Guangxi, China / 简体
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Posted: Friday, September 16, 2016 - 06:42 AM UTC
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Would this include the M3 Lee, Char bis, and US M6 heavy tank?
Yes, yes & maybe. I had to look up the M6 om Wiki but didn't see more than one turret or sponson. Do you think it should qualify? It certainly has the coolness factor in spades . . .
It has two guns in the turret (76.2mm and 37mm) along with a dual-50. Cal mount in the hull front IIRC.
To me it looks decently valid, if a bit on the line, as it reminds me of a "nearly-reasonable" Neubaufahrzeug, or however that's spelt.
New Jersey, United States
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Posted: Friday, September 16, 2016 - 06:58 AM UTC
How about the T-26, 7TP and Vickers multiple turret light tanks? The US M2A3 light tank with two turrets, the M2 mediums with one turret but five machine gun barbettes around the hull.
In the 1930s multiple turret tanks and boxy hulls with machine guns on all sides were the thing.
I might be up for this as I have a second M3 Lee with after market Girls und Panzer markings.
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#454
Georgia, United States
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Posted: Friday, September 16, 2016 - 06:51 PM UTC
"I can make armored cars, safe and unassailable...and behind these our infantry will be able to follow quite unharmed and without any opposition."
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#454
Georgia, United States
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 12:52 AM UTC
Just picked up an ICM T28 cheap, so I'll go with that! I think my scratchbuilding will be used up in another campaign ;-)
"I can make armored cars, safe and unassailable...and behind these our infantry will be able to follow quite unharmed and without any opposition."
-Leonardo da Vinci, 1487
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United States
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 11:41 AM UTC
would the KV-5 fit in? Been looking to build my Takom kit.
#460
California, United States
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 08:59 PM UTC
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How about the T-26, 7TP and Vickers multiple turret light tanks? The US M2A3 light tank with two turrets, the M2 mediums with one turret but five machine gun barbettes around the hull.
In the 1930s multiple turret tanks and boxy hulls with machine guns on all sides were the thing.
I might be up for this as I have a second M3 Lee with after market Girls und Panzer markings.
Yes, these would all be great choices. I just looked up the M2 on Wiki and found they were used on Guadalcanal. Is there a kit of it?
Vintage Paul
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#460
California, United States
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 09:04 PM UTC
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Just picked up an ICM T28 cheap, so I'll go with that! I think my scratchbuilding will be used up in another campaign ;-)
Thanks for the pictures above, they are certainly Landships. A T-28 will be perfectly. I have been eying them myself but haven't actually built one. I look forward to seeing how your T-28 develops.
Vintage Paul
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#460
California, United States
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 09:06 PM UTC
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would the KV-5 fit in? Been looking to build my Takom kit.
It would be PERFECT! While it was a "paper panzerski" it certainly fits in with the spirit of Landships.
Vintage Paul
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#460
California, United States
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 10:17 PM UTC
I think we need to expand the definition of Landship somewhat. There are a number of beasts that do not have turrets or sponsons but are so obviously true Landships that we simply must include them. The A7V for example. A Landship is a concept or spirit rather than a specific time or place. The idea had pretty much run its course by the beginning of WW2 but of course many were still in service or in the pipeline as the war broke out. As Wiki said in the write up about the US M6:
"Disadvantages of these "land dreadnoughts", namely their excessive size, difficulty in coordinating actions of the crew, and high production costs, led to abandonment of the concept . . ."
To these reasons might be added weight & size making transportation difficult and the progression of anti-tank weapons which were increasingly able to deal with large slow moving vehicles.
Let's keep the idea of multiple sponsons/turrets but keep thing loose enough to include other vehicles that seem to fit in with the Landship concept.
Vintage Paul
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#460
California, United States
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Posted: Sunday, September 18, 2016 - 10:49 PM UTC
We now have 10 folks who have expressed an interest in this Landship campaign so I have written up a prospective set of campaign guidelines. Please look them over and make any suggestions or comments that might make this campaign better and more enjoyable. Here are my thoughts:
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Time - As soon as permitted and going for 9 months or so.
Operational Overview
The Landship campaign is about the concept of a land tank operating as if it were a naval vessel "sailing" majestically over the battlefield with all guns blazing. Multiple turrets and sponsons are typical but not required. There is also a light division which includes small tanks that have multiple turrets/sponsons.
Campaign ribbon - A silhouette of a Landship
The Rules and Regs
Rules:
A photo of the final build MUST appear in the campaign gallery to qualify for a ribbon.
Kits should not be started before this campaign, please post a photo showing the unbuilt kit and some sort of dating device..
One build - one campaign, models should be built for this campaign alone.
The model would need to be built and painted before the gong to get the ribbon.
Modelers of all skill levels are welcomed.
Please post in-progress photos, we want to enjoy your build with you.
Models from any nation or time are permitted as long as they meet the concept of a Landship. Whiffers are welcomed as long as they reasonably fit in the conceptual/historical context.
Vintage Paul
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Metro Manila, Philippines
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 04:07 AM UTC
Looks good Paul.
#436
Pennsylvania, United States
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 04:12 AM UTC
The Campaign proposal looks good to me.
#454
Georgia, United States
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 04:30 AM UTC
Go Big or don't go at all here!
"I can make armored cars, safe and unassailable...and behind these our infantry will be able to follow quite unharmed and without any opposition."
-Leonardo da Vinci, 1487
#460
California, United States
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 06:24 AM UTC
OK, thanks for the feedback. I'll wait until morning to see if anyone else has any suggestions.
I can hardly wait to start this campaign, its going to be a lot of fun!
Vintage Paul
I'd happily live in the past but for air conditioning, the internet, mobile phones, modern medicine & dentistry and, and, and . . .
Guangxi, China / 简体
Joined: August 23, 2016
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 06:56 AM UTC
Seems like those rules are fine.
Though it feels pretty "on-the-line" to count the M48/M60s, I'm not complaining if that's still fine, as that's my only possible entry, but still, feels funny to have it 'based' on Landships as opposed to multi-gun / multi-turret / etc. As all Landships have multi-gun / multi-turret (Correct me if im wrong there*), but not all multi- vehicles are Landships.
Just my thoughts though.
#460
California, United States
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 08:56 PM UTC
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Seems like those rules are fine.
Though it feels pretty "on-the-line" to count the M48/M60s, I'm not complaining if that's still fine, as that's my only possible entry, but still, feels funny to have it 'based' on Landships as opposed to multi-gun / multi-turret / etc. As all Landships have multi-gun / multi-turret (Correct me if im wrong there*), but not all multi- vehicles are Landships.
Just my thoughts though.
And good thoughts they are. My original title was "Two Heads are Better than One." Only after some reflection did I realize that the real focus needed to be on a concept. Some Landships have no turrets or sponsons, others are very small yet still retained elements of the Landship concept such as multiple turrets.
Seeing we are not tied to a special geographic or temporal location I feel that we should keep our mission statement loose to include all sorts of vehicles even if they only retain elements of the original concept.
I would like to include the M48/M60s and any other postwar vehicles that fit the description. This campaign is about learning something about the way folks thought & acted in the past and to allow us to enjoy ourselves planning and building our models.
Please feel welcomed to join in with your M48/M60.
Vintage Paul
I'd happily live in the past but for air conditioning, the internet, mobile phones, modern medicine & dentistry and, and, and . . .
Guangxi, China / 简体
Joined: August 23, 2016
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Posted: Monday, September 19, 2016 - 11:29 PM UTC
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Seems like those rules are fine.
Though it feels pretty "on-the-line" to count the M48/M60s, I'm not complaining if that's still fine, as that's my only possible entry, but still, feels funny to have it 'based' on Landships as opposed to multi-gun / multi-turret / etc. As all Landships have multi-gun / multi-turret (Correct me if im wrong there*), but not all multi- vehicles are Landships.
Just my thoughts though.
And good thoughts they are. My original title was "Two Heads are Better than One." Only after some reflection did I realize that the real focus needed to be on a concept. Some Landships have no turrets or sponsons, others are very small yet still retained elements of the Landship concept such as multiple turrets.
Seeing we are not tied to a special geographic or temporal location I feel that we should keep our mission statement loose to include all sorts of vehicles even if they only retain elements of the original concept.
I would like to include the M48/M60s and any other postwar vehicles that fit the description. This campaign is about learning something about the way folks thought & acted in the past and to allow us to enjoy ourselves planning and building our models.
Please feel welcomed to join in with your M48/M60.
Sounds great to me, I was just in a 'picky' mood after a weekend of helping a friend move back into his house after a 3-month leave, so my OCD was still on full-alert for anything odd
Nothing was really meant by it.
I'll certainly be joining with my M60A1 though, It's going to be a couple months before I can really get started, but I'm pretty eager for it! At worst, I might put the wheels and searchlight together beforehand.
Never saw a landship that lacked the "multi-" part of the design myself though, aside from, say, the TOG II. Which, almost surprisingly I dont think there's a kit of?
Certainly is a bit difficult to get a title that has the feel of both themes though. Current one seems the best, really!
#460
California, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 01:31 AM UTC
With the model companies putting out so many great new kits I can only hope that the TOG and the A1 Independent will be on the docket in the near future. Who could have guessed at some of the models we are enjoying now just a few years ago?
Vintage Paul
I'd happily live in the past but for air conditioning, the internet, mobile phones, modern medicine & dentistry and, and, and . . .
Lisboa, Portugal
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 02:22 AM UTC
Fellas enlist
HERE !!!! 
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Guangxi, China / 简体
Joined: August 23, 2016
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 03:06 AM UTC
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With the model companies putting out so many great new kits I can only hope that the TOG and the A1 Independent will be on the docket in the near future. Who could have guessed at some of the models we are enjoying now just a few years ago?
True, I'd never have expected to see an IT-1 at all. And never a T-14 nearly as quick as it was released (Examples I have waiting to be built*). It's certainly nice to see a few lesser known and new vehicles in a good timeframe!
Can't say I'd get a TOG or A1E1 myself (Looking at shelf space here!), but I'm sure alot of people would go crazy with "what-if" paint schemes on them, due to their landship look.
Guangxi, China / 简体
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 03:09 AM UTC
New guy question, how does one actually sign up for it? First try and all!
Edit: Nevermind, got it!
Lisboa, Portugal
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 03:11 AM UTC
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New guy question, how does one actually sign up for it? First try and all!
Edit: Nevermind, got it!
ok... it was easy right ?
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#460
California, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 03:14 AM UTC
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New guy question, how does one actually sign up for it? First try and all!
Edit: Nevermind, got it!
Shalta - You did it! I just checked and you are enlisted officially.
John - Thanks for your very quick response. I guess we better get working on a ribbon . . .
Vintage Paul
I'd happily live in the past but for air conditioning, the internet, mobile phones, modern medicine & dentistry and, and, and . . .
#460
California, United States
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 03:19 AM UTC
We're officially a campaign now. We start December 1, 2016 and run until September 1, 2017. Now its time to get our Landships and other multi-headed monsters ready for construction. I can hardly wait!
Vintage Paul
I'd happily live in the past but for air conditioning, the internet, mobile phones, modern medicine & dentistry and, and, and . . .
Guangxi, China / 简体
Joined: August 23, 2016
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Posted: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 - 03:28 AM UTC
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New guy question, how does one actually sign up for it? First try and all!
Edit: Nevermind, got it!
ok... it was easy right ?
Ha, yeah... It took me a second to notice I had to sign in again, not my best moment! I didnt know how to delete my post (Didnt look if I could*), so I added the "edit:" part.
I should 'probably' have poked around the page for an extra minute before posting, really.
Edit: I guess delete is an option. Future reference and all.
