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Most common truck in the 'Nam?
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Posted: Monday, March 01, 2010 - 06:20 AM UTC

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hey must have used them down south mostly, as you didn't see Arvn's in trucks very often up north. They pretty much flew everywhere they went



I worked with ARVN artillery batteries (155mm towed), the 21st ARVN Ranger Bn and a company of RF's at Hai Van Pass. The ARVN artillery used M-54's as primer movers and ammo trucks. The Rangers got rides when necessary on ARVN or USMC motor transport assets....usually M-35's. The RF's had some old WWII vintage jeeps as well as a couple fo M-38's. They also had a couple of WWII vintage Dodge "power wagons" that they used as prime movers for their 81mm mortar platoon. As I recall these were 1 ton 6x6 weapons carriers. I think Italieri has a model out of that vehicle.

Semper Fi,
Dave



First; "Welcome Home"
Second: what a wonderful garden spot the Hai Van Pass was!
gary
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Posted: Monday, March 01, 2010 - 08:32 AM UTC

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hey must have used them down south mostly, as you didn't see Arvn's in trucks very often up north. They pretty much flew everywhere they went



I worked with ARVN artillery batteries (155mm towed), the 21st ARVN Ranger Bn and a company of RF's at Hai Van Pass. The ARVN artillery used M-54's as primer movers and ammo trucks. The Rangers got rides when necessary on ARVN or USMC motor transport assets....usually M-35's. The RF's had some old WWII vintage jeeps as well as a couple fo M-38's. They also had a couple of WWII vintage Dodge "power wagons" that they used as prime movers for their 81mm mortar platoon. As I recall these were 1 ton 6x6 weapons carriers. I think Italieri has a model out of that vehicle.

Semper Fi,
Dave



First; "Welcome Home"
Second: what a wonderful garden spot the Hai Van Pass was!
gary



Jusdt thought I would post a photo showing the Hai Van Pass at the very top with the old French concrete security point/bunker I took this photo in 1994 and it shows why it's called the Sea Cloud Pass.

Sorry if I have hijacked your thread Joe but if you are interested I have a few photos from Vietnam in my photobucket album here
Cheers
David
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Posted: Monday, March 01, 2010 - 08:52 AM UTC
Hi Dave,
Dont worry, you're not hijacking my thread. It's great to see these photos & hear real life stories from those that were there.
So, was the Hai Van Pass the only road to the north of South Vietnam? And I bet it was like ambush alley, right?
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, March 01, 2010 - 09:34 AM UTC
The Gama Goat and the Goer were later designs. They wer not used in Nam. The trucks that were used were the M35 and M35A1 for 2 1/2 tons, M51 5 ton Dumps, M54 5 ton cargo, M37 3/4 ton and M715 1 1/4 ton (basically a jeep 3/4 ton pickup with a military body. If I remember correctly, the primary visual difference between a M35A1 and A2, were the A2 had larger taillights and the exhaust was routetd up the right side of the cab ahead of the passenger door instead of between the passenger side duals.
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Posted: Monday, March 01, 2010 - 10:22 AM UTC

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The Gama Goat and the Goer were later designs. They wer not used in Nam.



At least a few GOERs were field-tested there."During June 1966 ten 8-Ton Cargo,
six 2500-gallon Tanker and one 10-Ton Wrecker were inspected and
repaired and shipped to South Vietnam to form a GOER provizional
company for tests in S.E.A. areas". (http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD888679&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf )
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There's a picture showing a M553 GOER tanker being tested at Pleiku (1967) in Concord's "Vietnam Armor in Action" book.

Frenchy
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Posted: Monday, March 01, 2010 - 06:47 PM UTC

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hey must have used them down south mostly, as you didn't see Arvn's in trucks very often up north. They pretty much flew everywhere they went



I worked with ARVN artillery batteries (155mm towed), the 21st ARVN Ranger Bn and a company of RF's at Hai Van Pass. The ARVN artillery used M-54's as primer movers and ammo trucks. The Rangers got rides when necessary on ARVN or USMC motor transport assets....usually M-35's. The RF's had some old WWII vintage jeeps as well as a couple fo M-38's. They also had a couple of WWII vintage Dodge "power wagons" that they used as prime movers for their 81mm mortar platoon. As I recall these were 1 ton 6x6 weapons carriers. I think Italieri has a model out of that vehicle.

Semper Fi,
Dave



First; "Welcome Home"
Second: what a wonderful garden spot the Hai Van Pass was!
gary



Jusdt thought I would post a photo showing the Hai Van Pass at the very top with the old French concrete security point/bunker I took this photo in 1994 and it shows why it's called the Sea Cloud Pass.

Sorry if I have hijacked your thread Joe but if you are interested I have a few photos from Vietnam in my photobucket album here
Cheers
David



the more things change the more the stay the same! See the fog didn't go away! That fog made it so cold up on those mountain tops that you couldn't ever get warm! Was on one mountain top that was so cold that it was in the low fifties at night, and actually dropped into the high forties a couple times! Then it'd turn around and get into the high nineties after the fog burnt off. Everybody had a cold and many had the flue. It was so bad that they brought out wool long johns!
gary

P.S. for those that don't know, and for those that wanta know; that's big cat country as well
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Posted: Monday, March 01, 2010 - 10:26 PM UTC

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Joe - when I first came up with using the Italeri kit for a conversion - it was the "BigFoot" version I used.

I've never seen any of the Real Model conversions, so I can't vouch whether or not the wheels come in the kit. I've purchased them separately in past years. If you search our Review Section here, I think Pawel Krupowicz reviewed a Real Model conversion - it might mention whether or not the wheels were included.



Joe,
You probably read this already, but for anybody else interested... Pawels review... https://armorama.kitmaker.net/review/3451
Rgds,
Steve
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Posted: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 12:18 AM UTC
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the link. No, I hadn't read it but I have now!
I've managed to get hold of the Italeri M925 & the M54 gun truck "Satans 'Lil Angel" is on its way from Real Model now!
I cant wait to get it!
Thanks again Steve & all th best to you.
Joe.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 02, 2010 - 09:11 AM UTC
The wheels are not included in any of the real model gun truck conversions. But they sell the correct wheels for the conversion.
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Posted: Friday, March 12, 2010 - 12:58 PM UTC
Hiya fellas,
I'm still waiting for my Real Model order but I've been assured that it has finally been shipped! A week or two longer to wait. Ugh!
Okay, I would like to depict an M35A1 cargo truck in Vietnam & I have both the AFV Club M35A1 Gun Truck & M35A2 Cargo Truck. So I will need to kit bash these two together.
Can anybody point me in the right direction, please?
As I understand it, the exhaust pipe configuration is different. Is there anything else that I need to do?
All help is, as usual, greatly appreciated.
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, March 12, 2010 - 01:43 PM UTC
To make an M35A1, all you need is to leave all the guntruck parts off of the M35A1 Nancy Guntruck. The kit includes all the pieces to backdate it to an A1. You are correct on the exhaust, also the turn signals and rear lights are different. Check out Gunny's Nancy Guntruck build to see all the differences.
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Posted: Friday, March 12, 2010 - 02:01 PM UTC
Why not build one as the A1 and the other as the A2. We used both versions in Nam. So you will be correct in building either version.
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Posted: Friday, March 12, 2010 - 02:06 PM UTC
Thanks Gino & Dave,
The A2 was used later in the war, wasn't it?
Nice link Gino; thanks.
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, March 12, 2010 - 05:34 PM UTC
Joe,
In the real world - the difference between M35A1 and M35A2 was solely the engine - the M35A1 having a LDS-427 and the M35A2 was powered by either a LD-465 or an LDT-465. I'll assume you aren't modeling the engine compartment, so we'll ignore visible differences under the hood.

ALL M35A1 trucks have an exhaust exiting above and between the right rear tandems.

The same is the case for the earliest M35A2 trucks - the most likely version of the A2 to be seen in Vietnam. Mid-production M35A2 trucks had a vertical exhuast pipe through the passenger's side front fender. This pipe is (from memory) 3 inches in diameter, and the muffler is mounted in the area adjacent to the battery box (under the passengers door) with the pipe routed from there up through the fender. A FEW of these trucks were in Vietnam.

The latest M35A2 also has a vertical exhaust pipe - NO muffler (no muffler anywhere on the truck), and the exhuast was routed through the same place in the fender, althought the pipe larger (something like 4 inches), and signficantly, the exhaust pipe is what is known among enthusiasts as a "J pipe" so named for its shape, which is clearly visible under the front fender. No photographic evidence has yet surfaced of trucks with this exhaust configuration being used in Vietnam. If you go to: http://www.m35a2.org/ - the J-pipe is clearly seen under the fender of the truck at top left - or loose at this link.

I've not looked at the AFV club kit is 6-8 years, but I THINK their M35A2 represents the last configuration - this last point you may wanna verify, cause that is pure old memory. The rest of the above I am confident in.

Hope this helps.

Regards,
David Doyle
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Posted: Friday, March 12, 2010 - 08:45 PM UTC
Hi David,
Thanks mate. It's a great help.
So, all I need to change then on the AFV Club M35A2 is the exhaust pipe.
Great.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 02:38 AM UTC

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Hi David,
Thanks mate. It's a great help.
So, all I need to change then on the AFV Club M35A2 is the exhaust pipe.
Great.
Joe.


The tail lights were different for the A1's. But we had the A1's with the A2's tail lights. We used what we had to replace the parts on the trucks with supplies on hand or by cannibalizing destroyed trucks.
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Posted: Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 03:53 AM UTC
The turn signals would be different too. The early A2s didn't come with the big turn signals you see even nowadays on US military vehicles; they had the smaller 'blackout' kind of lights like on the A1. The AFV Club M35A2 on my modelling desk came with the later style.
I'm still undecided about how to finish it. I like 3-tone camo as well. But then I'm not sure if the inside would be CARC green or OD. Anyone?
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Posted: Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 05:18 AM UTC
Thanks Dave & Rob,
That's an interesting thought there Dave, about the different tail lights being replaced with spare parts at hand. Should make for an interesting little model.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 12:46 PM UTC

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Thanks Dave & Rob,
That's an interesting thought there Dave, about the different tail lights being replaced with spare parts at hand. Should make for an interesting little model.
Joe.



I've been trying to lay my hands on a plain jane M35a1 for quite awhile. I remember these guys from a
MAC-V team that had one that looked like it fell off a mountain! No doors or windshield! The hood and fenders all looked like somebody worked them over with a sledge hammer! It looked like it'd been painted with a paint roller a couple times with miss matching greens. Now there's a true truck for a maximum weathering project if I ever saw one
gary
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Posted: Saturday, March 13, 2010 - 05:51 PM UTC
Hiya Gary,
Now that MACV M35A1 rings a bell. I'm sure I've seen a photo of that same truck somewhere. I'll try & dig it out later today. It's a black & white photo so I cant tell you the colour scheme on the truck but this one has no doors & windscreen & it looks pretty beaten up!
There's quite a few guys catching a lift on this thing.
I think you're right. This would make a good modelling subject. Now, where did I see that photograph...
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 03:36 AM UTC
Here are some photos we gathered up from all my Brothers in Nam. Hope they will help out.

http://uglyranger.multiply.com/photos/album/5/Vietnam_Gun_Trucks_and_Jeeps
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Posted: Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 07:06 AM UTC

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Hiya Gary,
Now that MACV M35A1 rings a bell. I'm sure I've seen a photo of that same truck somewhere. I'll try & dig it out later today. It's a black & white photo so I cant tell you the colour scheme on the truck but this one has no doors & windscreen & it looks pretty beaten up!
There's quite a few guys catching a lift on this thing.
I think you're right. This would make a good modelling subject. Now, where did I see that photograph...
Joe.



If it's the one I think it is, it from the MAC-V post a little north east of Thien Phouc (A102). They at one time were part of A102, but somewhere along the way split off into a remote fort that was maybe three miles away. The only guy I ever saw driving the beast was a blond haired guy that looked like a nose tackle that got into a fight with a grizzley bear! I've been very worried for many years as to wether or not they made it out of there after the siege of A102. There's little doubt in my mind that they were over run, as the place was only about a two hundred meter square with earthen berms, and maybe twenty of them altogether. I suspect it went the route of OP88 about a mile southwest of A102. The spring of 1969 was very tough times in that AO. Treat that picture gently!
gary
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Posted: Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 07:40 AM UTC
Hiya Gary,
It's very humbling to hear these kinds of stories & the things that soldiers go through for their country.
I have about a million books on Vietnam & I'm not sure which book the photo is in. Give me a few days to find it & I'll try to get it across to you. You can rest assured my friend, I will take very good care of it!
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 07:43 AM UTC
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First; "Welcome Home"
Second: what a wonderful garden spot the Hai Van Pass was!
gary[/quote]

Welcome home to you too, Gary!

Hai Van was indeed a garden spot! I used to love sitting out on the veranda, sipping mint juleps and enjoying the view of DaNang and the bay laid out before me. A bunch of us used to say that when the war was over, we'd go back there and build a hotel on top of that mountain....with a tramway down to the goregous white sand beach at the leper colony below us. Of course, the tramway would have to go over the old French minefield next to our position....but the view was spectacular anyway!

Ahhhh...those were the days!

Semper Fi,
Dave
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Posted: Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 07:44 AM UTC
Dave,
Thanks for the link. Superb photos my friend!
I'll have a good study of these later.
I see that "Satans 'Lil Angel" is in there - all shot up! I've bought this truck from Real Model but I'm still waiting for it to arrive!
Thanks again Dave.
Joe.