Hi Paul,

Sure, I'd like some translation done. Thanks.

Here are some slogans I posted before:


I later found a web page which translated the first one into "Crush the Fascist Vipers!" which sounds better than "Be the reptile!" I'm assuming that would mean the last one would be "Crush the Enemy."

Here's the page I found the first translation on...it has 10 slogans translated, but is mostly about using a white gel pen to reproduce the slogans on models...
http://www.battlefront.co.nz/Article.asp?ArticleID=250

I didn't have much luck translating either the Trumpeter decals or Archer transfers...


Can you shed some light on those? The second one really threw me. I figured out "For Soviet" but the third and fifth letters looked just like a carat symbol "^" but I couldn't find anything like it in Cyrillic. There were some similar characters, but nothing seemed to de-scramble the word.

I did find another online translation service. This one is better in that it can translate a webpage, plus if you click on a link, the translator will take care of the next page too...
http://www.worldlingo.com/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html

Very handy for general translation of pages like this one which is in Russian...
http://armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/WWII/T34_85/

It even does Japanese, which was handy to figure out Finemolds will start selling the T-34-85 replacement barrels sometime this month. Here's the Finemolds page...
http://www.sala.or.jp/%7Efm/sp10/85.htm

The translations aren't perfect, but they help.

"Crush the Fascist Vipers" is correct as is the "Crush the enemy"

Ok, the first slogan for Trumpeter I can't help you with - it is eather a specific abreviation or a slogan that had some letters missing so they just put the ones that were there.

The second slogan for Trumpeter should read:

ЗА СОВЕТСКУЮ МАЛАЛАВИЮ,
not:
ЗД СОВЕТСКУЮ МАЛАЛАВИЮ

If you were talking about the letter Л, it is indeed a Russian letter L.

The third slogan:

Сталин - Stalin
За Сталина - For Stalin

The fourth slogan for Trumpeter and the first for Archer have the word SUVOROV - he was an outstanding General...

The second one for Archer is also something I can't help you with, it's either someone's name, 3 last names, or a town or village.

Anything else you need I will be glad to help.

Thanks Paul,

I suspect a large part of the problem translating a couple of this is my guess work with identifying the Cyrillic characters. Here's the two troublesome decals...




Do those make any sense to you?

Also, has anyone seen this variation? I'm new to the Russian armor, so I don't know if it's well known or not...


I found it on this page...
http://tanks.gunpoint-3d.com/mod.r-ru-T34.html

Для мати России

Is this "real" russian ?

I just figured this one out: the first slogan is not За Советскую Молалавию

in's anctually supposed to read:

За Советскую Молдавию - this means "For Soviet Moldova" back in the day, all countries of the Soviet Union had the word "Soviet" in front of them for example: Soviet Russia, Soviet Ukraine, Soviet Latvia, etc.

The second slogan is probably a list of 3 names, it could be the names of the crew or names of the battalion commanders. The reason I'm having trouble with this one is because these seem to be old Russian names. For instance, my dad only heard Ераст once in his life!

The trouble you're having translating those is because these are in cursive and since most of the decal manufacturers don't know Cyrilics, they might get some letters wrong. However I'm really glad you're trying to translate.


The uparmored version of the T-34 you provided is not a common version, not being an expert on the T-34 I can't exactly tell you what it is, but I think I saw this model in some Russian modeling magazine, and it had some history and how to for building it.





If you said that in Russian, people would understand you, but that's not the correct way to say it.

This would be correct: За Россию Мать or За Мать Россию

Для and За are the same word meaning FOR, it's just that they are used in different instances.

If you guys want, I can write the alphabet with the translated English version of the letter and the letter in cursive and small and Capital versions.

Paul,
I've been taking a break from my Trumpeter T-34 but still following the thread. I find your discussion of the translation very interesting. I'm sure everyone would be thrilled to have the translation chart you mentioned.
Perhaps you could do it as an article so that it would be easily available on the site.

Chuck

Thanks Chuck, I might actually try to get an article in sometime. However it will have to wait a little - I currently have to finish an article for the Russian Armorama page in hopes of raising the popularity of our site.

Super Poul, really nice of you (Not counting football :-) ) . I have learned a very little russian ages ago, i only remember the important stuff, like "cheers", "hello" etc .... :-)

By the way, heres my mod. 42 underway, I made the engine deck removable to get a decent view of the engine:

Looking great MrMox. Very cleverly done I think and not a small amount of effort to make it look so simple too I'll bet!

Inspired by the translation work that's been happening and because it doesn't seem slogan applying was an exact science, I've hand painted mine on. It was copied from a photo so I think I'm safe in guessing it's not obscene I'd like to know what it means if someone's got the time....

New album started as I now damage and weather the thing:
http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/[email protected]/album?.dir=/3e70&.src=ph

Oh, that was easy - about 5 min. work with a sharp knife, the inlet covers provides support as they lay on the hulsides.

Hi, MrMox: I really like how you've done that rear plate on your model. This gives me some idea of how it's supposed to look when it's done. I would imagine you have also made those two hinges on the bottom workable too.

mahoon: really like your model, esp. those hand-painted slogans and numbers. This, I think, is the way to go, esp., thanks to some of the other modelers here, that we can now get some correct spellings of some of these things. After putting this much time and work into this model, it sort of adds the finishing touch to have a slogan that is correct in it's spelling, at least to me.

Very good job guys.

Take care, Larry

Am I the only one crazy enough thinking about doing a SU85 conversion ??

Anyone who has blueprints/scaledravings of a SU85 ? :-)

Hey MrMox....

Wow, great cut-outs of the rear panels.

I remembered seeing drawings of various T-34 models on at www.battlefield.ru. I checked and found they have some of the SU-85 and the SU-85M linked on this page (about 1/2 way down)...
http://www.battlefield.ru/outlines/outlines.html

I didn't know much about the SU-85's and found this page helpful...
http://www.battlefield.ru/su85.html

Go for it. I'd certainly enjoy seeing the results.

HI. Now that would have been something that Trumpter could have done instead of adding an extra /85 to this series of four T-34 kits. That would have basically 'forced' the sales of a 4th kit to everybody interested in these kits. But, it could still come about. What are we talking abo ut here? Three of four extra full spures of parts more or less? I wouldn't thing it would be that much of a deal for them to d. Well, we can always hope.

Woudln't it be really neat if they would bring out a series of 1/16 scale IS tanks? Just a change of turrets basically.

Take care, Sgirty

Hey, super links - I had allready found the last one, but the first with the scaledrawings is just super - to bad AFV Interiors is down, I need something about the interior layout.

I guess if I buy the T34/85 i´ll have the right fueltanks and the proper maingun, then I "just" need to make a new mantle and bearing for the gun .... it should be a realistic project even for a newbie lile me

Are you talking about the T-34-76 page on AFV Interiors? If so, I know the front door to the site is closed, but the pages still seem to be there. See if this works...
http://afvinteriors.hobbyvista.com/t34/t34a.html

If not, and that's the page you need, let me know because I copied it before the site officially closed.

Oh, if you didn't find this page already, you're going to like it...here's lots of exterior shots of a SU85...
http://www.seedwiki.com/page.cfm?doc=Vehicle%20Picture%20List&wikiid=92&vehiclename=SU85-Aberdeen&typefolder=tanks&nationalfolder=russian

For you "regular" T-34 folks, if you haven't been to that Tanks2Scale site, there are links to over a hundred detail photos, mostly exterior, of the other T-34's....
http://www.seedwiki.com/page.cfm?doc=Russian%20Tanks&wikiid=92

colo_artist, great links, I have the T34/76 page myself, but I can´t remember if there was a SU85/100 page allso ??

I´ll need something about the interior layout of the fighting compartment.

'Sergei Kirov' is done I think

I'm pleased with my first attempt to take my time and do it properly. In fact there were several firsts here:

First time I filled and sanded away ejector pin marks (v.good)
First time I managed to get the photoetch just about right (good)
First time I used acrylics (hmmm, jury's still out)
First time I used pastels (v.good)
First time I tried working with mud (good)


Anyway here's the album of shots (inside and out)
http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/[email protected]/album?.dir=7393&.src=ph&store=&prodid=&.done=http%3a//uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph//my_photos

Splendid work Mahoon, looking real good, mud and all!

Cool!

Hi mahoon: That sure does look like a success store to me. Really fine job. Your mud came out looking very nice. It really looks like that bad boy has done some heavy crawling just recently. Yet it isn't over done either. Just right. Really like your lettering, that came out great too. Lots of good weathering details. Looks like you may be ready for an /85 there.

Take care, Sgirty

Hey MrMox,

I don't know if the SU85/100 was there or not. I looked around...there are lots of references to that site, but I didn't find any page with SU85 information pointing to the AFV Interiors site, so I suspect there wasn't anything.

On man, the SU85/100's are interesting machines, but there doesn't seem to be much out there for photo references. I didn't find any nice cutaway diagram of the interior for you or even a layout drawing. In fact, the *only* interior photos I found were on the tankmaster site.

Here's a stripped and very neglected SU100. See if you can make anything out in these (there's three pages...the links are at the top...the second page had a nice picture of a fuel tank)...
http://www.thetankmaster.com/english/afv/su100_1r.asp

Here is a view down the hatch of a SU-100...
http://www.thetankmaster.com/ENGLISH/AFV/su100_J.asp

Here are some more SU shots at the same site...
http://www.thetankmaster.com/english/afv/su100_01r.asp

Actually, just go to this page and follow the SU links...
http://www.thetankmaster.com/tanks.asp

I found some very large line drawings of an SU-100 on this site...
http://www.maus120.com/menu7.htm

It's an interesting site, devoted to scratchbuilding 1/16 tanks. The pages are in Korean, I think. Anyway it's mega-hard to navigate. About halfway down the page, look for "SU-100." It has four links to the right of it. If you miss them, here are they are...
http://www.maus120.com/pro_t3485_1.jpg
http://www.maus120.com/pro_t3485_2.jpg
http://www.maus120.com/pro_t3485_3.jpg
http://www.maus120.com/pro_t3485_4.jpg

The third and fourth are drawings/photos of various parts and details paying special attention to the smoke cannisters.

On the same site, there's some detailed exterior photos of a SU-100...
http://www.maus120.com/su100.htm

Here are some more detailed shots...
http://serkoff.narod.ru/photoalbum21.html

...I already mentioned this page of a SU-85...
http://www.seedwiki.com/page.cfm?doc=Vehicle%20Picture%20List&wikiid=92&vehiclename=SU85-Aberdeen&typefolder=tanks&nationalfolder=russian

...and I just noticed this SU-100 on the same site...
http://www.seedwiki.com/page.cfm?doc=Vehicle%20Picture%20List&wikiid=92&vehiclename=Su100-AberdeenQ&typefolder=tanks&nationalfolder=russian

Here are some wartime photos...
http://www.redtanks.bos.ru/gallery/su85-100_1.htm

And finally some external shots of various SU's. There are six pages of them. The first one has a cool camo pattern...
http://www.jagdtiger.de/index2.htm?http://www.jagdtiger.de/SovietTanks/SU-100-01.htm

Karl

Jan,
Thanks for the inspiration. I just finished removing the engine cover on my T-34. It took me a bit longer then 5 min. But I got it done.
I think you just cured my T-34 block.
Thanks
Chuck

mahoon great work, I love the mud on the front and rear of the tank, how did you get the splattered effect?
The different tones really give some good realism to it, was this painted or is it just how the mud dried with the glue?
Carl

Thanks for the kind words folks. As to the mud majorproblem, I added acrylic yellow ochre during the mix and because I wanted a kind of 'new on top of old' effect I did two lots - one with quite a bit less yellow ochre in it. It worked to a degree but because I was experiementing at the time I was a little timid with the application. Still, I'm happy with the result and the next time I do mud I'll sor of basecoat it in the heavy yellow with the less yellow on top (heck, I might even squish some burnt umber in there next time)

Hi, Made it up to the local hobby store yesterday and picked up the T-34/85 "Factory No. 183" yesterday to finish up this series of vehicles. Needless to say the 'boss' wasn't real thrilled about another big box sitting around. But as long as it stays out in the garage she seemed to think that was okay.

By the instructions, this model is the nicest of the three I've gotten so far. Guess it has to do with all the goodies that are in this bigger turret. And I see that it also has something like 16 to 20 seperate rounds to build and paint too. Very nice touch there. But I'm still going to have to get a set of those resin rounds from Huzzar sometime this winter, as I want to build a couple of so ammo boxes to display outside and have one or two of them open to show the rounds within.

Only problem I can see at the moment is how to display that 9 3/4 inch whip antenna that mounts on top of the turret. Yeah, I know a lot of Russian tanks didn't have radios in them, but for some reason a tank without an antenna on it just doesn't seem to look right. Oh well, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. And it's going to be a while as I still have a mightly long way to go on the /42, plus the baby sitting of the grand kits starts tomorrow, so there goes a whole lot of time that's been basically free for the last 2 1/2 months. Oh well, again, I'll cross those bridges as I go along.

The turret on the /42 has been something of a bear to put together. Being somewhat smaller and connecting together in halves does have it's disadvantages. Have broken off the seats at least once handling it. Going to have to drill into these plastic hangers and add some reinforcement wire inside to get them on there more securely. Plus put them on as the absolute last thing to do on the turret section. (Luckily had haven't broken off the trigger unit yet.) And since I've been building the turret on this one first, I'm going to have to find or build a platform or sorts to mount this thing on till I get the body of it done. Such are the trials and tribulations of the hobby. Ha, ha!

I've been trying to follow some of majorproblem's wiring additions that he put on his /42 vehicle and so far it's all come out pretty good, or at least successfully. Although most of it won't be seen, except just bits of it here and there. But that's okay too.

Been looking over a couple of those Dragon German half track kits I picked up this summer and am having trouble visualizing going back to such small scale kits. These big 1/16 scale models can sure spoil a person, and that's for sure.

Am also going to follow the group build on this big kit over on the FSM site and see what additons those folks come up with on their kits, although I would imagine they would be very hard pressed to build kits that would be better, or more detailed, that what you guys have done and shown here.

Take care, Sgirty