Hi,
What was the most common cargo truck used in Vietnam?
Was it the M35 or perhaps the M54?
All help & info on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
Joe.
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Both, although by that time, it was mainly the diesel variants. The M35 series was rated at 2.5 ton, the M54 was 5 ton. Very few M34 are seen (they were dwindling in numbers, as the Army preferred the M35's dual wheels in back and no cut out in the cargo bed). Japanese 2.5 ton trucks (mainly Nissan and Toyota) were procured by MACV for the ARVN forces, and a few of these ended up in US motor pools as well.
Of available 1/35th scale kits, best bet is AFV Club M35A1 (they sell it as a gun truck). Revell Germany has rereleased the Monogram M34, but it's a 50 year old kit with crude details. For an M54 series truck, you'll need a resin conversion for the Italeri M923/925 kits.
Of available 1/35th scale kits, best bet is AFV Club M35A1 (they sell it as a gun truck). Revell Germany has rereleased the Monogram M34, but it's a 50 year old kit with crude details. For an M54 series truck, you'll need a resin conversion for the Italeri M923/925 kits.
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Posted: Friday, February 12, 2010 - 01:57 PM UTC
Hi Gerald,
Thanks for the info.
I have an AFV Club M35A1 gun truck & M35A2 cargo truck. I want to make a cargo truck so what are the major differences between the two?
I've also noticed this evening that Real Models do a very beautiful M54 - but at a very "beautiful" price, too!
Joe.
Thanks for the info.
I have an AFV Club M35A1 gun truck & M35A2 cargo truck. I want to make a cargo truck so what are the major differences between the two?
I've also noticed this evening that Real Models do a very beautiful M54 - but at a very "beautiful" price, too!
Joe.
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Some complements :
For the States :
-M34 andM35 /M35A1 for the half and deuce
M39 familie 5tons trucks
-M51 dump truck
-M52 truck tractor
-M54/M54A1 cargo
-M62 and M543 medium wreckers
-M123 10tons truck tractor with various trailers (M15A2, M172, M162 & M747)
-M561 Gama Goat
-M520 Goer
For the Aussies
-2 1/2 tons International Mk1
-5tons Internationnal Mk5
For the States :
-M34 andM35 /M35A1 for the half and deuce
M39 familie 5tons trucks
-M51 dump truck
-M52 truck tractor
-M54/M54A1 cargo
-M62 and M543 medium wreckers
-M123 10tons truck tractor with various trailers (M15A2, M172, M162 & M747)
-M561 Gama Goat
-M520 Goer
For the Aussies
-2 1/2 tons International Mk1
-5tons Internationnal Mk5
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Thanks, Pascal, for the useful info.
Has anybody built the Real Model M54 Cargo Truck? I'd like to hear your thoughts.
Joe.
Has anybody built the Real Model M54 Cargo Truck? I'd like to hear your thoughts.
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 06:23 AM UTC
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Hi,
What was the most common cargo truck used in Vietnam?
Was it the M35 or perhaps the M54?
All help & info on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
Joe.
by far the 2 1/2 ton truck in several configurations. Arty units usually were the ones with the 5 ton trucks, but still retained several of the others as well. Every truck I ever saw heavier than a 3/4 ton had a winch on it, and all were manual shift gear boxes unlike the ones in the states.
gary
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 06:27 AM UTC
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Both, although by that time, it was mainly the diesel variants. The M35 series was rated at 2.5 ton, the M54 was 5 ton. Very few M34 are seen (they were dwindling in numbers, as the Army preferred the M35's dual wheels in back and no cut out in the cargo bed). Japanese 2.5 ton trucks (mainly Nissan and Toyota) were procured by MACV for the ARVN forces, and a few of these ended up in US motor pools as well.
Of available 1/35th scale kits, best bet is AFV Club M35A1 (they sell it as a gun truck). Revell Germany has rereleased the Monogram M34, but it's a 50 year old kit with crude details. For an M54 series truck, you'll need a resin conversion for the Italeri M923/925 kits.
boy that's a new one on me! I never knew there were any Japanese built trucks in country with the exception of the Toyota and Nissan style mini trucks. I did see a lot of Desoto badged trucks in civilian use over there.
gary
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 07:10 AM UTC
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Japanese 2.5 ton trucks (mainly Nissan and Toyota) were procured by MACV for the ARVN forces, and a few of these ended up in US motor pools as well.
Toyota DW 15L 2.5 ton truck :
Better picture (not an ARVN one) :
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On page 75 of the Squadron book -Armor in Vietnam- is a photo of a Vietnamese Air Force 2-1/2 truck. It is identfied as a M35 in the caption. I believe it is actualy a Toyota. based on photos page 252/253 of -The Obsrver's Military Vehicles Dirctory From 1945- by B. H.Vanderven.
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I probably would've identified those as M35s too, but I can see some differences already looking closer at them. I am pretty sure the ARVN received a number of actual M35s and M54s in the 1970s as part of the last equipment deliveries before the ceasefire agreements though.
Also, that second Toyota picture looks like it might be Cambodian from the script on the side.
Also, that second Toyota picture looks like it might be Cambodian from the script on the side.
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 09:31 AM UTC
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I am pretty sure the ARVN received a number of actual M35s and M54s in the 1970s as part of the last equipment deliveries before the ceasefire agreements though.
14 Apr 1972, Chon Thanh, Vietnam :
from http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?130407-Vietnamese-Military-Thread-(updated-on-regular-basis)/page70" TARGET="_blank">this Militaryphoto.net thread
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Hi Gerald,
Thanks for the info.
I have an AFV Club M35A1 gun truck & M35A2 cargo truck. I want to make a cargo truck so what are the major differences between the two?
I've also noticed this evening that Real Models do a very beautiful M54 - but at a very "beautiful" price, too!
Joe.
I don't have either of the AFV kits - so I cannot speak to the differences between the kits - but I do collect the full size vehicles.
Regarding external details - the M35A1, as well as the very early M35A2 - had a horizontal exhaust system exiting between and above the tandems on the passenger's side of the truck. The later M35A2 trucks had a vertical exhaust stack exiting through the rear of the passenger's side front fender. Two different diameter exhaust stacks were used. Only a handful of the trucks with the vertical stacks were used in Vietnam, and that was very late in the war.
There were three styles of rear view mirrors used on these trucks - the single round head mirror, (the first), "west coast mirrors" rectangular mirrors supported at top and bottom (the last one) - and an almost square mirror that was supported by a heavy bracket from the windshield pivot.
Two styles of maker lights were used - the early round style - and the later "NATO" style - again, the later would have been uncommon in Vietnam.
If the underside of the truck is visible, more things come into play.
Hope this helps,
David Doyle
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 10:06 AM UTC
Hi Joe
Gino sent me the link below from Dave Willets conversion of an M925 into an M54. Looks good!
M54 conversion
https://armorama.kitmaker.net//features/301
All the best
Dus
Gino sent me the link below from Dave Willets conversion of an M925 into an M54. Looks good!
M54 conversion
https://armorama.kitmaker.net//features/301
All the best
Dus
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Posted: Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 12:16 PM UTC
Hi Dus,
Thanks mate. I'll get on to that in a bit. I noticed that realmodel do a few conversion kits for the Italeri M923 Big Foot to convert into M54 gun trucks. Apparently the Italeri kit is the correct base model. The conversions build into specific trucks that were in theatre during the war. They look like awesome bloody things! Was the M54 the Guntruck of choice in Nam? Although they were laden with armour plate & tooled up with a vast array of firepower I still wouldn't want to drive up & down Thunder road for a living! I bet it was a ride & a half!
Thanks also to everybody else who has contributed to this thread. Its really interesting listening to you guys. I shouls have joined armorama ages ago!
Joe.
Thanks mate. I'll get on to that in a bit. I noticed that realmodel do a few conversion kits for the Italeri M923 Big Foot to convert into M54 gun trucks. Apparently the Italeri kit is the correct base model. The conversions build into specific trucks that were in theatre during the war. They look like awesome bloody things! Was the M54 the Guntruck of choice in Nam? Although they were laden with armour plate & tooled up with a vast array of firepower I still wouldn't want to drive up & down Thunder road for a living! I bet it was a ride & a half!
Thanks also to everybody else who has contributed to this thread. Its really interesting listening to you guys. I shouls have joined armorama ages ago!
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 01:00 AM UTC
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Quoted TextBoth, although by that time, it was mainly the diesel variants. The M35 series was rated at 2.5 ton, the M54 was 5 ton. Very few M34 are seen (they were dwindling in numbers, as the Army preferred the M35's dual wheels in back and no cut out in the cargo bed). Japanese 2.5 ton trucks (mainly Nissan and Toyota) were procured by MACV for the ARVN forces, and a few of these ended up in US motor pools as well.
Of available 1/35th scale kits, best bet is AFV Club M35A1 (they sell it as a gun truck). Revell Germany has rereleased the Monogram M34, but it's a 50 year old kit with crude details. For an M54 series truck, you'll need a resin conversion for the Italeri M923/925 kits.
boy that's a new one on me! I never knew there were any Japanese built trucks in country with the exception of the Toyota and Nissan style mini trucks. I did see a lot of Desoto badged trucks in civilian use over there.
gary
Fred Crismon documents the Japanese deuce and a half trucks in his massive photo book, "US Military Wheeled Vehicles." Apparently they were built to a standardized design for the JGSDF, as there doesn't appear to be any visible difference between the various makes. As said, MACV wanted to economize, and they were intended for the ARVN only--any US use was sporadic (and possibly off the books). The Japanese trucks were cheaper to buy and maintain.
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 06:06 AM UTC
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Quoted TextQuoted TextBoth, although by that time, it was mainly the diesel variants. The M35 series was rated at 2.5 ton, the M54 was 5 ton. Very few M34 are seen (they were dwindling in numbers, as the Army preferred the M35's dual wheels in back and no cut out in the cargo bed). Japanese 2.5 ton trucks (mainly Nissan and Toyota) were procured by MACV for the ARVN forces, and a few of these ended up in US motor pools as well.
Of available 1/35th scale kits, best bet is AFV Club M35A1 (they sell it as a gun truck). Revell Germany has rereleased the Monogram M34, but it's a 50 year old kit with crude details. For an M54 series truck, you'll need a resin conversion for the Italeri M923/925 kits.
boy that's a new one on me! I never knew there were any Japanese built trucks in country with the exception of the Toyota and Nissan style mini trucks. I did see a lot of Desoto badged trucks in civilian use over there.
gary
Fred Crismon documents the Japanese deuce and a half trucks in his massive photo book, "US Military Wheeled Vehicles." Apparently they were built to a standardized design for the JGSDF, as there doesn't appear to be any visible difference between the various makes. As said, MACV wanted to economize, and they were intended for the ARVN only--any US use was sporadic (and possibly off the books). The Japanese trucks were cheaper to buy and maintain.
they must have used them down south mostly, as you didn't see Arvn's in trucks very often up north. They pretty much flew everywhere they went
gary
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 10:24 AM UTC
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Hi Dus,
Thanks mate. I'll get on to that in a bit. I noticed that realmodel do a few conversion kits for the Italeri M923 Big Foot to convert into M54 gun trucks. Apparently the Italeri kit is the correct base model. The conversions build into specific trucks that were in theatre during the war. They look like awesome bloody things! Was the M54 the Guntruck of choice in Nam? Although they were laden with armour plate & tooled up with a vast array of firepower I still wouldn't want to drive up & down Thunder road for a living! I bet it was a ride & a half!
Thanks also to everybody else who has contributed to this thread. Its really interesting listening to you guys. I shouls have joined armorama ages ago!
Joe.
Alright Joe, one thing mate, I think it is the Italeri M925 you will need as it is the 10 wheeler, the M923 I seem to remember is a 6 wheeler. Just do a double check before shelling out for a base kit mate.
Yeah, they are very interesting model subjects, I love the way they are tooled up, loads of guns!
Cheers
Dus
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 12:03 PM UTC
Hi Dus,
Thanks for pointing out that little detail to me Dus. I hadn't noticed myself.
According to Real Model website the advertisement for the M54 Gun Truck "Satans Lil' Angel (which I'm thinking of buying) states that the base kit is the Italeri Big Foot. It doesn't tell me whether it is the M923 or M925. When I did a search on ebay for Italeri Big Foot the only kit that came up was the M923. There are no M925's for sale on ebay.
I have emailed Miloslav at Real Model to clear up this question. When I find out I'll post it up here.
If anybody knows the answer to this problem I'd love to hear it.
Joe.
Thanks for pointing out that little detail to me Dus. I hadn't noticed myself.
According to Real Model website the advertisement for the M54 Gun Truck "Satans Lil' Angel (which I'm thinking of buying) states that the base kit is the Italeri Big Foot. It doesn't tell me whether it is the M923 or M925. When I did a search on ebay for Italeri Big Foot the only kit that came up was the M923. There are no M925's for sale on ebay.
I have emailed Miloslav at Real Model to clear up this question. When I find out I'll post it up here.
If anybody knows the answer to this problem I'd love to hear it.
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 12:06 PM UTC
Joe - you can use either Italeri kit as the base for your project. You'll likely be scrapping the kit-supplied wheels anyway. You can get a set from Real Model too.
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 12:14 PM UTC
Hi Jim,
So the Italeri M923 Big Foot #279 will be okay to use?
I know the kit wheels are no good to use for Satans Lil' Angel but do you know whether the Real Model conversion is supplied with wheel?
Thanks, by the way, for the info. Greatly appreciated.
Joe.
So the Italeri M923 Big Foot #279 will be okay to use?
I know the kit wheels are no good to use for Satans Lil' Angel but do you know whether the Real Model conversion is supplied with wheel?
Thanks, by the way, for the info. Greatly appreciated.
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 12:20 PM UTC
Joe - when I first came up with using the Italeri kit for a conversion - it was the "BigFoot" version I used.
I've never seen any of the Real Model conversions, so I can't vouch whether or not the wheels come in the kit. I've purchased them separately in past years. If you search our Review Section here, I think Pawel Krupowicz reviewed a Real Model conversion - it might mention whether or not the wheels were included.
I've never seen any of the Real Model conversions, so I can't vouch whether or not the wheels come in the kit. I've purchased them separately in past years. If you search our Review Section here, I think Pawel Krupowicz reviewed a Real Model conversion - it might mention whether or not the wheels were included.
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 12:30 PM UTC
Thanks Jim,
I'll have a read of that review. In the meantime I'm going to check out your gun truck site!
Joe.
I'll have a read of that review. In the meantime I'm going to check out your gun truck site!
Joe.
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Posted: Monday, February 15, 2010 - 01:04 PM UTC
Hi fellas,
I've just managed to find an Italeri M925 5ton truck #284 on ebay & bought it!
I guess that clears up that little problem, then!
Joe.
I've just managed to find an Italeri M925 5ton truck #284 on ebay & bought it!
I guess that clears up that little problem, then!
Joe.
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hey must have used them down south mostly, as you didn't see Arvn's in trucks very often up north. They pretty much flew everywhere they went
I worked with ARVN artillery batteries (155mm towed), the 21st ARVN Ranger Bn and a company of RF's at Hai Van Pass. The ARVN artillery used M-54's as primer movers and ammo trucks. The Rangers got rides when necessary on ARVN or USMC motor transport assets....usually M-35's. The RF's had some old WWII vintage jeeps as well as a couple fo M-38's. They also had a couple of WWII vintage Dodge "power wagons" that they used as prime movers for their 81mm mortar platoon. As I recall these were 1 ton 6x6 weapons carriers. I think Italieri has a model out of that vehicle.
Semper Fi,
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Posted: Monday, March 01, 2010 - 06:15 AM UTC
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Hi Dus,
Thanks mate. I'll get on to that in a bit. I noticed that realmodel do a few conversion kits for the Italeri M923 Big Foot to convert into M54 gun trucks. Apparently the Italeri kit is the correct base model. The conversions build into specific trucks that were in theatre during the war. They look like awesome bloody things! Was the M54 the Guntruck of choice in Nam? Although they were laden with armour plate & tooled up with a vast array of firepower I still wouldn't want to drive up & down Thunder road for a living! I bet it was a ride & a half!
Thanks also to everybody else who has contributed to this thread. Its really interesting listening to you guys. I shouls have joined armorama ages ago!
Joe.
as funny as it may sound, I never knew a gun truck existed till I got home. There was at least one up near Hue during the 1968 TET Offensive, and I should have seen it. They did actually start mounting quad fifties on trucks later, but nobody ever knew them as a gun truck. We got one in early 1969, and later removed the quad fifty to a static mount (truck lasted about four days in combat). Trucks were pretty much limited to somekind of a road, and from that idea I'd have to say they were kept in the rear areas for security. Line units did the samething with beehive rounds from 105's and Sheridans
gary