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Garry
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The 251 Campaign
All_You_Can_Kit
Joined: August 22, 2012
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2013 - 12:40 AM UTC
I'm thinking for the #1 ribbon design, similar honest opinion with others, it represents all possibilities of vehicles that can be included in this campaign. Can't wait to see the final outfit
Cheers
Garry
Cheers
Garry
3rdArmoredVet
Joined: August 28, 2013
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2013 - 01:10 AM UTC
my vote is for design #1
panzerbob01
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2013 - 01:23 AM UTC
Robert W.;
If you don't have a 251 in your stash, and you will be looking for a track to roll into this campaign with... remember that the 250 offers you all the same Germanic angularity, non-powered front axle, open top, and diversity - of - usage and interior fill that it's bigger cuz offers, with fewer little road wheels and itty-bitty track-links to fiddle around with!
OK. So the 250 didn't come in a "pioneer" set-up with those little bridges (imagine! bridges on a 250 would look like a V-dub beetle with a 17' canoe on top! Hey! 
), and probably also missed out on those wurframen... Hey! That's another idea! 
In the more-serious vein, I think some of those Dragon 250 kits are super nice - and they seem to build up well and maybe with fewer major accuracy issues than some claim about D's 251 kits. Just saying... I'll admit it. I'm a 250 fan!
Happy Halloween, all!
Bob
If you don't have a 251 in your stash, and you will be looking for a track to roll into this campaign with... remember that the 250 offers you all the same Germanic angularity, non-powered front axle, open top, and diversity - of - usage and interior fill that it's bigger cuz offers, with fewer little road wheels and itty-bitty track-links to fiddle around with!
OK. So the 250 didn't come in a "pioneer" set-up with those little bridges (imagine! bridges on a 250 would look like a V-dub beetle with a 17' canoe on top! Hey! ), and probably also missed out on those wurframen... Hey! That's another idea! In the more-serious vein, I think some of those Dragon 250 kits are super nice - and they seem to build up well and maybe with fewer major accuracy issues than some claim about D's 251 kits. Just saying... I'll admit it. I'm a 250 fan!
Happy Halloween, all!
Bob
robw_uk
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2013 - 03:23 AM UTC
ohhhh hadnt noticed the 250 was allowed... may have to be then Tamiya GREIF then - believe it has quite a nice interior to play with
Delbert
#073
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2013 - 04:34 AM UTC
Howdy everyone..
Don't want to sound like I'm tooting my own horn, but I thought I'd let everyone know if they want some photos to get in the mood. I have a photo Gallery with about 270 WWII era pics of German Half tracks.. everything from winter camo to 3 color schemes, pre-war to combat footage, Europe, North Africa, and Russia. and there are several photos of Greif in there. Its a hodgepodge type gallery, not divided up by vehicle or subtype. I think it gives the viewer the enjoyment of the thrill of discovery..
here is the link
WWII German Halftrack Photograph Collection
here is one of my favorite photos from the gallery. I've seen this photo in a couple of different reference books and magazines now and again, but no one every says "why", and I've always wondered... make a good show subject though.
anyways....
I'll only bug yall once with this....
Delbert
Don't want to sound like I'm tooting my own horn, but I thought I'd let everyone know if they want some photos to get in the mood. I have a photo Gallery with about 270 WWII era pics of German Half tracks.. everything from winter camo to 3 color schemes, pre-war to combat footage, Europe, North Africa, and Russia. and there are several photos of Greif in there. Its a hodgepodge type gallery, not divided up by vehicle or subtype. I think it gives the viewer the enjoyment of the thrill of discovery..
here is the link
WWII German Halftrack Photograph Collection
here is one of my favorite photos from the gallery. I've seen this photo in a couple of different reference books and magazines now and again, but no one every says "why", and I've always wondered... make a good show subject though.
anyways....
I'll only bug yall once with this....
Delbert
corsair924
Joined: August 11, 2008
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Posted: Friday, November 01, 2013 - 05:20 AM UTC
Welcome aboard all up to 16, thank you!
Delbert:
Thank you for the link to your collection, helps feed my addiction to modeling!
As for the picture: I ask why as much as how?
Delbert:
Thank you for the link to your collection, helps feed my addiction to modeling!
As for the picture: I ask why as much as how?
robw_uk
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Posted: Saturday, November 02, 2013 - 06:16 AM UTC
of course there is the 251 with the side mounted mortars/rockets... lots of choice and i think i have found the christmas pressie from my in-laws.... just need to decide what version to plump for... my kind of research.....
robw_uk
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Posted: Saturday, November 02, 2013 - 09:01 AM UTC
how about paper-251... the 251/23 caught my eye but reading further it may never have been used in operation... dragon have a kit of it... if not that then may go for the command version
corsair924
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Posted: Saturday, November 02, 2013 - 09:48 AM UTC
Quoted Text
there is the 251 with the side mounted mortars/rockets
yes- the "Stuka Zu Fuss" was widely used so that would included
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how about paper-251... the 251/23 caught my eye but reading further it may never have been used in operation... dragon have a kit of it.
Robert,
Argh. I was worried about the /33. Prototype made but not in service, no photos and the Dragon kit does look sweet.
Hmmm . . . I've seen several references to it including Panzer Tracts No. 20-2.
I think we can allow this 'Paper' 251 which was on the verge of production as there is documentation.
'Course this also opens the door to the 7.5cm Aufklaerungs-Kanone L/48 version which I find handsome.
And I would love to see someone pull it off.
But still no "what-ifs"/Panzer'46
1721Lancers
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Posted: Saturday, November 02, 2013 - 06:58 PM UTC
Quoted Text
'Course this also opens the door to the 7.5cm Aufklaerungs-Kanone L/48 version which I find handsome.
And I would love to see someone pull it off.
Hi J Poitras,
have you got a picture of this 7.5cm Aufklärer? I'm not too sure
about the version your talking about
Paul
1721Lancers
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Posted: Sunday, November 03, 2013 - 01:28 AM UTC
Hi J.Poitras,
I think you mean this one yes
I found it in my Squadron/signal publications SdKfz251 in action book. There is only the one pic in there.
Would be nice to see someone do that.
Paul
I think you mean this one yes
I found it in my Squadron/signal publications SdKfz251 in action book. There is only the one pic in there.
Would be nice to see someone do that.
Paul
corsair924
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2013 - 12:41 PM UTC
More complex than the one I was referring to, but yes, that would make a fantastic conversion project.
Delbert
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2013 - 02:03 PM UTC
howdy again.
Here is ribbon variation #4
Looking around to make sure I post it on the right campaign thread this time.. LOL
Delbert
Here is ribbon variation #4
Looking around to make sure I post it on the right campaign thread this time.. LOL
Delbert
IronOwl
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2013 - 02:12 PM UTC
Delbert thanks for the link you posted the halftrack photos were awesome also looked at the Panzer II photos as well. as for the award ribbon I like all of them slight edge going to #1 and #4.
Sascha(ironowl)
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corsair924
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2013 - 02:18 PM UTC
#4 that's what I was thinking!!
panzerconor
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2013 - 02:25 PM UTC
Don't look at the picture of the car on the half track and ask "why?", look at it and ask yourself "why not?" I'm a bit tempted to build that now hahaha
Recon
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Posted: Monday, November 04, 2013 - 02:45 PM UTC
Count me in.
Mike
Mike
robw_uk
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Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 09:18 AM UTC
dont know which way to plump but think AFV will be the brand... like the 251/7 but theirs is the ausf c and in "boring" grey... bison do some nice decals fo r the ausf-d and echelon for the c.... is there much difference between the c and d?
nng-nng
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Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 09:38 AM UTC
Indeed, the Ausf. D was a simpilfied Version of the 251er with way less amoured plates to be cut out.
But you dont need to buy an extra decal set, It´s often enough what you have in your spare box, especially on later vehicles (Ausf C and D) you can go just for livence plates, the late german crosses and maybe a unit symbol
But you dont need to buy an extra decal set, It´s often enough what you have in your spare box, especially on later vehicles (Ausf C and D) you can go just for livence plates, the late german crosses and maybe a unit symbol
robw_uk
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Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 10:01 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Indeed, the Ausf. D was a simpilfied Version of the 251er with way less amoured plates to be cut out.
But you dont need to buy an extra decal set, It´s often enough what you have in your spare box, especially on later vehicles (Ausf C and D) you can go just for livence plates, the late german crosses and maybe a unit symbol
very true... will have a look at the echelon kit to see what gives it the 3-colour scheeme (and do other research).... i guss it is less variance vs aricraft ... have some number plate numbers so thats a start...
of course i could get a std ausf.d the the afv pioneer set... perhaps even a cheaper tamiya -d.... interesting... course i wold then want to chang the tracks but frui, afv and hobby boss do them.....
nng-nng
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Posted: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 10:40 AM UTC
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i guss it is less variance vs aricraft ... have some number plate numbers so thats a start...
not shure if I understood you correct, but if you want to build a historical correct vehicle you have much more artistic licence than on a plane...
The cammo pattern was often completely left to the Crew, so you just have use Brown and green over dunkelgelb, the pattern could be completely different to a other one from the same squad... it´s all your choice
robw_uk
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Posted: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 01:48 AM UTC
Quoted Text
Quoted Texti guss it is less variance vs aricraft ... have some number plate numbers so thats a start...
not shure if I understood you correct, but if you want to build a historical correct vehicle you have much more artistic licence than on a plane...
The cammo pattern was often completely left to the Crew, so you just have use Brown and green over dunkelgelb, the pattern could be completely different to a other one from the same squad... it´s all your choice
what I thought I meant was "within a unit the only real difference in terms of decals is the number plate"... i am not a good enough painter to go for historically accurate camo schemes - have yet to do anything other than solid grey or Dunkelb... hahahahahah but have a StuG IV early to do in 3-colour so dont see why teh 251 cant go the same way....
the decal set I saw for the 251/7-d had alrage unit numbers on the rear doors and "names" on the side - tahts what made it look more interesting and for the cost maybe somethinG i could add... could just get teh Dragon /7-D and see (least then I dont also have to replace teh tracks ;-))
robw_uk
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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2013 - 03:45 AM UTC
argh... still confused... no way I will build 2 kits for this campaign but have found the Dragon 250/9 Premium at a reasonable price (less than the AFV 251/7 i am tempted by).... hmmmmm decisions decisions.....
corsair924
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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2013 - 05:48 AM UTC
I know what you mean:limited to building one. . . maybe a dio?
robw_uk
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Posted: Thursday, November 14, 2013 - 10:04 AM UTC
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I know what you mean:limited to building one. . . maybe a dio?
possible - never done one but doesnt mean i wont try. etting a bit fed up with the 2cm PAK - done 2 builds with it this year so think i will go open top and plump for the 251/7 plus the echelon decals for it...
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