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The Great War 11-11-11 (official thread)
vonHengest
Joined: June 29, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 02:23 PM UTC
Well crude or not, we don't have many people superdetailing Emhar Whippets. They aren't the best kits but they are affordable for those of us crazy enough to undertake a task like this and any info is helpful for certain
Tailor
Joined: May 26, 2008
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Posted: Sunday, March 11, 2012 - 06:28 PM UTC
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To be honest, much of the stuff is "recycled" from various bits of rubbish ("Trash" to a Yank)...
That's what it's all about! This much more modelling in the true sense of the word then putting toghther super designed and mashined kits. I think you effort is just great!
Cheers,
Guido
AlanL
Joined: August 12, 2005
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 06:42 AM UTC
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To be honest, much of the stuff is "recycled" from various bits of rubbish ("Trash" to a Yank)...
That's what it's all about! This much more modelling in the true sense of the word then putting toghther super designed and mashined kits. I think you effort is just great!
Cheers,
Guido
Ditto
Al
BTW I was talking with Ian from Friendship Models. It would apear he has about 5 WW1 tanker crew available in white metal. These were originally sculpted by Pete Morton and released by LSA. He's sending some pictures so I'll post them up when they come. Might be of interest to the tank builders.
There is a cronic shortage of 1/35 British figuers in this area. I was really surprised by how few exist.
Al
JackG
Joined: May 28, 2006
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 07:07 AM UTC
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There is a cronic shortage of 1/35 British figuers in this area. I was really surprised by how few exist.
Al
Agreed. Thinking about this and comparing to what is available in the WWII category, it must stem from the fact that there is not a whole lot of WWI armour kits (and this because there isn't that many armour types during this era?). So most manufactures stick to 54mm scale to cater to the more popular size of the individual figure modeler. Just my 2 cents.
regards,
Jack
AlanL
Joined: August 12, 2005
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 07:43 AM UTC
Hi Jack,
Yes, most probably. New tooled 1/35 tanks with interiors would make a difference and they are most probably long overdue.
WW1 offers super settings for diorama builders as it was mainly an artillery and foot soldiers war. It's a great pity there isn't more choice available in this scale.
Al
Yes, most probably. New tooled 1/35 tanks with interiors would make a difference and they are most probably long overdue.
WW1 offers super settings for diorama builders as it was mainly an artillery and foot soldiers war. It's a great pity there isn't more choice available in this scale.
Al
Murdo
Joined: May 25, 2005
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 09:51 AM UTC
It's a great pity as WW1 is such a fascinating subject. Some of the equipment used there was incredible.
There was a "Time Team" program on about a weapon that was tunnelled underground until it was just short of the German lines. When activated it raised a hose up a few feet up and sprayed the Germans like a giant flamethrower.
Time Team got the Royal Engineers to build a replica and even they were a bit shocked by it.
I have a movie I've watched a few time about an Australian mining company tunnelling under the German lines in WW1 called "Beneath Hill 60". An absolutely incredible movie.
There was a "Time Team" program on about a weapon that was tunnelled underground until it was just short of the German lines. When activated it raised a hose up a few feet up and sprayed the Germans like a giant flamethrower.
Time Team got the Royal Engineers to build a replica and even they were a bit shocked by it.
I have a movie I've watched a few time about an Australian mining company tunnelling under the German lines in WW1 called "Beneath Hill 60". An absolutely incredible movie.
vonHengest
Joined: June 29, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 10:08 AM UTC
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There is a cronic shortage of 1/35 British figuers in this area. I was really surprised by how few exist.
Al
Agreed. Thinking about this and comparing to what is available in the WWII category, it must stem from the fact that there is not a whole lot of WWI armour kits (and this because there isn't that many armour types during this era?). So most manufactures stick to 54mm scale to cater to the more popular size of the individual figure modeler. Just my 2 cents.
regards,
Jack
There are actually a lot of armor subjects from WWI. It was not only the birth of the tank, but of the armored car, armored transport, and self-propelled artillery (to an extent) as well. There are a lot of armored vehicles that people are quick to overlook, not to mention softskins of all shapes and sizes.
The fact that major manufacturers as well as some well thought of upstarts are pursuing interwar AFV's is VERY encouraging because it shows that they are aware of the interest of pre-WWII subjects and are slowly pursuing this area. We are also seeing a few new softskins and resin kits as well.
-thumbs up-
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Yes, most probably. New tooled 1/35 tanks with interiors would make a difference and they are most probably long overdue.
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There's no probably about it, they ARE looooooong overdue!
Murdo: I agree wholeheartedly, however I doubt we will see such a fascinating devise kitted in the near future. It is possible that the cottage industry would pursue it, or at least the figures for the team if they feel there is enough interest.
Model on!
edoardo
Joined: November 30, 2007
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 05:58 PM UTC
Hi guys!
Thank ypu for the warm welcome!
Unfortunately I had a car crash yestersay.... Nothing serius
fortunately but i slitly injured my left thumb which is now plastered (sort of) so it is hard for me to handle small pices.... For a week at least....
Lesson learned: drive slower!
Murdo, you rengine is fantastic!
Well done mate!
Ciao
Edo
Thank ypu for the warm welcome!
Unfortunately I had a car crash yestersay.... Nothing serius
fortunately but i slitly injured my left thumb which is now plastered (sort of) so it is hard for me to handle small pices.... For a week at least.... Lesson learned: drive slower!
Murdo, you rengine is fantastic!
Well done mate!
Ciao
Edo
vonHengest
Joined: June 29, 2010
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Posted: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 - 06:11 PM UTC
Glad to hear you're ok Edo, take care of that thumb it's essential to the hobby 
cdharwins
Joined: October 28, 2006
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Posted: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 - 12:12 PM UTC
Murdo,
Man, that looks GREAT! I'm looking forward to seeing how you make the vents on the side of the hull. I cut them off of my kit thinking I would be a hot-shot and scratch new ones. How hard could it be, right? Well, I've figured out how NOT to do it, along with plenty of swearing, but no vents!
Chris
Man, that looks GREAT! I'm looking forward to seeing how you make the vents on the side of the hull. I cut them off of my kit thinking I would be a hot-shot and scratch new ones. How hard could it be, right? Well, I've figured out how NOT to do it, along with plenty of swearing, but no vents!
Chris
AlanL
Joined: August 12, 2005
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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 - 02:07 AM UTC
Hi folks,
well I've open the box on my Rolls Royce. I'd like to do it as a Lawrance of Arabia support vehicle so I'll have to look for an appropriate figure or two.
In the mean time I thought I'd make a start on a trench scene from the Somme in 1916. Figures are going to be a real problem but I have a few I think I can convert reasonably easily and hopefully MCs Brits will be back on sale in the summer.
So here' plan A.
A OP on a slightly raised piece of ground, switching to some 'caves' the soldiers have dug out moving to a Sap for an MG or Lewis Gun position. Some basic trenching with a fire steps leading to more caves and an Officers dugout. Just behind the line and leading of a small communications trench I though I'd set up an aid post of some sort.
From the pictures I've studied some parts of the trench system were quite well developed whilst others parts were little more than scrap holes. Bits would be destroyed and generally the place was pretty much a mess.
Anyway I got the play dough out this morning to get some idea of layout/ size etc, etc.
The OP would be top left on riased ground: Next to it some caves and a Sap
Then a semi straigh run of trench leading to some caves and the Officers Dugout:
At the rear leading off a short communication trench would be the aid station as can be seen in picture 1!
It would be nice to have both the RR and trench done for the 11th November - we shall see how things progress.
Cheers
Al
well I've open the box on my Rolls Royce. I'd like to do it as a Lawrance of Arabia support vehicle so I'll have to look for an appropriate figure or two.
In the mean time I thought I'd make a start on a trench scene from the Somme in 1916. Figures are going to be a real problem but I have a few I think I can convert reasonably easily and hopefully MCs Brits will be back on sale in the summer.
So here' plan A.
A OP on a slightly raised piece of ground, switching to some 'caves' the soldiers have dug out moving to a Sap for an MG or Lewis Gun position. Some basic trenching with a fire steps leading to more caves and an Officers dugout. Just behind the line and leading of a small communications trench I though I'd set up an aid post of some sort.
From the pictures I've studied some parts of the trench system were quite well developed whilst others parts were little more than scrap holes. Bits would be destroyed and generally the place was pretty much a mess.
Anyway I got the play dough out this morning to get some idea of layout/ size etc, etc.
The OP would be top left on riased ground: Next to it some caves and a Sap
Then a semi straigh run of trench leading to some caves and the Officers Dugout:
At the rear leading off a short communication trench would be the aid station as can be seen in picture 1!
It would be nice to have both the RR and trench done for the 11th November - we shall see how things progress.
Cheers
Al
vonHengest
Joined: June 29, 2010
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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 - 04:13 AM UTC
Exciting projects Al!
AlanL
Joined: August 12, 2005
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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 - 06:02 AM UTC
Hi Jeremy,
This one should be a lot of fun. Started on my first figure conversion this evening. One of the Great North Roads figures, I've had for a few years, who will be a soldier resting on his spade having a smoke. Hopefully he will turn out OK!
Also did a bit more work on the base.
Cheers
Al
This one should be a lot of fun. Started on my first figure conversion this evening. One of the Great North Roads figures, I've had for a few years, who will be a soldier resting on his spade having a smoke. Hopefully he will turn out OK!
Also did a bit more work on the base.
Cheers
Al
Murdo
Joined: May 25, 2005
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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 - 06:27 AM UTC
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Murdo,
Man, that looks GREAT! I'm looking forward to seeing how you make the vents on the side of the hull. I cut them off of my kit thinking I would be a hot-shot and scratch new ones. How hard could it be, right? Well, I've figured out how NOT to do it, along with plenty of swearing, but no vents!
Chris
Ah, simples mate, I'm going to cheat. I have the Airwaves PE set.
Railspltr
Joined: March 19, 2010
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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 - 08:33 AM UTC
Perhaps you gentleman building trenches might be interested in the photo gallery sections of two WWI on-line sites. The GWA.org (Great War Association) and The Trenchline forum. Both showcase color and non-color photos of the well researched, though not uniformly maintained trenches at Newville, Pennsylvania.
cdharwins
Joined: October 28, 2006
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Posted: Thursday, March 15, 2012 - 11:54 AM UTC
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Ah, simples mate, I'm going to cheat. I have the Airwaves PE set.
Aha!! I didn't know there was such a thing! See that? All I have to do is have to search around for one. Thanks, Murdo!
Murdo
Joined: May 25, 2005
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Posted: Friday, March 16, 2012 - 12:29 PM UTC
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Quoted TextAh, simples mate, I'm going to cheat. I have the Airwaves PE set.
Aha!! I didn't know there was such a thing! See that? All I have to do is have to search around for one. Thanks, Murdo!
Part number on my set is: AEC35060 Whippet "A" Medium Tank
cdharwins
Joined: October 28, 2006
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Posted: Friday, March 16, 2012 - 03:27 PM UTC
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Part number on my set is: AEC35060 Whippet "A" Medium Tank
Ordered! Thanks!!!!
vonHengest
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Posted: Saturday, March 17, 2012 - 12:41 AM UTC
Chris: Where did you order the Airwaves PE set AEC35060 for the Whippet?
cdharwins
Joined: October 28, 2006
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Posted: Saturday, March 17, 2012 - 01:10 AM UTC
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Chris: Where did you order the Airwaves PE set AEC35060 for the Whippet?
Jeremy,
I got it from Hannants. With shipping it was about $14.00, and I alredy got an email from them telling me it's on its way.
Chris
Buckeye198
Joined: May 02, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2012 - 07:49 AM UTC
Finally back at my workbench! I knocked out my kit for the Marine Corps Campaign on Friday, and now I'm hoping to just about finish Captain Eddie's Nieuport before Sunday. I decided to completely ignore my airbrush and return to good old fashioned hand-painting. I sprayed grey Testors rattle can primer, then dove right in, paintbrush in hand. I did use the Vallejo colors though since I bought them specifically for this project. The lightest color needed mixing, and Medium Green (the green on the starboard side of the top wing) was much to dark, but whatever. I'm not a perfectionist here. All in all, though, I'd say that the camo looks pretty good given my limitations.
I began installing the struts. I've seen some fancy rigs for assembling biplanes, but this is all done freehand. If this thing looks halfway decent after assembly, it'll be a bigger miracle than when these planes first flew over the skies of Europe.
I should have the top wing up tonight, and maybe some rigging too. Here's hoping for an easy time...
I began installing the struts. I've seen some fancy rigs for assembling biplanes, but this is all done freehand. If this thing looks halfway decent after assembly, it'll be a bigger miracle than when these planes first flew over the skies of Europe.
I should have the top wing up tonight, and maybe some rigging too. Here's hoping for an easy time...
Buckeye198
Joined: May 02, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2012 - 04:11 PM UTC
Update: Holy crap...airbrushing aside, rigging is just about THE most frustrating thing I've ever done in modeling! I don't get how you guys can do this!
edoardo
Joined: November 30, 2007
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2012 - 06:12 PM UTC
Hi Robby!
WW1 aircraft are what I build most, so I can give you some advices.
First of all, do have a look at the Early Aviation forum over Aeroscale: it is full of useful information and the people you meet there are very friendly and talented, so you can learn alot from them.
While you are there search for the Terri Werner tutorial on how to use Qtips for making turnbuckles: it is quite explicative and I am sure you'llike it.
After having spent there a couple of hours, you'll see rigging in a completely different way.... At least that's what happened to me
Now: what scale are you building in? 1:48? If so the trick is pre drill holes in the fusolage and wings where the rigging is going to start, then insert small loopholes out of copper wire, fix it with cyano.
You can use .1 mm monofilament (fishing) wire for rigging using the loopholes and hold all togheter with cyano.
I over simplified the process, just to give you an idea... Not hard as it seems...
Keep us posted!
Ciao
Edo
WW1 aircraft are what I build most, so I can give you some advices.
First of all, do have a look at the Early Aviation forum over Aeroscale: it is full of useful information and the people you meet there are very friendly and talented, so you can learn alot from them.
While you are there search for the Terri Werner tutorial on how to use Qtips for making turnbuckles: it is quite explicative and I am sure you'llike it.
After having spent there a couple of hours, you'll see rigging in a completely different way.... At least that's what happened to me
Now: what scale are you building in? 1:48? If so the trick is pre drill holes in the fusolage and wings where the rigging is going to start, then insert small loopholes out of copper wire, fix it with cyano.
You can use .1 mm monofilament (fishing) wire for rigging using the loopholes and hold all togheter with cyano.
I over simplified the process, just to give you an idea... Not hard as it seems...
Keep us posted!
Ciao
Edo
RedDuster
Joined: March 01, 2010
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Posted: Sunday, March 18, 2012 - 10:27 PM UTC
Nice paint job Robby, French WW1 camo schemes do look good.
Some more progress on the Kent, firstly another coat of sea has been added, a couple of slips with the brush, but nothing a touch up won't cure.
The after control top has had it's roof and cover added, and fitted to the mainmast. The after derrick has also been refitted,although will not be fully rigged until the maintop searchlight platform has been added. (2nd pic below shows the Derrick) more clearly.
Above also shows part of the roof structure of the after top, at this point still needs cutting to length.
Before building and adding the foretop, I have decided to fit the bridge, so 4 lengths of brass rod have been added for the supports coming up from the conning tower deck, again oversize, awaiting for the glue to cure so they can be cut down.
A general view of the project so far, the steam launch has been added, and some things do not show so well, all the boat chocks on the boat racks, and some, again overlength plastic strip to make the supports that hold the davits away from the tumblehome to keep them vertical, also the rigging supports & Bridge supports have been cut to length.
More soon Si
Some more progress on the Kent, firstly another coat of sea has been added, a couple of slips with the brush, but nothing a touch up won't cure.
The after control top has had it's roof and cover added, and fitted to the mainmast. The after derrick has also been refitted,although will not be fully rigged until the maintop searchlight platform has been added. (2nd pic below shows the Derrick) more clearly.
Above also shows part of the roof structure of the after top, at this point still needs cutting to length.
Before building and adding the foretop, I have decided to fit the bridge, so 4 lengths of brass rod have been added for the supports coming up from the conning tower deck, again oversize, awaiting for the glue to cure so they can be cut down.
A general view of the project so far, the steam launch has been added, and some things do not show so well, all the boat chocks on the boat racks, and some, again overlength plastic strip to make the supports that hold the davits away from the tumblehome to keep them vertical, also the rigging supports & Bridge supports have been cut to length.
More soon Si
Buckeye198
Joined: May 02, 2010
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Posted: Monday, March 19, 2012 - 03:19 AM UTC
Edo: I actually know the thread you're talking about...I have Terri's tutorials on making the turnbuckles as well as the 1/48 rigging bookmarked already! Unfortunately, since I don't have the proper tools (ie, a drill...) I'm just using stretched sprue glued end to end. And yes, it is a horrible pain. If I don't learn anything else from this campaign, I'll have learned that rigging is best done in 1:32 scale 
Simon Thanks! I've been particularly interested in your build since I was just working on a water dio myself and I also used foil. I was pleasantly surprised just how easy it was to get a good looking result, and it looks like you're doing very well with yours too!
Simon Thanks! I've been particularly interested in your build since I was just working on a water dio myself and I also used foil. I was pleasantly surprised just how easy it was to get a good looking result, and it looks like you're doing very well with yours too!
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