Jerry - I agree with Dale. If you could find a little bit of time and do a quick run down of your figure methods, tools, materials, PE bits, etc, that would be outstanding! I've been trying to do some "undercutting" of the figures I have done so far and to quote my 9 y/o son "Dad, you're just making it worser!" (he wasn't talking about my models, just father/son stuff in general).
-CT
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jrutman
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Dale and John,I have worked up a little thing here about under cutting. The pics are not the best so I hope you get the idea.
Here are the usual suspects as far as tools go. Dremel with various cutting bits,box of number 11 blades and trusty handle. Also a fiberglass cleaning tool made for electronics to gently buff and clean the worked on areas.
a puppet to work on raw from the box.
gently scrape along the seem you want to open up,in this case,the bottom of the smock leg,with the sharp edge of the blade facing the fig
After some work it is getting deeper and I have already broken the tip of the first blade!
reverse the blade so the sharp edge is facing away from the fig and gently apply pressure away from the fig toward the inside of the smock leg bottom while you scrape.This will thin out the edge but you have to be very careful because at this point the edge is thin.
the result on the right leg
Here are the usual suspects as far as tools go. Dremel with various cutting bits,box of number 11 blades and trusty handle. Also a fiberglass cleaning tool made for electronics to gently buff and clean the worked on areas.
a puppet to work on raw from the box.
gently scrape along the seem you want to open up,in this case,the bottom of the smock leg,with the sharp edge of the blade facing the fig
After some work it is getting deeper and I have already broken the tip of the first blade!
reverse the blade so the sharp edge is facing away from the fig and gently apply pressure away from the fig toward the inside of the smock leg bottom while you scrape.This will thin out the edge but you have to be very careful because at this point the edge is thin.
the result on the right leg
jrutman
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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 07:54 AM UTC
next up is the bottom left pocket flap.
Before,
after
the upper torso with the edge of the smock and the collar,etc before
after
The effect may seem subtle but it shines under a nice thin coat of primer and it helps a lot if you are not a very good painter ( like me ) to give yourself head start with nice edges like this.
Anything else you'd like to see??
J
Before,
after
the upper torso with the edge of the smock and the collar,etc before
after
The effect may seem subtle but it shines under a nice thin coat of primer and it helps a lot if you are not a very good painter ( like me ) to give yourself head start with nice edges like this.
Anything else you'd like to see??
J
justsendit
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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 09:14 AM UTC
Hey Jerry,
Have you tried one of these? ... Dental Pic
Not suggesting it as a replacement for the No. 11 blade, but I find the pic very useful for starting undercuts and cleaning out the junk. And an added benefit: It has reduced my blade consumption immeasurably. HTH.
—mike
Have you tried one of these? ... Dental Pic
Not suggesting it as a replacement for the No. 11 blade, but I find the pic very useful for starting undercuts and cleaning out the junk. And an added benefit: It has reduced my blade consumption immeasurably. HTH.
—mike
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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 07:06 PM UTC
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Hey Jerry,
Have you tried one of these? ... Dental Pic
Not suggesting it as a replacement for the No. 11 blade, but I find the pic very useful for starting undercuts and cleaning out the junk. And an added benefit: It has reduced my blade consumption immeasurably. HTH.
—mike
Thank you Mike,yes I have tried that. It was kind of awkward to use for me to be honest. I am used to the good ol number 11. I buy them by the box so it costs a lot less. I can live with that.
J
strongarden
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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 07:16 PM UTC
Yes Jerry the bleachers do get old, what with the splinters and such!Dude you rock, but your tutorial absolutely nails it.
You're generating interest and activity every time one of your ideas gets to rolling. And I, like everyone else I believe, love it!
The "Cab Guys" are detail within the detail:
It's like the window passenger is feeling "...oh brother".
The middle rider is patiently waiting to get the heck out of that cramped spot, and the driver is like "...waddaya mean my papers aren't in order". All within 3" x 2" of plastic. Really impressive.
You got me hooked, keep it coming...(real life permitting, naturally)
Thanks again for this, Cheers
Dave
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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 07:25 PM UTC
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Dude you rock, but your tutorial absolutely nails it.
You're generating interest and activity every time one of your ideas gets to rolling. And I, like everyone else I believe, love it!
The "Cab Guys" are detail within the detail:
It's like the window passenger is feeling "...oh brother".
The middle rider is patiently waiting to get the heck out of that cramped spot, and the driver is like "...waddaya mean my papers aren't in order". All within 3" x 2" of plastic. Really impressive.
You got me hooked, keep it coming...(real life permitting, naturally)
Thanks again for this, Cheers
Dave
No probs Dave!! I just realized your avatar would maybe make you like the Wake Island guys I am on now? LoL
Yeah,bleachers do suck after a while. You get the "lead bottom" after half an hour like Ensign McCale.
I kind of got bogged down on the cab guys as you can barely see them with the roof on. I keep adding things to them but I really need to get on with painting them and capping the thing off. Nice observations on your part though!
Thanks brotha!!
J
YellowHammer
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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 09:46 PM UTC
Jerry,
I really appreciate your tutorial and your work is very inspiring. I'm looking forward to how you paint the figures. The mix of service branches and civilians will give this a big variety in colors. I'm not a good figure painter but I'm curious about your female figures. Will you be attempting any patterns or prints in their dress? If you do, could you give us a how-to as you progress? I struggle with camo patterns and I think trying floral prints or plaids would drive me nuts.
Thanks
John
I really appreciate your tutorial and your work is very inspiring. I'm looking forward to how you paint the figures. The mix of service branches and civilians will give this a big variety in colors. I'm not a good figure painter but I'm curious about your female figures. Will you be attempting any patterns or prints in their dress? If you do, could you give us a how-to as you progress? I struggle with camo patterns and I think trying floral prints or plaids would drive me nuts.
Thanks
John
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Posted: Thursday, May 26, 2016 - 10:09 PM UTC
Hi Jerry - another great tip, thanks! I've been trying this technique since you suggested it a while ago, which, when used in conjunction with a bit of lead foil (thx for that one too!) for pockets, belts, collars etc, a mediocre figure can be converted into one that's pretty nice - and not as expensive as some of the really nice ones - add a new head, and they can look great!
Have a great weekend!
Nick
Have a great weekend!
Nick
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2016 - 02:37 AM UTC
John and Nick,
Thanks for checking in guys! Jon,yes,I plan on trying some floral prints for the first time. Gotta keep it challenging for myself I suppose. Thanks for the kind words about the tutorial buddy!
Here is the fender bender with primer on. I kind of like the frazzled areas on his coat as they look worn out,etc. Other places need some fine tuning I see.
Have a look-see fellas,
Three amigos in place for the last time prior to paint. I added a hat to the "aloof" guy but had to sand a bit off the top to get his noggin to fit under the cab roof. I tweeked the middle amigos wrist a touch but once again,it won't even be seen with the lid on.
Thanks lurkers,for looking in!
J
Thanks for checking in guys! Jon,yes,I plan on trying some floral prints for the first time. Gotta keep it challenging for myself I suppose. Thanks for the kind words about the tutorial buddy!
Here is the fender bender with primer on. I kind of like the frazzled areas on his coat as they look worn out,etc. Other places need some fine tuning I see.
Have a look-see fellas,
Three amigos in place for the last time prior to paint. I added a hat to the "aloof" guy but had to sand a bit off the top to get his noggin to fit under the cab roof. I tweeked the middle amigos wrist a touch but once again,it won't even be seen with the lid on.
Thanks lurkers,for looking in!
J
ctmi911
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2016 - 06:02 AM UTC
Thanks Jerry - I was totally doing it wrong, I was doing more of a cutting motion, it makes more sense now that I've seen it. Okay, how about Lesson Number 2. Using epoxy putty.
Have a great weekend!
-Chris
Have a great weekend!
-Chris
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2016 - 09:58 PM UTC
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Thanks Jerry - I was totally doing it wrong, I was doing more of a cutting motion, it makes more sense now that I've seen it. Okay, how about Lesson Number 2. Using epoxy putty.
Have a great weekend!
-Chris
Thanks,no probs. But what can I tell you about putty?
J
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Posted: Friday, May 27, 2016 - 10:04 PM UTC
Looking good and so is Wake Island.
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Looking good and so is Wake Island.
Thanks man!
J
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Posted: Sunday, May 29, 2016 - 03:49 PM UTC
I love how this is coming together Jerry. Its particularly interesting to see you working on so many figures in just the area of the cab- in 1/35 thats a fairly small area and it gets even smaller once you add one figure, never mind five arranged inside and outside the cab! I always find it really fiddly to work on figures that need to be placed inside vehicles so I'm watching the three fellas in the cab intently! They are all interacting nicely and the guy on the fender is coming along very well- adding some nattiness to his clothes is also a great idea as I reckon things would be getting fairly well worn out by this stage.
Its also great to see your 'how to' on undercutting. This is something I have tried a few times with plastic figs and I practice it whenever I get the chance- so its nice to get all that info so I can put it to work the next time I'm doing a plastic figure- or even a resin one that needs some work.
Its also great to see your 'how to' on undercutting. This is something I have tried a few times with plastic figs and I practice it whenever I get the chance- so its nice to get all that info so I can put it to work the next time I'm doing a plastic figure- or even a resin one that needs some work.
jrutman
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Posted: Sunday, May 29, 2016 - 06:26 PM UTC
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I love how this is coming together Jerry. Its particularly interesting to see you working on so many figures in just the area of the cab- in 1/35 thats a fairly small area and it gets even smaller once you add one figure, never mind five arranged inside and outside the cab! I always find it really fiddly to work on figures that need to be placed inside vehicles so I'm watching the three fellas in the cab intently! They are all interacting nicely and the guy on the fender is coming along very well- adding some nattiness to his clothes is also a great idea as I reckon things would be getting fairly well worn out by this stage.
Its also great to see your 'how to' on undercutting. This is something I have tried a few times with plastic figs and I practice it whenever I get the chance- so its nice to get all that info so I can put it to work the next time I'm doing a plastic figure- or even a resin one that needs some work.
Thanks so much for your excellent and as always ,inciteful comments buddy! I always wait for the "Karl view" to see if I got my point across.
I think pretty much the whole point of tackling this job here was to challenge myself with just what you mentioned,fitting lots of folks in close proximity to each other. I don't think I have seen that in a dio before,at least not very often anyway? I think I am pretty good at avoiding the "same old same old" or at least I hope so!!
I wanted to do a better job on the undercutting tutorial but honestly it was hard to do it with only two hands!
Thanks man and I am waiting for your next project to hit the boards!
J
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Posted: Monday, May 30, 2016 - 09:56 PM UTC
Hello Jerry
Ive chkd out Wake Island and that vignette sure looks to be another really sharp action scene. Ill be following that one as well.
My Avatar is actually of a "gentleman" during The Great War, but his helmet is def early WWII PTO looking.
His man is "Wild Bill" Donovan back when he was, holding the rank of a Major if I recall, with the Fighting 69th (NY). His is quite an impressive record/bio, if anyone is interested that doesn't already know of him.
As is the military history of the NY 69th, Irish Brigade.
Jer, sorry bud for that, your threads are always so interesting and enjoyable. Hope I didn't step on any toes 
Keep it coming J, really look frwd to it.
Dave
Ive chkd out Wake Island and that vignette sure looks to be another really sharp action scene. Ill be following that one as well.
My Avatar is actually of a "gentleman" during The Great War, but his helmet is def early WWII PTO looking.
His man is "Wild Bill" Donovan back when he was, holding the rank of a Major if I recall, with the Fighting 69th (NY). His is quite an impressive record/bio, if anyone is interested that doesn't already know of him.
As is the military history of the NY 69th, Irish Brigade.Jer, sorry bud for that,
your threads are always so interesting and enjoyable. Hope I didn't step on any toes Keep it coming J, really look frwd to it.
Dave
strongarden
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I meant "The man"....
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Nice update, Jerry. Looking good in primer!
—mike
—mike
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Thanks Mikey!!
J
J
Stickframe
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Hi Jerry - I spent some time looking at your figure-on-the-fender....all I can conclude is that I must keep trying...like the fellows in the cab - this guy has been shaped to look natural and not like a figure....his shoulders are slumped the right amount, his upper arms drop, and don't jut and then bend down, or feature weird angles, his lower arms sit comfortably, and his hands are set to look natural....piece of cake...arghh!!! How in the heck do you do it?!?!!! However you do it - it's sure interesting and ideally informative to watch! As you might guess from this reply, I still struggle with each of these points...getting better - but not in this league!
Have a great weekend!
Nick
Have a great weekend!
Nick
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Posted: Thursday, June 02, 2016 - 09:52 PM UTC
Thanks brother. Maybe you can give me tips on rapid awesome prototype building construction?? Or the same with oddball vehicles?
I just try to observe life and then replicate it. There is a guy on another forum and we try to remake figs like real people stand and not the movie heroic poses most figs are in with perfect uniforms,etc.
I am still working on getting the "slouch" look to my standing figs and nor let them have a stick up their hind quarters. Very hard to accomplish. Sort of like those random patterns me and Romain liked to bring up.
J
I just try to observe life and then replicate it. There is a guy on another forum and we try to remake figs like real people stand and not the movie heroic poses most figs are in with perfect uniforms,etc.
I am still working on getting the "slouch" look to my standing figs and nor let them have a stick up their hind quarters. Very hard to accomplish. Sort of like those random patterns me and Romain liked to bring up.
J
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2016 - 07:13 PM UTC
Hi Jerry, thankyou for the SBS on your methods. I can see now why I was getting mixed results, seeing yours was very helpful. Your project is coming along great. Thanks again Jerry, and best regards.....Dale
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Posted: Friday, June 03, 2016 - 07:28 PM UTC
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Hi Jerry, thankyou for the SBS on your methods. I can see now why I was getting mixed results, seeing yours was very helpful. Your project is coming along great. Thanks again Jerry, and best regards.....Dale
No problem Dale. Happy to help. If you check back on some other threads I have on here there also include this stuff. Some in more detail. Check also on the figure forum here as well.
J
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Hey Jerry - yes, I realize that your last post wasn't that long ago, and that in addition to the 1/35 world, there is the 1:1 world....nonetheless, I wonder...any updates? Your prolific updates keep me inspired!! Hope all is well!
Cheers
Nick
Cheers
Nick
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