Looking real good Jerry, I don't envy the painting job you have ahead of you though.
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Am I counting correctly? There are 24 figures? So far? What a crowd and what an excellent job. This whole thing is just beyond excellent!
How about I send you my four and you just pound them out on a group rate? LOL!
Only hope I can do as well! I know... practice, practice, practice...
Looking forward to seeing this build in its final form!
How about I send you my four and you just pound them out on a group rate? LOL!
Only hope I can do as well! I know... practice, practice, practice...
Looking forward to seeing this build in its final form!
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2016 - 09:32 PM UTC
OK,let's see if I can remember all of you. Conor,
Mike,Nick,Greg,Kurt,Sean,Kimmo and Patrick,
Thanks all of you for those very generous remarks and for accepting the "harmonica guy? into the fold. You guys ROCK!!
Here is another guy,the Luftwaffe junior leader of this motley crew. Hopefully,once again,if I have done my job then you will be able to tell at a glance what he is doing.
Have a look,
He is WIP so rough around the edges. Good thing to point out here is the way I dremeled gouges into his jacket to show the weight of the map case and pistol holster. A goof rule of thumb is to try to imagine the human inside the clothing and then make the heavy object press against the skin,allowing for thickness of cloth,etc. In other words,the summer clothing has less resistance and so would need a deeper groove cut in. Capice?
Also notice the left foot dangling as gravity would do this. Another common mistake with modelers is to fight gravity.
Next up is adding putty and then some shoulder boards.
J
Mike,Nick,Greg,Kurt,Sean,Kimmo and Patrick,
Thanks all of you for those very generous remarks and for accepting the "harmonica guy? into the fold. You guys ROCK!!
Here is another guy,the Luftwaffe junior leader of this motley crew. Hopefully,once again,if I have done my job then you will be able to tell at a glance what he is doing.
Have a look,
He is WIP so rough around the edges. Good thing to point out here is the way I dremeled gouges into his jacket to show the weight of the map case and pistol holster. A goof rule of thumb is to try to imagine the human inside the clothing and then make the heavy object press against the skin,allowing for thickness of cloth,etc. In other words,the summer clothing has less resistance and so would need a deeper groove cut in. Capice?
Also notice the left foot dangling as gravity would do this. Another common mistake with modelers is to fight gravity.
Next up is adding putty and then some shoulder boards.
J
pgb3476
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2016 - 10:15 PM UTC
The step board riding guy looks great. And I always make sure my figures have there equipment depressed somewhat into there clothing....gear always weighs something. One question, I assume the sleeves will be rolled down on both arms?
jrutman
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2016 - 11:10 PM UTC
Quoted Text
The step board riding guy looks great. And I always make sure my figures have there equipment depressed somewhat into there clothing....gear always weighs something. One question, I assume the sleeves will be rolled down on both arms?
Thanks Greg,for the kind remark and also-c'mon man,you're killin me over here! LoL Yes,both sleeves down,I did say WIP?
J
pgb3476
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2016 - 11:25 PM UTC
Jerry, you are correct....WIP for sure. Sorry man!
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Posted: Sunday, May 01, 2016 - 11:45 PM UTC
Jerry -
I don't know how I've missed this thread until today. Amazing stuff you are doing. And totally inspiring to me and a plan I have. I've just recently come back to the hobby after being gone for over 12 years. I stumbled across some videos of German troops retreating and surrendering near Pilzen Czechoslovakia and have become totally enthralled by the idea of making a fairly large size dio of this event. I'm not sure what has drawn me to this scenario, the strange history that goes with it maybe. But your figures and truck are absolutely first class and are a "guiding light" for my project. Thank you for your posting, and please keep up the good work!
-Chris
I don't know how I've missed this thread until today. Amazing stuff you are doing. And totally inspiring to me and a plan I have. I've just recently come back to the hobby after being gone for over 12 years. I stumbled across some videos of German troops retreating and surrendering near Pilzen Czechoslovakia and have become totally enthralled by the idea of making a fairly large size dio of this event. I'm not sure what has drawn me to this scenario, the strange history that goes with it maybe. But your figures and truck are absolutely first class and are a "guiding light" for my project. Thank you for your posting, and please keep up the good work!
-Chris
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2016 - 08:21 AM UTC
Nice! I already sent over my praises for the figure but I figured (haha, a pun) I'd post here as well. He should shape up very nicely.
-Conor
-Conor
AlanL
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Posted: Monday, May 02, 2016 - 08:28 AM UTC
Hi Jerry,
Another epic in the making
Al
Another epic in the making
Al
alewar
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 - 10:21 PM UTC
Hi Jerry
Excellent work and advices. Can you explain me a bit more about "undercutting" and "carving"?. What kind of tools I must use and how?.Im a novice in figures
TIA
Álvaro
Excellent work and advices. Can you explain me a bit more about "undercutting" and "carving"?. What kind of tools I must use and how?.Im a novice in figures
TIA
Álvaro
jrutman
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 - 10:57 PM UTC
@Greg- no worries man,just joshin' ya a bit.
@Chris-Hey buddy! Welcome back to the hobby and this thread as well. I am honored to be any source of inspiration for you buddy. I would only ask that you share your work and get into the spirit here! A good place to be.
@Conor-thanks ol buddy,for your continued support.
@Alan, nice to see you again ol bean,it's been awhile mate.
@Alavaro- Under cutting id done with a new sharp hobby knife. You scrape along the edge of say,a pocket flap,to remove any plastic from the molding process that doesn't let the shape look "sharp". I first scrape with the sharp edge towards the figure,then flip the blade over and scrape into the underside of the pocket flap. Carving is also done with a sharp blade or the rough work is done with my dremel tool and various sizes of round cutting tips. I hope I am describing it well enough? There are examples on the internet. Maybe google can be your friend?
Here is the Officer with the putty on and the shoulder boards on for Leutnant. I rarely do officers but thought this would be an exception.
Notice I added the bottom pocket flaps and the leather hangers for the map case. And yes,Greg,the missing sleeve.
A thin coat of Tamiya primer
Some guys like to add the collar rank patches with putty,etc but I like to pint them on as they were pretty thin. Now I have to wade through the myriad colors,etc for the Luftwaffe rank system.
Hope I didn't confuse things any?
J
@Chris-Hey buddy! Welcome back to the hobby and this thread as well. I am honored to be any source of inspiration for you buddy. I would only ask that you share your work and get into the spirit here! A good place to be.
@Conor-thanks ol buddy,for your continued support.
@Alan, nice to see you again ol bean,it's been awhile mate.
@Alavaro- Under cutting id done with a new sharp hobby knife. You scrape along the edge of say,a pocket flap,to remove any plastic from the molding process that doesn't let the shape look "sharp". I first scrape with the sharp edge towards the figure,then flip the blade over and scrape into the underside of the pocket flap. Carving is also done with a sharp blade or the rough work is done with my dremel tool and various sizes of round cutting tips. I hope I am describing it well enough? There are examples on the internet. Maybe google can be your friend?
Here is the Officer with the putty on and the shoulder boards on for Leutnant. I rarely do officers but thought this would be an exception.
Notice I added the bottom pocket flaps and the leather hangers for the map case. And yes,Greg,the missing sleeve.
A thin coat of Tamiya primer
Some guys like to add the collar rank patches with putty,etc but I like to pint them on as they were pretty thin. Now I have to wade through the myriad colors,etc for the Luftwaffe rank system.
Hope I didn't confuse things any?
J
jrutman
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Posted: Tuesday, May 03, 2016 - 11:02 PM UTC
So,one more time with the sequence of the conversion of the Dragon Arnhem WSS set figure into my Luftwaffe officer in charge of this truck.
Basic pose and hands,head,etc added
Putty and PE added
Primer shot on and ready to paint after some light sanding
The next one is under way but it is pretty complicated and is challenging me even more than the harmonica guy. Later,
J
Basic pose and hands,head,etc added
Putty and PE added
Primer shot on and ready to paint after some light sanding
The next one is under way but it is pretty complicated and is challenging me even more than the harmonica guy. Later,
J
alewar
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 08:04 AM UTC
Thanks Jerry for the explanation.
I have some "old" Dragon figures to practice a bit.
Cheers from the cold south
Alvaro
I have some "old" Dragon figures to practice a bit.
Cheers from the cold south
Alvaro
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 08:22 AM UTC
Hi Jerry - this guy's left arm and hand is particularly nice. I admire your patience and still wonder how in the heck you can get the geometry right. I seem to be able to get something like this within about 1/8" correct - but not right - either too sharp or flat - and rarely believable geometry. Something to strive for!
Thanks for posting the steps - maybe someday...
Cheers
Nick
Thanks for posting the steps - maybe someday...
Cheers
Nick
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 09:47 PM UTC
Thanks guys. Nick,the best thing to do is concentrate on the over all look of the arm and not the joints or joins between the seperate parts. Try to imagine a real arm and where it would go if placed that way. Then glue and putty! I am positive with your artistic eye you can tell at a glance what looks "right" and when it doesn't.
Here are all of the folks in the general area they will be. Some are leaning as they are not fixed. I plan to glue them all in and then paint them as is....NOT!!!!!
Later dudes
Here are all of the folks in the general area they will be. Some are leaning as they are not fixed. I plan to glue them all in and then paint them as is....NOT!!!!!
Later dudes
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Posted: Wednesday, May 04, 2016 - 10:06 PM UTC
That is indeed a fine looking full load. Keep it coming.
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 12:27 PM UTC
Hi Jerry ,
nice view for sure and a lot of painting to do .
Take your time on this, it's worth waiting for !
Kurt
nice view for sure and a lot of painting to do .
Take your time on this, it's worth waiting for !
Kurt
pnance26
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Posted: Thursday, May 05, 2016 - 07:16 PM UTC
Full up in the back! Ever think of someone hanging on the outside on the right of the bed or off the back tailgate? You know... feet barely on the rail and arms wrapped around the top slat?
Yeah, that's me... as if your figure work isn't amazing enough, now I want to throw another curve at you!
You are an inspiration!
Yeah, that's me... as if your figure work isn't amazing enough, now I want to throw another curve at you!
You are an inspiration!
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Posted: Friday, May 06, 2016 - 07:40 PM UTC
Greg,Kurt and Patrick,
Thanks for typing in your nice comments guys. The "hanging off the back" guy sounds great but since I decided to go for the truck being halted temporarily I think it wouldn't work as well. I do have other plans like that though,stay tuned.
Here is basically why the truck is halted and the officer is signalling the driver to wait a bit more.
My newest grouping of figs ,on the ground. Fairly difficult because of the interaction and body contact.
I started with a Tamiya tank ammo loading fig. I added some bulk to his coveralls as the real ones were very generous in bulk. The kid is from the "Ladies of WWII" set from MB. I had to re-purpose her quite a bit. Making teeny tiny hands was one of those things and they are not quite finished yet.
I kept the figs modular so it will help to ease painting.
I gave some expression on the tiny face by turning down the corners of her mouth and adding furrows between her eyebrows
The "mom" is from the MB Normandy set with the paras and is just starting to be re-posed. The aim (hopefully getting obvious) is to show the little one being lifted onto the truck by a helpful luftwaffe groundcrew. As all we parents know,this does not always go down well with the little ones and so she is reaching back as she does not want to leave Mom.
Moms' other (missing) arm and hand will be pointing up to the guy in the truck waiting to catch the precious cargo. Not to worry,in my fantasy world here,the Mom will also get on the truck.
Kind of long winded today,hope it didn't get too boring.
J
Thanks for typing in your nice comments guys. The "hanging off the back" guy sounds great but since I decided to go for the truck being halted temporarily I think it wouldn't work as well. I do have other plans like that though,stay tuned.
Here is basically why the truck is halted and the officer is signalling the driver to wait a bit more.
My newest grouping of figs ,on the ground. Fairly difficult because of the interaction and body contact.
I started with a Tamiya tank ammo loading fig. I added some bulk to his coveralls as the real ones were very generous in bulk. The kid is from the "Ladies of WWII" set from MB. I had to re-purpose her quite a bit. Making teeny tiny hands was one of those things and they are not quite finished yet.
I kept the figs modular so it will help to ease painting.
I gave some expression on the tiny face by turning down the corners of her mouth and adding furrows between her eyebrows
The "mom" is from the MB Normandy set with the paras and is just starting to be re-posed. The aim (hopefully getting obvious) is to show the little one being lifted onto the truck by a helpful luftwaffe groundcrew. As all we parents know,this does not always go down well with the little ones and so she is reaching back as she does not want to leave Mom.
Moms' other (missing) arm and hand will be pointing up to the guy in the truck waiting to catch the precious cargo. Not to worry,in my fantasy world here,the Mom will also get on the truck.
Kind of long winded today,hope it didn't get too boring.
J
Paulinsibculo
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Posted: Friday, May 06, 2016 - 07:58 PM UTC
Hi Jerry,
Again amazing the modelling world with an inspiring dio.
I guess that you better could have taken Zvesda's Mercedes truck since it would hold at least 50 figures, thus enabling you to keep on going!
it looks superb, showing a situation that turned up all over the Axis area. Fleeing for the Russian Army in eastern Germany, during so called Crazy Tuesday in September 1944 in The Netherlands, in France after the invasions in both the south and the west.....
Will you add more civilians as well? SD staff, Nazi officials?
Any way, I will follow every detail from your build since you do teach us very good as well.
Enjoy the weekend and thanks for sharing.
P.
Again amazing the modelling world with an inspiring dio.
I guess that you better could have taken Zvesda's Mercedes truck since it would hold at least 50 figures, thus enabling you to keep on going!
it looks superb, showing a situation that turned up all over the Axis area. Fleeing for the Russian Army in eastern Germany, during so called Crazy Tuesday in September 1944 in The Netherlands, in France after the invasions in both the south and the west.....
Will you add more civilians as well? SD staff, Nazi officials?
Any way, I will follow every detail from your build since you do teach us very good as well.
Enjoy the weekend and thanks for sharing.
P.
jrutman
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Posted: Friday, May 06, 2016 - 09:34 PM UTC
Quoted Text
Hi Jerry,
Again amazing the modelling world with an inspiring dio.
I guess that you better could have taken Zvesda's Mercedes truck since it would hold at least 50 figures, thus enabling you to keep on going!
it looks superb, showing a situation that turned up all over the Axis area. Fleeing for the Russian Army in eastern Germany, during so called Crazy Tuesday in September 1944 in The Netherlands, in France after the invasions in both the south and the west.....
Will you add more civilians as well? SD staff, Nazi officials?
Any way, I will follow every detail from your build since you do teach us very good as well.
Enjoy the weekend and thanks for sharing.
P.
Thanks Paul,
This was indeed a very common scene in May1945 but now it was the Germans that were the refugees! Sometimes payback is a b---ch!
There will be more figs on the ground for sure. I will try to make it interesting and not show the same old same old.
J
justsendit
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Posted: Friday, May 06, 2016 - 10:28 PM UTC
Hi Jerry,
I believe your putty-to-styrene ratio is ever increasing ... brilliant posturing! That does not look like it was an easy task. Maybe I shouldn't use the word "task," as you are clearly having fun!
Great updates!
—mike
I believe your putty-to-styrene ratio is ever increasing ... brilliant posturing! That does not look like it was an easy task. Maybe I shouldn't use the word "task," as you are clearly having fun!
Great updates!
—mike
yeahwiggie
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Posted: Friday, May 06, 2016 - 11:14 PM UTC
Woah mr.Rutman sir...
You are on a roll, man! Love what you're doing here.
The officer might look more natural and in character if you gave him a moving tight hand instead of a wooden one and make him shout an order; head with mouth opened.
The set with the child is marvelous!
You are on a roll, man! Love what you're doing here.
The officer might look more natural and in character if you gave him a moving tight hand instead of a wooden one and make him shout an order; head with mouth opened.
The set with the child is marvelous!
erichvon
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Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 04:44 AM UTC
This is looking fantastic Jerry! I love the mix of civvies and military personnel. I saw a collection of photos on facebook a couple of months ago of the subject and will see if I can find them again. There was a 100+ pics. I wish I'd saved them at the time as I usually do when I find something like that. Enjoying following the progress on this one as ever. I have to admit whenever you start a new project I'm all over it like a rash as I love watching how they develop. In fact the lorry full has given me an idea for my Falaise dio as I've got an Opel Blitz and a Mercedes 1500 for it in the stash and have already built two Protzes with cargo so wanted something different for them. This can be it! A lorry full of standing Germans. I don't know why but I always think of them sitting down but standing makes more sense as you can get more in lol. Keep at it mate. Really looking to see this one pans out.
jrutman
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Posted: Saturday, May 07, 2016 - 05:31 AM UTC
Quoted Text
This is looking fantastic Jerry! I love the mix of civvies and military personnel. I saw a collection of photos on facebook a couple of months ago of the subject and will see if I can find them again. There was a 100+ pics. I wish I'd saved them at the time as I usually do when I find something like that. Enjoying following the progress on this one as ever. I have to admit whenever you start a new project I'm all over it like a rash as I love watching how they develop. In fact the lorry full has given me an idea for my Falaise dio as I've got an Opel Blitz and a Mercedes 1500 for it in the stash and have already built two Protzes with cargo so wanted something different for them. This can be it! A lorry full of standing Germans. I don't know why but I always think of them sitting down but standing makes more sense as you can get more in lol. Keep at it mate. Really looking to see this one pans out.
Yeah man,thanks as always for checking in and the nice comments. I don't know the series of pics you mean but I do have the film from the wars' end and the Germans coming back along that one road from the Czech Rep. Mish mash of everything. The problem with Normandy dios is you always need so much foliage so I don't envy your plan. The trucks would have to move at night and look like rolling bushes! But it would look cool,that's for sure. Good luck!
J
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