Hi Miloslav,
I'm glad you've joined the thread. I'm looking forward to receiving my goods & I've heard good stuff about your kits. I really want them to be good!
I'm looking to purchase the M52 6x6 Tractor & semi trailer in the future so watch this space.
I've sent you an email so please read this when you get the chance.
Any idea how long parcels take between the Czech Republic & the UK?
Thanks Miloslav.
Talk soon.
Joe.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 07:37 PM UTC
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Hi Miloslav,
I'm glad you've joined the thread. I'm looking forward to receiving my goods & I've heard good stuff about your kits. I really want them to be good!
I'm looking to purchase the M52 6x6 Tractor & semi trailer in the future so watch this space.
I've sent you an email so please read this when you get the chance.
Any idea how long parcels take between the Czech Republic & the UK?
Thanks Miloslav.
Talk soon.
Joe.
HIi Joe,
Please contact your post office because normal time is 2-4 day. Registered letter isn't on Track&Trace.
I don't understad this because I send the same day to United Kingdom another parcels and this is ready.
Miloslav
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Posted: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 07:51 PM UTC
Hi Miloslav,
Oh dear! I hope it isn't lost in the post!
Joe.
Oh dear! I hope it isn't lost in the post!
Joe.
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Dave-landed at Chu Lai with 1-7 in 65. Was there till Jan 1.1966 Was then sent up to Danang to 1-3 where I finished out my tour. Like I said those were the days. Steel helmets,really heavy flak jackets,crappy boots, c rats. Ended up an E-4 and a m-60 squad leader. Got extended and ended up in an air wing at El Toro.Four year Grunt then the air wing.Talk about culture shock.They didn't even blouse their trousers. Later. Ted Nichols
Ted -
I always wondered who started that old war......now I know!!! You 1/7 guys were just tired of floatin around with the squids so you decided to land and start shootin everything in sight!! Did you do Operation Starlight? (I forgbet the units involved.)
I went through artillery school at Ft. Sill and then Vietnames language for a year in Monterey, CA (probably saved my life), so I didn't get in country until October, 1969 as a 1st Lt. I was on Hill 10 with W/1/11 and then at Hai Van Pass with the same battery. Then some rocket surgeon found out I spoke Vietnamese, so they put me in Hq Btry of 1/11 where I did Intel and Civil Affairs in between trips to the bush with either the RF's (at Hai Van) or with the ARVN Rangers (Que Son Mountains and the high lands west of An Hoa near the Laotian border).
I was fortunate in that most of the loud noises I heard were friendly and I returned with my head and a$$ wired together. Back in the world, I was sent to Marine Barracks Brooklyn, NY, which was close to a second combat tour.
Ahhh...those were the days. Beef and balls, fruit cocktail, ham and muthas.....having the runs from taking the malaria pills. Nothing like having the runs and having to sit over the diesel cans in the four holers. I think my butt was blistered for the whole year. (I still have the runs too.....they never stopped....it was the gift that kept giving. )
I digress...
Semper Fi,
Dave
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Hi Ted,
Were the boots really that crap?
I see you were in Vietnam during the early days so which boots did you have?
Did you have the all leather version or the jungle boots?
Were the jungle boots considered crap by the troops?
Joe.
Joe -
I ended up wearing my leather boots and stateside utility uniforms for a while when I first got in Vietnam. The leather boots were hot and if they got wet, they stayed wet. The jungle boots were a definite improvement, although they could be pretty uncomfortable after your socks rotted away. They had some kind of a mesh footpad in them that took some getting used to after the socks were gone.
The cotton stateside utilities were really hot and never seemed to dry out. I was very grateful when I was able to get a couple of sets of jungle utilities (work uniform). I am sure Ted can comment much more accuratelythan I about the early uniforms.
Semper Fi,
Dave
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But do have any idea what those large green flat things are that are laying down on the bed of the trailer in the colour photo?
Joe -
I am not sure, but that load looks like the components of a walk-in refrigerator or freezer. The green flat things would be the sides and top of the refer. The boxes would contain the compressor, fittings, shelving, etc.
Like I said, I am not certain that is what the load contains....but it looks like it to me.
Dave
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Dave-landed at Chu Lai with 1-7 in 65. Was there till Jan 1.1966 Was then sent up to Danang to 1-3 where I finished out my tour. Like I said those were the days. Steel helmets,really heavy flak jackets,crappy boots, c rats. Ended up an E-4 and a m-60 squad leader. Got extended and ended up in an air wing at El Toro.Four year Grunt then the air wing.Talk about culture shock.They didn't even blouse their trousers. Later. Ted Nichols
I hit Chu Lai on a misty morning around the 10th of December 1967. I still remember the flight out of Cam Rhon Bay like it was this morning. Had never flown in C130, and all the noise scared me to death. My batallion was up on Cherry Hill (near the rock quarry), and the first night I was there this E8 gave us this speech about how safe Cherry Hill was. The next night Charlie Battery 1/14 walked 105 rounds right thru the place, and never hit anybody! Three days later I was on Hard Rock five niner (the higher point of Gator)
gary
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Posted: Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 05:39 PM UTC
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Quoted TextDave-landed at Chu Lai with 1-7 in 65. Was there till Jan 1.1966 Was then sent up to Danang to 1-3 where I finished out my tour. Like I said those were the days. Steel helmets,really heavy flak jackets,crappy boots, c rats. Ended up an E-4 and a m-60 squad leader. Got extended and ended up in an air wing at El Toro.Four year Grunt then the air wing.Talk about culture shock.They didn't even blouse their trousers. Later. Ted Nichols
Ted -
I always wondered who started that old war......now I know!!! You 1/7 guys were just tired of floatin around with the squids so you decided to land and start shootin everything in sight!! Did you do Operation Starlight? (I forgbet the units involved.)
I went through artillery school at Ft. Sill and then Vietnames language for a year in Monterey, CA (probably saved my life), so I didn't get in country until October, 1969 as a 1st Lt. I was on Hill 10 with W/1/11 and then at Hai Van Pass with the same battery. Then some rocket surgeon found out I spoke Vietnamese, so they put me in Hq Btry of 1/11 where I did Intel and Civil Affairs in between trips to the bush with either the RF's (at Hai Van) or with the ARVN Rangers (Que Son Mountains and the high lands west of An Hoa near the Laotian border).
I was fortunate in that most of the loud noises I heard were friendly and I returned with my head and a$$ wired together. Back in the world, I was sent to Marine Barracks Brooklyn, NY, which was close to a second combat tour.
Ahhh...those were the days. Beef and balls, fruit cocktail, ham and muthas.....having the runs from taking the malaria pills. Nothing like having the runs and having to sit over the diesel cans in the four holers. I think my butt was blistered for the whole year. (I still have the runs too.....they never stopped....it was the gift that kept giving. )
I digress...
Semper Fi,
Dave
Ah! The good old Que Son Valley! Was there really anything down there worth one rifle bullet? The only place I've ever seen more bomb craters was in WWI no man's Land photos! I remember one little concrete foot bridge and a knocked out 48 setting in there, and nothing else much. Was the first man on the ground at Lurch (Top put his size 14 boot in the middle of my backside). Think that's the hill that Randy jumped onto (covered with elephant grass, and fell into a 1000lb. bomb crater that had a skeleton in it (about a 10ft drop). We could hear him screaming his head off, and couldn't find him. Teased him about it for the next six months, but he didn't think it was so funny!
gary
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Posted: Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 08:26 PM UTC
Dave,
I'm a bit of a militaria enthusiast aswell as a modeller. I've got a pair of both the leather DMS boots with the chevron sole (a later issue than the ones you're talking about, I think) & the jungle boots with the Vibram sole (the issue before the panama sole). I know what you mean about the mesh insole!
I've also found that whilst the jungle boots have an intricate grip design on the sole they dont grip very well. I've slipped quite a few times on wet ground!
I think it's something to do with the rubber compound that they're made of.
I did the shower trick with the leather boots. You know, stand in the shower & wash whilst wearing the boots & then keep them on until they're dry.
The most comfortable damn pair of boots I've ever worn. You know, you Americans have got way better issue boots than us Brits! The British boot leather was as hard as hell & took an age to wear in!
Anyway, talk soon.
Joe.
I'm a bit of a militaria enthusiast aswell as a modeller. I've got a pair of both the leather DMS boots with the chevron sole (a later issue than the ones you're talking about, I think) & the jungle boots with the Vibram sole (the issue before the panama sole). I know what you mean about the mesh insole!
I've also found that whilst the jungle boots have an intricate grip design on the sole they dont grip very well. I've slipped quite a few times on wet ground!
I think it's something to do with the rubber compound that they're made of.
I did the shower trick with the leather boots. You know, stand in the shower & wash whilst wearing the boots & then keep them on until they're dry.
The most comfortable damn pair of boots I've ever worn. You know, you Americans have got way better issue boots than us Brits! The British boot leather was as hard as hell & took an age to wear in!
Anyway, talk soon.
Joe.
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Posted: Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 08:29 PM UTC
Oh, & BTW, Dave,
Thanks for putting me straight on the semi trailer load in the above pictures.
Looks like I'll be scratch building those!
Joe.
Thanks for putting me straight on the semi trailer load in the above pictures.
Looks like I'll be scratch building those!
Joe.
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Posted: Thursday, March 18, 2010 - 10:01 PM UTC
Joe
If you're looking for something more unusual, what about a 5-ton cargo truck towing a M127 trailer with a dolly ?
Frenchy
If you're looking for something more unusual, what about a 5-ton cargo truck towing a M127 trailer with a dolly ?
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 12:07 AM UTC
Hi Frenchy,
Now thanks for these. That IS an interesting subject!
What were the connex containers used for? I heard that these were sometimes used as bunkers.
Thanks again, Frenchy, for supplying some very original photographs.
Joe.
Now thanks for these. That IS an interesting subject!
What were the connex containers used for? I heard that these were sometimes used as bunkers.
Thanks again, Frenchy, for supplying some very original photographs.
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 01:38 AM UTC
Joe
I've read on globalsecurity.org that "Containers became the backbone of logistics support for Vietnam, and nearly every major Army unit moving into the theater carried their spare parts and supplies in containers. Many containers never made it back from the theater, instead being employed for other uses, such as command posts, dispensaries, portable stores, bunkers, and so forth. The containers provided millions of square feet of covered storage that the theater lacked."
Here's one used at an Aid station :
HTH
Frenchy
I've read on globalsecurity.org that "Containers became the backbone of logistics support for Vietnam, and nearly every major Army unit moving into the theater carried their spare parts and supplies in containers. Many containers never made it back from the theater, instead being employed for other uses, such as command posts, dispensaries, portable stores, bunkers, and so forth. The containers provided millions of square feet of covered storage that the theater lacked."
Here's one used at an Aid station :
HTH
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 01:54 AM UTC
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Joe
If you're looking for something more unusual, what about a 5-ton cargo truck towing a M127 trailer with a dolly ?
Its most likely either the M197 or M198 trailer converter dolly. Can't tell from the picture. The easiest way to identify between the two is the wheel hubs. I'm going to guess its the M198, since its rated heavier than the M197 (8 tons versus 6 tons).
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 02:05 AM UTC
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Containers became the backbone of logistics support for Vietnam, and nearly every major Army unit moving into the theater carried their spare parts and supplies in containers. Many containers never made it back from the theater, instead being employed for other uses, such as command posts, dispensaries, portable stores, bunkers, and so forth. The containers provided millions of square feet of covered storage that the theater lacked."
They are still used for the same reasons today.
Accurate Armour makes a resin connex.
Esci made one in 1/32 a long time ago. It has long been out of production, but comes up on eBay from time to time. I picked one up with a Volvo truck and the transport trailer for it. I just happen to be building it now to pair with an M932 5-ton tractor.
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 02:07 AM UTC
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Quoted TextJoe
If you're looking for something more unusual, what about a 5-ton cargo truck towing a M127 trailer with a dolly ?
Its most likely either the M197 or M198 trailer converter dolly. Can't tell from the picture. The easiest way to identify between the two is the wheel hubs. I'm going to guess its the M198, since its rated heavier than the M197 (8 tons versus 6 tons).
The M198 has also bigger tires (11.00 x 20 vs 9.00 x 20 ), same as those fitted to the 5-ton trucks.
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 02:11 AM UTC
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The M198 has also bigger tires (11.00 x 20 vs 9.00 x 20 ), same as those fitted to the 5-ton trucks.
Frenchy
I'll make sure to add that in my notes. I do not remember it being mentioned in the TM from which I gathered the info on the dollies (I believe it was the TM on the M127 series of trailers).
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 02:25 AM UTC
You know, we've been waiting how many years for an M37 to come out? And I love seeing that CONEX box on the 5t. we had 2 M-151s , either and M37 or M715( there's a good one that'll never see the mold makers) and a pair of deuce and a halves, one generally being as shop vamn. OD, w/red fenders .
Some years back i did a Tamiya 151 with my bumper numbers .red .50 cal cans, marmite can(with beer) and, of course ,red fenders. I had some expert tell me the U.S. Army would NEVER have allowed red fenders on anything . Right .
By the way, there is a shop vn box out there for the AFV club 21/2 , it's the box, totally closed and a floor board. Yeah,and thick. I really was looking forward to tricking it out ,
Anyway, be nice to see the old DML mule make a come back, and all of our trucks from our misspent youth.
EOD=Every One Drinks
Some years back i did a Tamiya 151 with my bumper numbers .red .50 cal cans, marmite can(with beer) and, of course ,red fenders. I had some expert tell me the U.S. Army would NEVER have allowed red fenders on anything . Right .
By the way, there is a shop vn box out there for the AFV club 21/2 , it's the box, totally closed and a floor board. Yeah,and thick. I really was looking forward to tricking it out ,
Anyway, be nice to see the old DML mule make a come back, and all of our trucks from our misspent youth.
EOD=Every One Drinks
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 02:38 AM UTC
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M715( there's a good one that'll never see the mold makers)
Not in plastic, but...
D-Toys has the ROK version (same as US M715) in resin, available at Lucky Model.
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 02:58 AM UTC
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I'll make sure to add that in my notes. I do not remember it being mentioned in the TM from which I gathered the info on the dollies (I believe it was the TM on the M127 series of trailers).
Here's the TM where I've found the info. All the differences between the M197 and the M198 are listed :
http://www.tpub.com/content/operatormanuals/TM-9-2330-203-14-P/
HTH
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 03:19 AM UTC
Here are pics of the combo for the dollies that we used for a short time in Nam.
http://gallery.kitmaker.net/showgallery.php?cat=12964
We got the dollies from the Navy. They were a heck of a combo to pull with the M-54. We did not have any brakes on the dolly or the trailer. On flat ground or up hill wasn't too bad. But coming down the pass was a real pain in the @#$ if you know what I mean.
http://gallery.kitmaker.net/showgallery.php?cat=12964
We got the dollies from the Navy. They were a heck of a combo to pull with the M-54. We did not have any brakes on the dolly or the trailer. On flat ground or up hill wasn't too bad. But coming down the pass was a real pain in the @#$ if you know what I mean.
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 03:44 AM UTC
Very nice scratchbuilding job Dave (as usual ) I've found some veterans feedbacks about dollies in Vietnam here :
http://grambo.us/atav/dolly.htm
Frenchy
http://grambo.us/atav/dolly.htm
Frenchy
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 06:34 AM UTC
Hi fellas,
Thanks for providing a wealth of information here. Brilliant!
Dave, I love the model! Would it possible if you could PM me with the info on how you built the dolly, please?
This is such an interesting subject, with loads of different possibilties that I'd love to build one!
Gino, thanks for providing the link for the M715. Another pricey kit! Looks like I'll need to work harder for longer...again!
Frenchy, as usual, you are a mine of information. Thanks friend!
Joe.
Thanks for providing a wealth of information here. Brilliant!
Dave, I love the model! Would it possible if you could PM me with the info on how you built the dolly, please?
This is such an interesting subject, with loads of different possibilties that I'd love to build one!
Gino, thanks for providing the link for the M715. Another pricey kit! Looks like I'll need to work harder for longer...again!
Frenchy, as usual, you are a mine of information. Thanks friend!
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, March 19, 2010 - 09:48 PM UTC
Hi fellas,
I just thought I'd let you all know that my Real Model order has finally arrived this morning! Hurray! I am a very happy bunny today!
Harald, I have to say that the resin kits are really very good. There doesn't appear to be any problems like the ones you encountered. I think that the standards have improved since you purchased yours. While the kit may be more difficult than usual to build I am very much looking forward to the challenge of it.
The Real Model truck kits I have purchased are the M54 Cargo Truck which is a complete kit & the M54 "Satans 'Li Angel" Guntruck conversion kit for the Italeri M935 5ton truck.
Any information or photos on the M54 series trucks as used in Vietnam would be most helpful right now.
What colour were the guntrucks painted? I heard somewhere that they were painted black. Can this be right?
Mabye in the near future I'll do a review of these kits or perhaps a build log.
I look forward to hearing from you guys soon.
From a smiling happy bunny.
Joe.
I just thought I'd let you all know that my Real Model order has finally arrived this morning! Hurray! I am a very happy bunny today!
Harald, I have to say that the resin kits are really very good. There doesn't appear to be any problems like the ones you encountered. I think that the standards have improved since you purchased yours. While the kit may be more difficult than usual to build I am very much looking forward to the challenge of it.
The Real Model truck kits I have purchased are the M54 Cargo Truck which is a complete kit & the M54 "Satans 'Li Angel" Guntruck conversion kit for the Italeri M935 5ton truck.
Any information or photos on the M54 series trucks as used in Vietnam would be most helpful right now.
What colour were the guntrucks painted? I heard somewhere that they were painted black. Can this be right?
Mabye in the near future I'll do a review of these kits or perhaps a build log.
I look forward to hearing from you guys soon.
From a smiling happy bunny.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 01:10 AM UTC
Hi Joe , Hi mates , I gotta say what a wealth of information has come forward in this thread .
Thank you to all contributors , Joes threads on Vietnam just keep on gleening information that is valuable to all modellers of the Vietnam war .
Please Veterans give us more insights into your tour .
Thank you to all contributors , Joes threads on Vietnam just keep on gleening information that is valuable to all modellers of the Vietnam war .
Please Veterans give us more insights into your tour .