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Posted: Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 09:32 AM UTC

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First; "Welcome Home"
Second: what a wonderful garden spot the Hai Van Pass was!
gary[/quote]

Welcome home to you too, Gary!

Hai Van was indeed a garden spot! I used to love sitting out on the veranda, sipping mint juleps and enjoying the view of DaNang and the bay laid out before me. A bunch of us used to say that when the war was over, we'd go back there and build a hotel on top of that mountain....with a tramway down to the goregous white sand beach at the leper colony below us. Of course, the tramway would have to go over the old French minefield next to our position....but the view was spectacular anyway!

Ahhhh...those were the days!

Semper Fi,
Dave[/quote]

I remember the first time I took the excursion from Tam Key to Thien Phouc just like it was last week. Beautiful sunny day at the end of June. Much nicer than when lifted out of the Que Son Valley a few days prior. Everything was lush and green. Even the rice paddies looked calm. Our column started out with two M48's and three ACAV's (we were armed for bear!). We get about four hundred yards past the old French prision, when these guys from the 6th/11th flag us down. The squad leader asked just where we thought we going to. He said we were flat NUTS! I had a bad feeling as I found out that nobody had been down that road in two years, and several had tried. Nice and strait gravel road with no close cover for an ambush. After about twelve or fifteen miles we come upon a bunch of blown up buildings and a lone LZ out in the middle of nowhere. This place looks like the end of the world! I never saw so much razor wire in one small spot in my life to this very day. They must have had two hundred claymores set out all around that place in layers. My stomach growled as I got a real bad feeling. Two officers walk out and greeted us. Asked where we were headed, and promptly said "you guys are outta your minds!" Everybody test fire their weapons on the old buildings to make sure all is well. We start to head out, when we heard a couple explosions out in front of us.
One of the 48's and two of the ACAVs take off up the road as fast as they can go, and then come back to say they've blown a bridge about four hundred yards up there. The LZ has a company of engineers posted there, and they install a makeshift bridge while we waited. Two hours later we're moving again. All of a sudden the road starts twisting left and right with the jungle right up to the edge. Now it's ugly! As in extremely ugly. Spider holes all over the place. Lead 48 shoots a can round at somebody and we wait again. I say to myself that this place is so damned ugly. We're moving again. middle 48 finds a place to pull off the road while we all pass. Takes up the rear and now I really got a bad feeling about this road. We all off load and walk the rest of the way as it seems smarter than being blown off a track on a sunny afternoon. There is an occassional burst of 50 cal up front, but you can't see a thing and it's starting to get dark with all the shadows moving around. Finally we hit the gravel air strip out an 102, and it's all gravey from there. An SF team crosses the runway in front of us, and they look pretty beat up. Gave them all a ride the rest of the way.
How can a place be so pretty and yet turn out to be so ugly? It'll be July first at midnight, and half of my tour is gone. Rains almost solid for the next two days, but it home
gary
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Posted: Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 07:04 PM UTC
Wow Gary,
Now that's some story! I bet there were a few puckered wotsits that day, eh?
You guys must have been NUTS! I would have been scared witless!
I'm always in awe of combat troops & their stories!
All the best to you & good luck.
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Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 - 07:15 AM UTC

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Wow Gary,
Now that's some story! I bet there were a few puckered wotsits that day, eh?
You guys must have been NUTS! I would have been scared witless!
I'm always in awe of combat troops & their stories!
All the best to you & good luck.
Joe.



I was a little un-nerved, but after another eight weeks it became a matter of fact. I actually grew to loath anything east of me as I was never in controll of my destiny. The real pucker facter came when you were part of the "incrowd" that got to visit anything close to the Ashau Valley. I never made into that place but found my self on the south edge at least once or twice. Kam Duc was another jewel. I got stranded there for about a week a month or so before it shut down. The place was about the size of two soccer fields and averaged over 300 mortar rounds a day, plus some rockets to break up the monotomy. I was ready for Prozac when I finally found a way outta that place (the neighbors just didn't have a good sense of humor)!! Everything you did was in the dark (and I mean everything). They shot a depthcon around the place 24/7, and it was the first "arc light mission" I ever saw (right in front of us). Those folks up there just had a bad attitude all the time
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Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 - 07:49 AM UTC
Now I bet that Arc Light mission was an awe inspiring sight!
Did it make your teeth rattle?
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Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 - 05:02 PM UTC

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Now I bet that Arc Light mission was an awe inspiring sight!
Did it make your teeth rattle?
Joe.



the one thing I remember most was that you didn't really hear an explosion! But it felt like you were going thru and earthquake. Bunkers shook themselve to pieces. There was so much grey smoke and dust in the air that you just couldn't make out anything for about a mile long strip! I didn't like it, and I was two miles out from it!
I never did see the B52's. You cannot imagine the carnage from an arc light mission till you walk thru there an hour or two later. First thing you notice is that it's still hard to breath in there, and it completely silent. You will not find any KIA or WIA, and maybe a small part of a truck here and there. Tigers don't eat well after one of those raids as there's nothing left. Totally unlike a fire mission from a battleship, and very creepy
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Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 - 05:19 PM UTC
You guys were talking about the Hai Van Pass and I was in that area also. I was with C-1-3 and we had a perimeter around the Esso plant at the bottom of the pass.Also provided security at Namo Bridge and Kin Lin village and patroled the hills and paddies in that area. Saw a lot of convoys moving north towards Hue and Phu Bai. Never got that far north. The good old days of never ending humping carrying an M-60 or an M-14. Semper Fi. Ted Nichols
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Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 - 06:59 PM UTC
Thanks Gary & Ted for your memories.
So what sort of convoys went North? What vehicles were in the convoys & how many vehicles on average?
Were there fuel tankers, gun trucks, tanks, APC's. jeeps. etc, etc?
It's just that I'd quite like to model a convoy so any info would be of great assistance.
Thanks guys.
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 - 08:23 PM UTC
Hi Joe,

Saw that threat too late to worn you. My experience with real model kits isn't good. May be that they enhenced their quality but look at what i got:



Here you can find more pics of the M54 Conversion:

http://gallery.kitmaker.net/showgallery.php/cat/17623

Happy modelling
Harald
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Posted: Monday, March 15, 2010 - 10:44 PM UTC
Oh dear, Harald.
That is NOT good, is it?
My stuff is taking an exceptionally long time to get here. It seems a very erratic customer service.
I can only guess at the quality of the kits at the moment. As soon as my stuff arrives you can be sure that I'll let you know about the quality of them!
How long ago did you get your kits? And they are not cheap, either!
Thanks for joining the thread & sharing your info.
Talk soon.
Joe.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 04:00 AM UTC

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You guys were talking about the Hai Van Pass and I was in that area also. I was with C-1-3 and we had a perimeter around the Esso plant at the bottom of the pass.Also provided security at Namo Bridge and Kin Lin village and patroled the hills and paddies in that area. Saw a lot of convoys moving north towards Hue and Phu Bai. Never got that far north. The good old days of never ending humping carrying an M-60 or an M-14. Semper Fi. Ted Nichols



Ted -

You must have been there in the '65-'66 time frame...before 3rd MarDiv moved North to the DMZ. I was there in '69-'70 with W/1/11 - 1st Mar Div. We had three four-deuce mortars on top of Hai Van Pass. The convoys would check in with us when they got to the Esso plant and we would follow them up the pass and back down the north side. If they got hit, we could get rounds on the ambush site pretty quickly. Same deal when the convoys were coming south from Hue. As I recall, they would check in when they got to a place called "Los Banos" on the north side of the pass.

Gary -

I remember the arc-light strikes well. I was FO/Advisor for an ARVN Ranger battalion for a while out on the Laotian border west of DaNang. We followed arc light strikes west from ridge line to ridge line for what seemed like a month or so....but I am sure it wasn't that long. What I remember most is getting the call on the radio that the planes were inbound. You couldn't see or hear anything then all of a sudden the world just lit up. You sensed the light first...then the earth just shook and rolled....then the sound. It was like a time-on-target (TOT) mission on steroids! The next day, we would move forward and sweep the area. Like you said, we usually never found much except the occasional random body part laying around.

Sometimes it was a real challenge to find enough trees left over to hang our hammocks from the next night. The Rangers used to like to augment our rations with nuts and plants they would gather form the jungle (as well as the occasional monkey). The arc lights made all that scrounging pretty difficult. Ranger rations were generally minute rice and canned tuna. That got old fast without the goodies form the jungle.

Man....I miss it!

Semper Fi,
Dave
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Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 04:17 AM UTC

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Thanks Gary & Ted for your memories.
So what sort of convoys went North? What vehicles were in the convoys & how many vehicles on average?
Were there fuel tankers, gun trucks, tanks, APC's. jeeps. etc, etc?
It's just that I'd quite like to model a convoy so any info would be of great assistance.
Thanks guys.
Joe.



Joe -

The convoys varied. Sometimes a unit would be moving through the pass, in which case it would be the unit's organic motor transport, such as M-151's, M-37's and M-35's or M-54's. The trucks would usually tow trailers, water bulls (drinking water tanks), generators or artillery pieces depending upon the type of unit.

Other convoys would be resupply runs. In those cases, the convoys would be a more classic configuration......convoy commander leading in an M-110 radio vehicle (M-151 with two radios mounted in the back) followed by a long string of M-35 (2/12 ton) and/or M-54 (5 ton) trucks and many semi's. The semi's were generally flatbed trailers or tanker trailers towed by 10 ton tactical tractors. (I forget the numbers).

The Marine convoys would often have an M-35 truck or an M-37 with some grunts in them for security. The Army convoys were always a bit beefier. I remember one Army motor transport unit had a gun truck named "Lainey". It was an M-54 5 ton truck with the hull of an M-113 APC loaded on the back. No tracks and likely no power-pack. As I recall, it carried it's 50 cal. plus several M-60's. I don't recall that unit ever being ambushed in the pass.

Marine convoys often included a 2 1/2 ton tanker truck. (I htink this was the M-49 tanker truck for which there is a model.) I think the Army units used modular fuel tanks and pumps mounted on M-54's. Every convoy included at least one wrecker. Often these would be towing a broken-down truck up the pass.

My memories are tapped out for now. I may have some convoy slides somewhere around here. If I can find them and get them scanned, I'll post them.

Semper Fi,
Dave
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Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 04:46 AM UTC
Hi Dave,
Thanks for the great info. Very enlightening!
With regards to the fuel trailer: Real Model does an M969 Fuel Trailer. Would this be the right trailer for Vietnam or does the M969 come from a later era? And would it / could it be pulled by an M52 6x6 tractor?
As to the convoy pics, Dave. I'd love to see 'em. If you can find them email or PM me.
All the very best to you. Nice to hear from you again.
Joe.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 05:29 AM UTC
Just a few Vietnam convoy pics :
POL convoy at Pleiku (M49 & M49A2C fuel servicing trucks) :





Viet Nam

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Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 06:55 AM UTC
Oh great photos Frenchy!
Were the sides of the semi trailers always "built up" like the ones here?
I used to drive trucks a few years back & I've often done it myself. But every photo I've seen from Vietnam the semi's always appear to have the "sides" on.
Just curious.
Thanks mate...again!
Joe.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 07:50 AM UTC

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Were the sides of the semi trailers always "built up" like the ones here?
I used to drive trucks a few years back & I've often done it myself. But every photo I've seen from Vietnam the semi's always appear to have the "sides" on



M127 trailers can be seen in both configurations :



Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 10:43 AM UTC
Frenchy,
Great pictures yet again! I've got some great ideas in my head over here.
GC Laser do some real wooden crates that would look great strapped down on the back of the trailer.
I'm guessing these things would have carried anything & everything, right? But do have any idea what those large green flat things are that are laying down on the bed of the trailer in the colour photo?
Thanks again.
Joe.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 01:51 PM UTC

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You guys were talking about the Hai Van Pass and I was in that area also. I was with C-1-3 and we had a perimeter around the Esso plant at the bottom of the pass.Also provided security at Namo Bridge and Kin Lin village and patroled the hills and paddies in that area. Saw a lot of convoys moving north towards Hue and Phu Bai. Never got that far north. The good old days of never ending humping carrying an M-60 or an M-14. Semper Fi. Ted Nichols



I remember seeing that plant from the air a couple times, but never got real close to it. My AO was the Que Son Valley, and points to the south of it. So we really had no business over there. I was the M60 gunner in my squad for about four months, give or take a couple weeks. I'm convinced that they seek out te smallest guy they can find to give the hog to!
Used to have a great relationship with a Marine Gunney Sargent back in Da Nang. Remember he chewed tabacco, and you always saw a golf ball sized wad bulging out his cheeks. Used to trade NVA pistol belts and pith helmets for combat items we had trouble getting. Gave him two brand new SKS's, and had a friend for life. When I went to see him we always met in a beer joint, and I could feel the eyes looking at me. Learned to do the shuffle with some of those folks, and the old man thought it was funny (I didn't). It turned violent more than once, and he had to break it up. Said I should have been a Marine more than once, but the otherguys there din't think that way. Hope all of them got home in one piece; as those could be hard times just two or three klicks out past the wire.
gary
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Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 02:02 PM UTC

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Thanks Gary & Ted for your memories.
So what sort of convoys went North? What vehicles were in the convoys & how many vehicles on average?
Were there fuel tankers, gun trucks, tanks, APC's. jeeps. etc, etc?
It's just that I'd quite like to model a convoy so any info would be of great assistance.
Thanks guys.
Joe.



Joe -

The convoys varied. Sometimes a unit would be moving through the pass, in which case it would be the unit's organic motor transport, such as M-151's, M-37's and M-35's or M-54's. The trucks would usually tow trailers, water bulls (drinking water tanks), generators or artillery pieces depending upon the type of unit.

Other convoys would be resupply runs. In those cases, the convoys would be a more classic configuration......convoy commander leading in an M-110 radio vehicle (M-151 with two radios mounted in the back) followed by a long string of M-35 (2/12 ton) and/or M-54 (5 ton) trucks and many semi's. The semi's were generally flatbed trailers or tanker trailers towed by 10 ton tactical tractors. (I forget the numbers).

The Marine convoys would often have an M-35 truck or an M-37 with some grunts in them for security. The Army convoys were always a bit beefier. I remember one Army motor transport unit had a gun truck named "Lainey". It was an M-54 5 ton truck with the hull of an M-113 APC loaded on the back. No tracks and likely no power-pack. As I recall, it carried it's 50 cal. plus several M-60's. I don't recall that unit ever being ambushed in the pass.

Marine convoys often included a 2 1/2 ton tanker truck. (I htink this was the M-49 tanker truck for which there is a model.) I think the Army units used modular fuel tanks and pumps mounted on M-54's. Every convoy included at least one wrecker. Often these would be towing a broken-down truck up the pass.

My memories are tapped out for now. I may have some convoy slides somewhere around here. If I can find them and get them scanned, I'll post them.

Semper Fi,
Dave



I was in the middle of a convoy once that was made up of Army and Marines down near Hill 54 right off Highway One. There was a tanker truck with them and it either hit a mine or caught an RPG. This was about nine at night (what idiot would have a convoy out that late?) The truck must have been empty cause the fire was out in five minutes. Still was CBL'd, and I lost a couple more of my nine lives! Ever get down to Chu Lai?
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Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 09:02 PM UTC
Joe
If you're looking for more Vietnam convoys or guntrucks pics and stories, you'll find quite a lot here :
http://grambo.us/atav/default.html

HTH

Frenchy
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Posted: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 10:47 PM UTC
Frenchy,
That site you sent through is a jewel!
Now I'm going to spend the rest of the day checking it out & wont get a thing done!
Thanks again my friend. Where would I be without you?
Have a great day!
Joe.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 09:13 AM UTC

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Oh dear, Harald.
That is NOT good, is it?
My stuff is taking an exceptionally long time to get here. It seems a very erratic customer service.
I can only guess at the quality of the kits at the moment. As soon as my stuff arrives you can be sure that I'll let you know about the quality of them!
How long ago did you get your kits? And they are not cheap, either!
Thanks for joining the thread & sharing your info.
Talk soon.
Joe.



Thats what i heard from others (LHS). That means delivery lasts long, great change of missing or brocken parts, getting replacments often difficult. After the disaster with the M54 conversion I only buy some kits of them after a look in the box.
I don't remember the Date when i purchased the kit. It was soon after its release. But that is some years ago. I x my fingers that your order will be allright.

Happy modelling
Harald
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Posted: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 09:23 AM UTC
Hi Harald,
My order was shipped on Wednesday of last week, apparently, but it still has not arrived. I've had stuff from the States that has got here quicker!
I've got the M54 Cargo Truck, Satans 'Lil Angel + various other bits & pieces coming. I hope & pray that the kits are good!
When they finally get here I'll let you know about the quality.
All the best to you.
Joe.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 09:49 AM UTC

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Hi Joe,

Saw that threat too late to worn you. My experience with real model kits isn't good. May be that they enhenced their quality but look at what i got:



Here you can find more pics of the M54 Conversion:

http://gallery.kitmaker.net/showgallery.php/cat/17623

Happy modelling
Harald



You present parts which is 5 year without product.
Joe here is review my Gun Trucks from very good modelers.

http://www.realmodel.cz/zen/index.php?main_page=product_reviews_info&products_id=3707&reviews_id=4
http://www.amps-armor.org/ampssite/reviews/showReview.aspx?ID=604&Type=FB

For my Gun Truck WIP look here.
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Posted: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 05:37 PM UTC
Dave-landed at Chu Lai with 1-7 in 65. Was there till Jan 1.1966 Was then sent up to Danang to 1-3 where I finished out my tour. Like I said those were the days. Steel helmets,really heavy flak jackets,crappy boots, c rats. Ended up an E-4 and a m-60 squad leader. Got extended and ended up in an air wing at El Toro.Four year Grunt then the air wing.Talk about culture shock.They didn't even blouse their trousers. Later. Ted Nichols
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Posted: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 - 07:20 PM UTC
Hi Ted,
Were the boots really that crap?
I see you were in Vietnam during the early days so which boots did you have?
Did you have the all leather version or the jungle boots?
Were the jungle boots considered crap by the troops?
Joe.