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RedDuster
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2012 - 08:02 PM UTC
Thanks Jeremy.

Nice work on the Wheels Richard, very inovative stuff.

Just a small update, all weekend spent at Southern Expo model show, so an hr at the workbench last evening working on small stuff. paint job on crew & boats The port fwd seaboat is going to be swung out with the crew standing by, hence the white shirted bunch.



Si
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2012 - 09:12 PM UTC
Hi Simon,

Boy those are small, nice progress.

Another figure almost done, this time the Resicast WW2 Mechanic with a few alterations.



Al
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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - 12:35 AM UTC
Hi all!
My MK IV is proceeding steadly (I'll post some picture soon).
I find this build very smooth... well, yes, there are some fit issues, but nothing serius... the part are very big, their count is very low and I am really stunned on how fast I am going (compared with the time it took me to build a Dragom PkW III).
Nevertheless, having such a big flat surface, it will be fun to weather... I am looking forward to that stage... I plan to try all the "new" (to me) techniques I read in the forum...

In the meanwhile, I started the base and the figures.
And, speaking of figures, this the final result (from the producer's website)

now, my understanding is that the kneeling soldier is arming the granade, while the other is throwing it.
My considerations are based on the fact that the kneelig one has 2 bags of granades while the lying one no.
Problem is: I would expect that the right arm of the lying soldiers would be arched backward not in forward position as it is supposed to be by the instruction of the producer...
do you think I could modify it? and if so, how would you do it?
consider that it would be my first time in modifiing a figure...

thank you for any tip guys!
all the best
ciao
Edo
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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - 06:22 AM UTC
Hi Edo,

Regarding the soldier you want to perform surgery on, I don't think it looks all that wrong. He could be throwing the grenade side arm style. I do agree though that an over hand pose will look more dramatic.

So if I were to change the arm position, this is how I would do it:



Cut about a third of the back edge of the arm. Test fit to see how t looks proportion wise and angle. You likely will not be able to get flat ends to perfectly mate together - this will all depend on the angle cut, so dry test fit first. Drill a hole in the arm and body and insert a brass rod (or something similar) for better strength. Then putty/ filler the new joint.

regards,
Jack
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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - 12:03 PM UTC
Edoardo - just a note of reference. The Mk IV tank was introduced in June, 1917 on the Western Front at the battle of Messines. The German pickelhaube was replaced on the Western Front in 1916. By the time of the battle, all of the German infantry on the Western Front were wearing stahlhelms. To be accurate, your desperate trench defenders should be wearing steel helemets.
Jim.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - 07:10 PM UTC
Hi all!
Thank you Jack! I'll follow your tip...
I don't think I'll be able to replicate the farbric bends though... I'll post some pics soon....

Jim, you are absolutely right... I somewhat knew the time line was not right, but I hoped for a period in which the two could cohexist...
besides the pickelhaube is too cool so very first-war world-ish... I could not resist... I was also thinking to add the spear on top of it... do you think it is too much of 'artistic licence' ?
ciao
Edo
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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - 08:26 PM UTC
A bit more progress, this time playing with boat covers. I have made them before from tissue paper & white glue, but they never looked quite right. This time I have tried masking tape.



I found this quite a lot easier, and I think more effective, as above a strip of tape, wider and longer than the boat is cut, and pressed firmly down on top of the boat. It is then cut to shape, slightly larger all round than the boat, a slit cut at the bow & stern (it the boat has a transom stern little squares cut out at the after corners) and the a little thin superglue applied to the tape so it doesn't come unstuck, and the sides stuck down.



The final effect, a coat of light grey.

These are now ready to add the starboard boat rack.

Si
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Posted: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 - 07:26 AM UTC

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Hi all!
Thank you Jack! I'll follow your tip...
I don't think I'll be able to replicate the farbric bends though... I'll post some pics soon....

Jim, you are absolutely right... I somewhat knew the time line was not right, but I hoped for a period in which the two could cohexist...
besides the pickelhaube is too cool so very first-war world-ish... I could not resist... I was also thinking to add the spear on top of it... do you think it is too much of 'artistic licence' ?
ciao
Edo



Nah! Go for the pickelhaube! Long live artistic license!

geogeezer
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Posted: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 - 04:30 PM UTC
Al, as always I envy your skill with figures. I've been trying to find some sitting Australian figures for my light patrol car with no success. I may have to follow Dr. Frankenstein's lead and assemble some from miscellaneous body parts. I hope they don't turn out to be monsters.

Dick
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Posted: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 - 05:19 PM UTC

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Nah! Go for the pickelhaube! Long live artistic license!


Yeah! Murdo!
Ciao
Edo
AlanL
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Posted: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 - 09:30 PM UTC

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Al, as always I envy your skill with figures. I've been trying to find some sitting Australian figures for my light patrol car with no success. I may have to follow Dr. Frankenstein's lead and assemble some from miscellaneous body parts. I hope they don't turn out to be monsters.

Dick



Hi Dick,

MiniArt have a selection of possibles, that might not require to much conversion. (Jeep Crew) Firestorm Models do a nice set of Australian heads and the recent release of the bare chested German tank crew by MiniArt might also be useful.

With the Australians being much more relaxed than the British this should give you good scope for going a bit native!

Thanks for the feedback on the figs.

The Model T is looking great.

Al
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2012 - 11:24 AM UTC

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Al, as always I envy your skill with figures. I've been trying to find some sitting Australian figures for my light patrol car with no success. I may have to follow Dr. Frankenstein's lead and assemble some from miscellaneous body parts. I hope they don't turn out to be monsters.

Dick



Hi Dick,

MiniArt have a selection of possibles, that might not require to much conversion. (Jeep Crew) Firestorm Models do a nice set of Australian heads and the recent release of the bare chested German tank crew by MiniArt might also be useful.

With the Australians being much more relaxed than the British this should give you good scope for going a bit native!

Thanks for the feedback on the figs.

The Model T is looking great.

Al



Thanks for the tip, Al. I'll check that out.

Dick
geogeezer
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2012 - 03:42 PM UTC
Hi all.
This pretty much concludes the Australian Light Patrol Car build, except for some figures eventually. In spite of the problems with the kit it was a lot of fun, and I learned a lot researching the history of the Australian Light Horse and its 1st Armoured Car Section and attached light patrol cars, as well as the Model T Ford itself. Incidentally, the cars all had names, although they don't appear in the pictures. The nameplates were transferred from the old cars handed over to the Australians by the British with, as Captain E. H. James said, "the mud of three continents and scars from many battles" to six new Fords at the outset of the Palestine campaign in December, 1917.
Quoting again from Captain James, "there was ANZAC, (so named because it was supposed to have been used on the peninsula at Gallipoli) and was the oldest car in the patrol. Then came BILLZAC which was generally the companion to ANZAC. OTASEL received its name from its tendency to warm the feet of its occupants and SILENT SUE because it was the quietest car in the fleet. IMSHI was so named on account of its speed capabilities, (IMSHI being the Egyptian word for clear out.) No. 6 car was generally known as BUNG. This car carried the spare ammunition and some said that this was the reason for its name, but some held that there were other reasons." Front quarter view. The radiator was reduced to scale from a photo and printed out in black and white on my printer. With a steel nib pen and gold paint, I carefully filled in the emblem, then cut out the radiator and mounted the image in the radiator shell with decoupage stuff. Left side view showing the spare tire mount. The leather straps are painted strips of waterproof adhesive tape. Rear quarter view, showing the dash board and floor pedals. Right side view showing the scratch built cans on the running board. I have no idea what they contained, as there were no color standards at the time. They could have held water, gasoline/petrol, kerosene/paraffin, or lubricating oil. The Model T Ford had a true multi-fuel engine and could burn gasoline, kerosene, and alcohol. I suspect that with an updraft carburetor located low on the side of the engine and no air or oil filters, they probably burned a lot of oil too.
Another right side view. For those unfamiliar with the Model T, the model rests atop a Model T spark coil, one of four which resided in a box on the dashboard, buzzing away like a wasp's nest while supplying energy to the spark plugs. I acquired that particular coil from a junk yard eons ago when I was in high school to ignite a model liquid fuel rocket engine. No, it didn't fly. Strictly a bench test. Left side view atop the same base.

I haven't done any weathering except for a little smudging and dry brushing with Humbrol khaki which is slightly darker and flatter than the Krylon spray used as a base coat. The tires and radiator got a light dusting of talcum powder.

Cheers,
Dick
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Posted: Thursday, March 29, 2012 - 03:52 PM UTC
Eduardo, I suspect that the lying figure is actually handing the grenade to the kneeling figure, but this is one of a few Masterclub sets I do not have.
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Posted: Friday, March 30, 2012 - 04:30 PM UTC
Nice presentation you have going on there Dick, and I'm glad that you are learning good stuff. That's a big part of this campaign
AlanL
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Posted: Friday, March 30, 2012 - 11:42 PM UTC
Hi Dick,

Great work, looking the business now. Nice idea for the mount.

Al

PS: Does anyone have a good picture of an Officers shirt and tie?

Thanks

A
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Posted: Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 06:10 PM UTC

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Hi Dick,

Great work, looking the business now. Nice idea for the mount.

Al

PS: Does anyone have a good picture of an Officers shirt and tie?

Thanks

A



Jeremy and Al - thanks for the kind words.

Al, assuming you're thinking of Australian officers, I found a photo of LTC John "Bull"Antill in shirt sleeves & tie in Les Carlyon's fine 2001 book Gallipoli in a group of photos between pages 344 and 345 in my copy. The Australian War Memorial site has tons of photos, and I found these in the Australian Light Horse section:
Group of officers in shirt sleeves & ties http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/P00153.051
Two lieutenants in shirts & ties http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/J05697
Captain in shirt sleeves & necktie http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/J05694
Two lieutenants in shirt sleeves & ties http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/H15208
One thing is quite evident: Australian Light Horse uniforms were rarely uniform.
I hope this is what you were looking for. That site has quite a few photos of trenches and dugouts at Gallipoli as well.
Cheers
Dick
AlanL
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Posted: Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 06:41 PM UTC
Hi Dick,

Thanks, the last picture is close to what I was looking for.

It's for a British Officer NWE, sorry I should have said, but there were Aussies on the Somme too.

An interesting site though.

Cheers

Al
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Posted: Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 08:23 PM UTC
hello alan, I hope it'll help you.
steph

http://www.thehistorybunker.co.uk/acatalog/WW1_Uniforms.html
AlanL
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Posted: Saturday, March 31, 2012 - 08:30 PM UTC
Hi Steph,

Thanks

Al
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Posted: Sunday, April 01, 2012 - 08:59 PM UTC
Progress on the Kent continues.

All the required boats have been covered as previously described, and added to the chocks. One slight issue with the etch, the boat chocks were etched seperatley from the racks, which meant an edge to edge join, and naturally under my ham fisted adding of the boats I knocked several off, all fornately found and replaced, but a poor etch design to my simple mind. also the lashings for the boats have fabricated from copper wire. also at this point the achor cables are in the process of being fitted, fixed to the capstans waiting for glue to dry prior to bending into shape.



The Fo'c'sle railings have been added, a bit of a cut and shunt to get the stantions in roughly the right place.

Next on with the structure undet the bridge. The Inner supports (Not included in the kit have been cut, measured against the outer ones suppied on the etced fret) and added.



Test fitted these, but they proved to be too far outboard, here is the 2nd test fit with them in their correct position



Need a slight trim, and the cross bracing adding, then the outer ones built up, these will also be scratchbuilt, rather than use the etch provided, so the all match.

Si
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Posted: Monday, April 02, 2012 - 08:38 PM UTC
More progress last evening, the bridge supports were completed, including cross bracing.



Shown above unpainted, they were then painted and the bridge fitted.



Next job on that there are some diagonal struts to add, from the conning tower deck to the inner legs, and from half way up the outer legs to the inner legs. I am not sure from the photographs that is 100% accurate, but it is a lot more complete than what the kit provides.

Finally the last coat of sea & wake have been applied to the base.



A bit of shadow on that shot, but I am happy with the effect.

Si
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Posted: Monday, April 02, 2012 - 10:29 PM UTC
Hi all!
here I am to share some pictures of my work in progress...
I'd like to start with my figure.
and I want to thank you all for the advice you gave me for it. Matthew, seeing the picture on the site, I should agree with you, but, even if the posture seems to indicate that the lying one is giving the bomb to the other, to me it makes little sense as the kneeling one has the stockpile of bombs: why wait for another to pass one?

Anyway... this is the result of my surgery...



I am not really convinced with the bends of the cloths.... what do you think?

and here is the tank itself...



Here are the sponsoons



Lastly a picture of the trench...


well... that's all for now...
as usual, any comment is most welcome!
ciao
Edo
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Posted: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - 05:45 AM UTC
Hi Edo,
Good job on the arm reposition. Regarding the wrinkles you sculpted, maybe they look too identical? Here's a classic photo you can try using as reference:



regards,
Jack
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Posted: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 - 08:44 AM UTC
Hi Simon,
Your ship looks great. I can hardly wait to see her with the turrets in place.
Dick