Santa was nice enough to bring me a Cyber Hobby Pz.Kpfw. III Ausf G "Afrika Korp" kit for Christmas.
Since it lacks any interior detailing, specifically the turret, I am stepping up to the challenge that my eldest son Mason (aka MasonTheKid) put forth...scratch build the interior, and at a better quality that I did with my Tamiya SdKfz. 232 8-RAD.
With that being said, I will begin with the hull, but am considering excluding the transmission since that won't be visible with my plans...
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Posted: Saturday, December 31, 2011 - 12:33 PM UTC
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 04:18 AM UTC
Starting on the hull. My first real problem is to figure our how to form the diamond plate of the floor as I build wall/floor/cabinet structures.
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 04:37 AM UTC
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Starting on the hull. My first real problem is to figure our how to form the diamond plate of the floor as I build wall/floor/cabinet structures.
Very "old school" and quite interesting project.
For the floor texture, I think you have three options:
1. Evergreen or Plastruc textured sheet styrene or ABS.
2. Etched brass sheet, like from Aber.
3. Scratching the texture.
I assume that options 1. and 2. are out, so here's a technique for scratching the texture:
Take a piece of woven wire screening (the finer the weave, the finer the final texture). Measure the size of your floor area, and cut a piece of aluminum foil the same size (or slightly larger).
Lay the foil over the screen wire and emboss the the foil with the screen texture. Use a soft rubber tool like a pencil eraser and a pressing motion (rather than a side-to-side scrubbing motion) to create the texture on the foil.
The foil can now be glued down to the styrene floor plate. Micro-Mask makes a foil adheasive for airplane modelers, but there are other options. You could even use CA, especially the slow setting type that can be spread. Obviously, the textured foil has to be handled carefully. You can't really press down on it when gluing, but sometimes you can turn the assembly upside down and put a small weight on it while the glue sets - just nothing too heavy, only enough weight to get the foil glued on evenly.
If you use a piece of foil slightly larger then the desired floor plate, you can trim the edges after the glue sets. Cut or sand down against the foil with the edge of the floor plate under it to guide the knife or sanding block.
The trick to doing this is finding a piece of wire screen with the right sized weave to make the desired diamond tread pattern. The final detail is also a bit "soft," but for an interior that's mostly hidden in the shadows, it works pretty well, and if carefully done, will even look OK on exposed fender tops, etc.
You could try to use the kit fender diamond tread patterns as the "die" for embossing the foil (instead of the screen), but I've alwasy had trouble "indexing" sucessive "pressings" and so the results have lacked a certain mechanical precision. But this will work, too.
Good luck!
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 05:41 AM UTC
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Quoted TextStarting on the hull. My first real problem is to figure our how to form the diamond plate of the floor as I build wall/floor/cabinet structures.
Very "old school" and quite interesting project.
For the floor texture, I think you have three options:
1. Evergreen or Plastruc textured sheet styrene or ABS.
2. Etched brass sheet, like from Aber.
3. Scratching the texture.
I assume that options 1. and 2. are out, so here's a technique for scratching the texture:
Take a piece of woven wire screening (the finer the weave, the finer the final texture). Measure the size of your floor area, and cut a piece of aluminum foil the same size (or slightly larger).
Lay the foil over the screen wire and emboss the the foil with the screen texture. Use a soft rubber tool like a pencil eraser and a pressing motion (rather than a side-to-side scrubbing motion) to create the texture on the foil.
The foil can now be glued down to the styrene floor plate. Micro-Mask makes a foil adheasive for airplane modelers, but there are other options. You could even use CA, especially the slow setting type that can be spread. Obviously, the textured foil has to be handled carefully. You can't really press down on it when gluing, but sometimes you can turn the assembly upside down and put a small weight on it while the glue sets - just nothing too heavy, only enough weight to get the foil glued on evenly.
If you use a piece of foil slightly larger then the desired floor plate, you can trim the edges after the glue sets. Cut or sand down against the foil with the edge of the floor plate under it to guide the knife or sanding block.
The trick to doing this is finding a piece of wire screen with the right sized weave to make the desired diamond tread pattern. The final detail is also a bit "soft," but for an interior that's mostly hidden in the shadows, it works pretty well, and if carefully done, will even look OK on exposed fender tops, etc.
You could try to use the kit fender diamond tread patterns as the "die" for embossing the foil (instead of the screen), but I've alwasy had trouble "indexing" sucessive "pressings" and so the results have lacked a certain mechanical precision. But this will work, too.
Good luck!
Mike, thanks! My wife picked the kit while looking over a Sprue Brother's sale for Mason, our eldest son (aka MasonTheKid here). She knew I was interested in the DAK from growing up in the desert of California as a kid, so she ordered this and a Sherman "El Alamein" for Mason.
I tried to track down Evergreeen and Plastistruct without any luck. I did find Archer Resin tread plate, so I ordered that. If that fails, I am going to try your posted method....many thanks!
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 06:35 AM UTC
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Posted: Monday, January 02, 2012 - 02:59 PM UTC
Neal,
I will be following this one closely. I have this kit waiting in the wings and would love to model it with the hatches open!
I will be following this one closely. I have this kit waiting in the wings and would love to model it with the hatches open!
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Posted: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 - 11:02 AM UTC
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Neal,
I will be following this one closely. I have this kit waiting in the wings and would love to model it with the hatches open!
Thanks Art!
After spending some significant time going through stuff that I could use to complete my initial goal here, I decided to order the Verlinden interior and engine compartment. I just don't have anything that I could use for the transmission housings.
Though they are for a Tamiya kit, I figured I would use what I could and scratch-build the rest. I committed to this approach after making three different sets of angled ammo cabinets without getting the sizing correct.
...I'll post pics as soon as the goods come in and I get back on track.
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 12:00 PM UTC
OK, the interiors came in. My plan is to attempt to use the Archer resin tread instead if the Verlinden floor....if possible.
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 03:19 PM UTC
Here are my starting focus pieces. I plan on cutting out some of the sections of the firewall and floor segments for use on what I have in place already.
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2012 - 04:03 PM UTC
The first segment cut from the firewall
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 06:57 AM UTC
The transmission cut out....
Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 11:32 AM UTC
Hi Neal
Could you do me a huge favour please.
Could you possibly scan (or even photograph) the Verlinden Pzr III engine instructions and send them to me? I bought this kit before Christmas and there were no instructions included in the box.
IŽll PM you my e-mail address. Thanks a million. Will be following your thread to see how this goes together now!! Talk about perfect timing!!
Could you do me a huge favour please.
Could you possibly scan (or even photograph) the Verlinden Pzr III engine instructions and send them to me? I bought this kit before Christmas and there were no instructions included in the box.
IŽll PM you my e-mail address. Thanks a million. Will be following your thread to see how this goes together now!! Talk about perfect timing!!
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Posted: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 - 02:35 PM UTC
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Hi Neal
Could you do me a huge favour please.
Could you possibly scan (or even photograph) the Verlinden Pzr III engine instructions and send them to me? I bought this kit before Christmas and there were no instructions included in the box.
IŽll PM you my e-mail address. Thanks a million. Will be following your thread to see how this goes together now!! Talk about perfect timing!!
I sent them and the interior instructions over in pdf format....hope they help.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 01:25 AM UTC
Good Progress so far, I find when building an interior little things like wiring, the addition bolt heads etc really add alot of detail.
Bolt heads will be especially important in your build, the Dragon Panzer 3 has no detailing on the hull sides where as the real Panzer 3 had lots.
S
Bolt heads will be especially important in your build, the Dragon Panzer 3 has no detailing on the hull sides where as the real Panzer 3 had lots.
S
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Posted: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 05:40 AM UTC
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Good Progress so far, I find when building an interior little things like wiring, the addition bolt heads etc really add alot of detail.
Bolt heads will be especially important in your build, the Dragon Panzer 3 has no detailing on the hull sides where as the real Panzer 3 had lots.
S
Good call Steven! Now to see what I have that I can use for them...and the inside latches I'd like to add.
In the meantime, I cut this piece out...and in doing so, fractured it into 2 halves. I decided not to attempt the one panel section that's left inside the frame once the two halves were glued back together...
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Posted: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 06:50 AM UTC
Ok, so it was bothering me not to try to do something about getting that panel section out so...
I'm seriously afraid to take the Dremmel to it to "finish" the piece...
I'm seriously afraid to take the Dremmel to it to "finish" the piece...
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Posted: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 08:13 AM UTC
Hello,
Is that a 50mm ammo round? personally I would have a go at cutting the shell out and making the ammo rack out of plastic card either that or sand out the remaining resin with some sand paper.
S
Is that a 50mm ammo round? personally I would have a go at cutting the shell out and making the ammo rack out of plastic card either that or sand out the remaining resin with some sand paper.
S
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Posted: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 09:02 AM UTC
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Hello,
Is that a 50mm ammo round? personally I would have a go at cutting the shell out and making the ammo rack out of plastic card either that or sand out the remaining resin with some sand paper.
S
Steven, your advice is well taken...thank you!
I just couldn't leave it alone, so I grabbed a fine tip scalpel and trimmed out what I couldn't get with a knife. I left the round in there as it appears that it's a single shell enclosure with a support holding the shell up. I couldn't track down any kind of verification with what time I had around my workload...I did find a build here that may be yours (Steven) as a great reference, but it has a door that closed on the enclosure.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 - 09:15 PM UTC
That Verlinden interior set is "ew."
I bought a Tamiya Panzer III L specifically to try my first interior, and got this set. Then I got a handful of references with interior shots, and it turns out that the Verlinden set is not very accurate at all! Plus the dang thing is too narrow for the hull, just a lot of dumb little issues.
Well, i think you're doing the right thing by basically building from scratch and cannibalizing the Verlinden pieces where you can. Great work.
I bought a Tamiya Panzer III L specifically to try my first interior, and got this set. Then I got a handful of references with interior shots, and it turns out that the Verlinden set is not very accurate at all! Plus the dang thing is too narrow for the hull, just a lot of dumb little issues.
Well, i think you're doing the right thing by basically building from scratch and cannibalizing the Verlinden pieces where you can. Great work.
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Posted: Thursday, January 12, 2012 - 07:13 AM UTC
Dominic, I am finding that this Verlinden kit certainly isn't a match for this model when it comes to fit accuracy.
After gluing the gunner's side brake housing, I found a gap between it and the side wall. Additionally, I have to cut out a section of the top of the hull for a good fit.
Does it bother me? not really...I see it as an opportunity to learn...and teach Mason as I go along.
After gluing the gunner's side brake housing, I found a gap between it and the side wall. Additionally, I have to cut out a section of the top of the hull for a good fit.
Does it bother me? not really...I see it as an opportunity to learn...and teach Mason as I go along.
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Posted: Monday, January 16, 2012 - 12:58 PM UTC
After filling the gap between the wall and brake housing...cutting out the section from the top of the hull, I dry fit the two hull pieces and found that the brake housings sat too tall, thus preventing a solid fit. Big quandary...obviously something wasn't to scale. So, it became decision time...what was going to be trimmed to allow a good fit of the top of the hull and the bottom hull. I committed to filing down the tops of the brake housings.
I did cut out another section...
I did cut out another section...
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Posted: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 - 08:20 PM UTC
I really like the progress so far very nice build and you know how much I like internal details.
I am very disappointed with Verlinden though, they are releasing kits which are inaccurate and not to scale. I would have build this kit and hyper detailed it were accurate.
I am very disappointed with Verlinden though, they are releasing kits which are inaccurate and not to scale. I would have build this kit and hyper detailed it were accurate.
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Posted: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 - 06:49 AM UTC
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I really like the progress so far very nice build and you know how much I like internal details.
I am very disappointed with Verlinden though, they are releasing kits which are inaccurate and not to scale. I would have build this kit and hyper detailed it were accurate.
thanks for the good words Steven....your work is a great inspiration to both Mason and myself.
The Verlinden is frustrating, at least from the info side of things. I wish they provided greater detailed info and pics. I figured there would be some fit issues with this kit, since it was designated for a Tamiya kit...just not with brake housings...
Moving on, I cut out another piece.
In the second pic, I tried to capture the treadplate (resin) work that I am in the middle of, unfortunately, I can't get a detailed enough shot...I'll try again later.
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Posted: Thursday, January 19, 2012 - 10:03 AM UTC
Hi Neil,
It is hard to tell from your picture, but if the tread floor plate is offering you some resistance, you may think of purchasing an Aber Floor Tread Brass PE set. While I have not yet used them on a model, I would imagine like most things Aber it will be first rate.
Also, and I really feel I should know this, did this version of the Panzer 3 come with a turret basket? As you know the Panzer 4 did have a turret basket but from the images you have shown of the Verlinden box, Verlinden have certinly not provided you with one. You may also want to consider purchasing a turned aluminium gun barrel as well as the resin one may be difficult to clean up and work with.
It is hard to tell from your picture, but if the tread floor plate is offering you some resistance, you may think of purchasing an Aber Floor Tread Brass PE set. While I have not yet used them on a model, I would imagine like most things Aber it will be first rate.
Also, and I really feel I should know this, did this version of the Panzer 3 come with a turret basket? As you know the Panzer 4 did have a turret basket but from the images you have shown of the Verlinden box, Verlinden have certinly not provided you with one. You may also want to consider purchasing a turned aluminium gun barrel as well as the resin one may be difficult to clean up and work with.
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Posted: Friday, January 20, 2012 - 12:58 AM UTC
Steven, I was able to get the tread plate material down...with patience and a few muck-ups. I think I will consider the Arber stuff for future adventures though.
What is interested about the tread plate is that all reference pictures show a low-lying floor; at the level of the seat brackets. Whereas some modelers have built the floor elevated. I went with the low-lying build thinking that if I'm wrong there...and find out, I'll tuck that knowledge away to help Mason, should he build a III and want to detail it.
From everything that I've read, the III's didn't have a turret basket. none of my reference pics and layouts show one either.
The stock gun with this kit is definitely got to go, so I do see an aluminum one in the build's future!
What is interested about the tread plate is that all reference pictures show a low-lying floor; at the level of the seat brackets. Whereas some modelers have built the floor elevated. I went with the low-lying build thinking that if I'm wrong there...and find out, I'll tuck that knowledge away to help Mason, should he build a III and want to detail it.
From everything that I've read, the III's didn't have a turret basket. none of my reference pics and layouts show one either.
The stock gun with this kit is definitely got to go, so I do see an aluminum one in the build's future!