a piece of glass from the windscreen backwards to cut his scalp or...the painful option that his corpse was mutilated after death,because that would is not caused by a bullet. Too straight,clean and sharp. Plus,the bodies of the driver and general were bothed pulled from the car after death for a better "photo op"
J
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Posted: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 - 08:49 AM UTC
I'm afraid you could be right with your option #2....
H.P.
H.P.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 - 07:25 PM UTC
Hej Jerry,
this is really major league..!! Sometimes I wonder if sculpting over armature wouldn't be easier!!??
Capital idea anyway!! This build is yeat again going to be real special!!
Congratulations (anticipated) m8!
Cheers
Romain
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Posted: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 01:59 AM UTC
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Hej Jerry,
this is really major league..!! Sometimes I wonder if sculpting over armature wouldn't be easier!!??
Capital idea anyway!! This build is yeat again going to be real special!!
Congratulations (anticipated) m8!
Cheers
Romain
Nah Yo!!
I have tried to use the armature method and this way works faster for me. I suppose because this is how I started all those years ago with Shep Paines' books.
I did go to art school but,it never "took"! Heeheehee
Thanks for the props Romain!
J
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Posted: Friday, September 19, 2014 - 07:17 AM UTC
Made some progress on the traction avant
Splinter damage and hood vents added
I removed the door window surround on the right side one pictured here. They are only there to hold the clear part on and thus won't be needed. My windows are rolled down
Splinter damage and hood vents added
I removed the door window surround on the right side one pictured here. They are only there to hold the clear part on and thus won't be needed. My windows are rolled down
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Posted: Friday, September 19, 2014 - 08:20 AM UTC
Wow Jerry, that damage looks very realistic!!!
Superb job!! Poor traction avant!! My father owned one and he said it was the best car he ever had!!
Cheers
Romain
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Posted: Friday, September 19, 2014 - 09:40 AM UTC
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Wow Jerry, that damage looks very realistic!!!
Superb job!! Poor traction avant!! My father owned one and he said it was the best car he ever had!!
Cheers
Romain
Thanks!! I am wondering what was used for the seat stuffing? Horse hair maybe?
J
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Posted: Friday, September 19, 2014 - 09:52 AM UTC
Excellent Jerry, especially the tyres.
Al
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Posted: Friday, September 19, 2014 - 09:53 AM UTC
Jerry,
The details and destruction are coming along very nicely!
I've always liked the body lines of this car a lot ... showroom fresh ... or destroyed!
I keep mea!ning to ask: Is this the Tamiya kit?
You mentioned "windows are rolled down." I was wondering ... could the rear windows be rolled down completely into the door frame or would a portion still be visible since the wheel-well protrudes into the door area?
—mike
The details and destruction are coming along very nicely!
I've always liked the body lines of this car a lot ... showroom fresh ... or destroyed!
I keep mea!ning to ask: Is this the Tamiya kit?You mentioned "windows are rolled down." I was wondering ... could the rear windows be rolled down completely into the door frame or would a portion still be visible since the wheel-well protrudes into the door area?
—mike
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Posted: Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 03:14 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Jerry,
The details and destruction are coming along very nicely!
I've always liked the body lines of this car a lot ... showroom fresh ... or destroyed!
You mentioned "windows are rolled down." I was wondering ... could the rear windows be rolled down completely into the door frame or would a portion still be visible since the wheel-well protrudes into the door area?
—mike
Yup,
This be the new Tamiya kit. Nice little kit it is too. I haven't put any clear parts in yet but you have to be correct. No room for the rear door winder to go down all the way.
Thanks for the reminder(or heads up actually).
J
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Posted: Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 04:22 PM UTC
Hi Jerry - excellent work as always - nice to see you doing your "surgery" on a vehicle tho - usually figures!
Also, I enjoyed seeing your retrospective on projects - great stuff! I remember seeing your German building some time ago - that was a very inspirational build for me - I remember thinking wow!! THATs a build!!
Looking forward to seeing your next update
Cheers
Nick
Also, I enjoyed seeing your retrospective on projects - great stuff! I remember seeing your German building some time ago - that was a very inspirational build for me - I remember thinking wow!! THATs a build!!
Looking forward to seeing your next update
Cheers
Nick
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Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 05:14 AM UTC
Thanks as always for the kind comments Nick! I do mean to return to the German city dio sometime this winter,when it not so nice outside!
J
J
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Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 06:09 AM UTC
I agree with Nick Jerry, that's a great build too. I look forward to you getting back to it, but this build is absolutely stunning too!
I think the car is going to be awesome as well, with or without glass in the rear side windows. I doubt that there would be glass un-shattered in either of the windows in the back, but stranger things have happened in the randomness of events, especially in times of war.
On a similar vein, I remember when the tornado ripped through Edmonton years ago that my Aunt and Uncles roof was quite damaged, and yet their neighbours house was unscathed! Go figure?
Always glad to see another update from you Jerry, always makes me want to get back to the bench myself...
Later dude
I think the car is going to be awesome as well, with or without glass in the rear side windows. I doubt that there would be glass un-shattered in either of the windows in the back, but stranger things have happened in the randomness of events, especially in times of war.
On a similar vein, I remember when the tornado ripped through Edmonton years ago that my Aunt and Uncles roof was quite damaged, and yet their neighbours house was unscathed! Go figure?
Always glad to see another update from you Jerry, always makes me want to get back to the bench myself...
Later dude
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Posted: Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 06:52 AM UTC
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I am wondering what was used for the seat stuffing? Horse hair maybe?
AFAIK you're right
H.P.
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2014 - 01:45 AM UTC
Thanks French,
You constantly amaze me with the ref pics that you pull out of the hat. This is valuable to me.
J
You constantly amaze me with the ref pics that you pull out of the hat. This is valuable to me.
J
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2014 - 02:36 AM UTC
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Thanks French,
You constantly amaze me with the ref pics that you pull out of the hat. This is valuable to me.
J
And not only to you!!
Merci Henri-Pierre!
Cheers
Romain
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2014 - 03:57 AM UTC
You're welcome guys
Here's the naked frame :
the horse hair is wrapped in hessian :
et voilà
(from http://camrc.free.fr/membres/20120618/restauration_traction11.html )
H.P.
Here's the naked frame :
the horse hair is wrapped in hessian :
et voilà
(from http://camrc.free.fr/membres/20120618/restauration_traction11.html )
H.P.
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2014 - 06:30 AM UTC
Thanks again Franchie,
This raises another question but too late now for me. The area under the seat at the sides seems to be open and just the tubular frame. The kit is a solid piece. But the original could have a cloth cover down to the floor maybe?
Anyway,too late for me as the seats are already glued on and partially painted. Plus,my Oberst will be obscruring part of it anyhow I think,
J
This raises another question but too late now for me. The area under the seat at the sides seems to be open and just the tubular frame. The kit is a solid piece. But the original could have a cloth cover down to the floor maybe?
Anyway,too late for me as the seats are already glued on and partially painted. Plus,my Oberst will be obscruring part of it anyhow I think,
J
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Posted: Monday, September 22, 2014 - 06:46 AM UTC
Maybe it could be OK : I've just found that thicker seats could be fitted( factory option ?), with coil springs in lieu of horse hair :
Maybe these are those replicated by Tamiya...
H.P.
Maybe these are those replicated by Tamiya...
H.P.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 02:08 AM UTC
These look a bit posh for the WWII version. The Tamiya kit seems to include a bit of the posh seats and the more austere ones as well.
Thanks again buddy,you never fail. The French Orickal!!!
J
Thanks again buddy,you never fail. The French Orickal!!!
J
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These look a bit posh for the WWII version. The Tamiya kit seems to include a bit of the posh seats and the more austere ones as well.
What about these
? (1936 11AL version) I guess they look the part... :
PS : I didn't know about Orikal until now
H.P.
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Posted: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 08:20 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted TextThese look a bit posh for the WWII version. The Tamiya kit seems to include a bit of the posh seats and the more austere ones as well.
What about these
PS : I didn't know about Orikal until now
H.P.
Hahaha I probably spelled Orikal wrong but I think you know what I mean?
That last pic of the seta seems to be the one Tamiya went with. Pretty close. So it looks like I am in the clear anyway!! Thanks Henri,
J
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Posted: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 08:49 AM UTC
I've done a quick search and found this :
http://marvel.wikia.com/Orikal_(Earth-616)
I guess I should take that as a compliment...Thanks
Keep on the good work Jerry !
H.P.
http://marvel.wikia.com/Orikal_(Earth-616)
I guess I should take that as a compliment...Thanks
Keep on the good work Jerry !
H.P.
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