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Most common truck in the 'Nam?
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Posted: Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 02:42 AM UTC
Hi Brian,
How are you, mate? I was going to email you today to see how you were!
How's your Humvee coming along?
Thanks for the vote of confidence about my threads. I have to agree with, too, that it's the vets who really make these threads, isn't it? They really add a touch of intimate knowledge that you just wouldn't find anywhere else; even in books! They give you a real feel of how the vehicles & equipment that we model really work; what it was like using the hardware & what life was like in a warzone. We can take this info & try to relate it to our models & dios to make them as realistic as possible because I think we owe it to these people who have put themselves on the line to keep us a free people. It is they who have made the English speaking peoples what they are today!
I believe we owe them a debt of gratitude that we could not even begin to repay. I just thank God that we have people like this on our side!
Anyway, vets, keep your anecdotes coming & I look forward to hearing from you.
Take care Brian.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 05:37 AM UTC

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Hi fellas,
I just thought I'd let you all know that my Real Model order has finally arrived this morning! Hurray! I am a very happy bunny today!
Harald, I have to say that the resin kits are really very good. There doesn't appear to be any problems like the ones you encountered. I think that the standards have improved since you purchased yours. While the kit may be more difficult than usual to build I am very much looking forward to the challenge of it.



Hi Joe,

glad to read this. Can´t wait to see a bit of the M(' cargo truck.

Happy Modelling
Harald
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Posted: Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 07:59 AM UTC
Hi Harald,
Thanks. I'll keep you posted on progress!
Have a great weekend.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 10:03 AM UTC
I've just been chatting to Miloslav Hraban who is the proprietor of Real Models in the Czech Republic & I have to say that he is a really nice guy. He really couldn't be more helpful & generous.
I would recommend anybody who might be interested in his exceptional products to pay his website a visit & buy from him directly.
A true gentleman... which is rare these days. Normally, once you've paid your money you are left to get on with it. Not so with Miloslav. He provides a remarkable after sales service.
Thankyou Miloslav. Good luck with your business in the future.
I'll be back next month for more great kits.
All the very best to you.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 11:48 AM UTC
I have done quite a few orders from Real Models and they arrive pretty quick for delivery to the US. Plus shipping costs are not that bad.
Tom
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Posted: Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 12:10 PM UTC
Hi Tom,
Mine took a long time just to ship & then quite a while to get England but it was definitely worth the wait.
As I say, I would whole heartedly recommend anyone paying a visit to Real Model. All in all, a great service.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 12:17 PM UTC

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Hi Brian,
How are you, mate? I was going to email you today to see how you were!
How's your Humvee coming along?
Thanks for the vote of confidence about my threads. I have to agree with, too, that it's the vets who really make these threads, isn't it? They really add a touch of intimate knowledge that you just wouldn't find anywhere else; even in books! They give you a real feel of how the vehicles & equipment that we model really work; what it was like using the hardware & what life was like in a warzone. We can take this info & try to relate it to our models & dios to make them as realistic as possible because I think we owe it to these people who have put themselves on the line to keep us a free people. It is they who have made the English speaking peoples what they are today!
I believe we owe them a debt of gratitude that we could not even begin to repay. I just thank God that we have people like this on our side!
Anyway, vets, keep your anecdotes coming & I look forward to hearing from you.
Take care Brian.
Joe.

I also feel that I should make a special mention to Frenchy here.
While he may not be a veteran he has provided some excellent information for us all & is always on hand with some of the best photos on these threads.
Keep up the good work, Frenchy.
All the very best to you.
Joe.
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Posted: Thursday, April 15, 2010 - 11:24 AM UTC
Just ordered the M52 6x6 Tractor with M127 Semi Trailer from Real Model.
If the M54 Cargo Truck & Satans 'Lil Angel Gun truck are anything to go by then this rig should be some model!
I cant wait to get my hands on it!
I'll keep you posted.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 09:45 AM UTC
Hi fellas,
I was out at a model show today & found that a company called DES kits does a 5ton dolly. The kit number is #35089. Does anybody know the kit I mean?
This would be great to add to the M54 to tow a trailer like the one above.
Excellent!
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 06:19 PM UTC
Hi Joe

According to DesKit website, this dolly is a WW2 one...
http://deskit.online.fr/02_pages/03_materiels_35/materiels_americains_35/35089/35089.htm

HTH

Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 07:10 PM UTC
Hiya Frenchy,
How are you doing? I haven't seen you on one of my threads for a while & as always you come up with the goods!
Thanks for providing the link to the Dolly.
I realise that it is a WWII Dolly but it is very similar to the one shown in this thread above that was used in Vietnam. Apart from the tyres, is there much difference between this DES kits WWII Dolly & the one used in Vietnam? Can anybody help here before I buy?
Any info would be gratefully appreciated guys.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 07:39 PM UTC
At least you can compare it to the M197/M198 TM drawings that can be found here :
http://www.tpub.com/content/operatormanuals/TM-9-2330-203-14-P/index.htm

Maybe the DesKit dolly would be too "light" for a M127 trailer...

Frenchy
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Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 08:01 PM UTC
Hi Frenchy,
That's a great website you sent me there! Where did you find that?
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 08:29 PM UTC
Red fenders were for EOD. I don't know of any other units authorized to use them. They were used stateside as well as in Nam.
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Posted: Saturday, April 17, 2010 - 08:33 PM UTC
Hi Richard,
Thanks for your input. Is there much difference between the DES kits Dolly & the M197/M198 used in Nam or are they the same thing?
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 08:08 AM UTC

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Red fenders were for EOD. I don't know of any other units authorized to use them. They were used stateside as well as in Nam.



I went thru a couple of major incidents involving EOD, and they used plain old O.D. painted 3/4 ton trucks on the one they drove out on. I suspect the reason they did this was so as to not stand out from everybody else. The othertime they flew them out for three days of heavy demolition (place looked like a 155mm junk yard) . But on the otherhand we often did a lot of our own EOD work unless it was just huge or mind boggeling! Charlie didn't bother with EOD crews as to him there was no such thing as a live bomb fuse or dud round.
gary
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Posted: Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 10:42 AM UTC
Gary,
Did you ever come across the other side using your own stuff against you?
Joe.
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Posted: Sunday, April 18, 2010 - 02:38 PM UTC

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Gary,
Did you ever come across the other side using your own stuff against you?
Joe.



I won't go into detail in one extremely sensitive A.O., but let me just put it this way; they'd throw a new AK 47 in the river if they got their hands on a good M2 Carbine or an M16. As a rule they used nothing but Chi Com mortars and recoiless rifles. A couple guys on every howitzer crew are trained to spike the gun (my job) as well as blow the remaining ammo stocks if they are being over run. Never got in that position, but twice I got a little nervous. Remember a pig is useless without the firing lock, but a hundred pound round makes a real nice command detonated mine.
Interestingly as it was, SF teams liked to use certain small arms that came out of Russia or the Balkans. They'd take RPD's and cut the stock back to about 12" and then shorten the barrel to about 18". Thread it for an M14 flash supressor. Makes one of the finest light machineguns on the planet with a near endless supply of ammo. The last base camp I was on used a Russian 57mm recoiless rifle and a couple Russian made mortars. They also had a 106mm recoiless rifle, but saw them shoot it maybe five rounds. They hated the thing due to the hundred foot back blast (but they had a couple hundred rounds for it anyway)
gary
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Posted: Monday, April 26, 2010 - 11:07 AM UTC
Hi fellas,
I've got the truck bug at the moment!
As already stated previously in this thread you will be aware that I have a few trucks that were used during the Vietnam conflict.
I have the AFV Club M35A1 Gun Truck & M35A2 Cargo Truck. I also have the very excellent Real Model M54 Cargo Truck & "Satans 'Lil Angel" M54 Gun Truck. I've recently invested in the M52 5ton 6x6 Tractor with M127 Trailer & "Eve of Destruction" M54 Gun Truck also by Real Model which I am waiting for to be posted.
Now, you will see that I have a lot of work to do!
I have James Lyles excellent book "The Hard Ride - Vietnam Gun Trucks" & a great book that our friend Frenchy put me in touch with called "Circle the Wagons - The History of US Army Convoy Security" by Richard E Killblane.
What I am looking for now are other titles relating to trucks used in Vietnam. They can be reference books, picture books, soldiers stories, etc, etc. Anything will help!
So, does anybody have a great book title in mind about this subject, please?
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks in advance fellas.
Joe.

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Posted: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 - 05:01 AM UTC
Hey guys,
Somebody must know some books related to this subject!
Any unit histories available? Technical drawings? Anything!
Joe.
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Posted: Friday, April 30, 2010 - 09:32 PM UTC
Hi fellas,
As you can see from above I'm getting the M52 Tractor with M127 Trailer.
But was the M54 5ton truck ever used as a tractor unit?
Thanks in advance guys.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 07:31 AM UTC

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Hi fellas,
As you can see from above I'm getting the M52 Tractor with M127 Trailer.
But was the M54 5ton truck ever used as a tractor unit?
Thanks in advance guys.
Joe.



Never saw anybody pulling a trailer during my whole tour, but they were there for sure (we had a big four wheeled one). Take that back I had a fuel tanker hit a mine right in front of me one night up by "Five Four." Five tons were considered to be prime movers, and about the only thing I ever saw them haul was howitzers and ammo; plus an ossassional water tanker trailer. Yet if you went to Da Nang or Chu Lai you'd maybe see a tractor trailer setup being used in and around the base itself. Most all cargo was ferried out by air in my area.
gary
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 07:37 AM UTC
thinking about trucks and the combat zone, I cannot understand why somebody has not came out with a good kit of a dump truck or a 10 ton wrecker! I know there are some resin stuff, but why not a kit made of injection moulded plastic? Combat Engineers used a lot of dump trucks, and believe me they were everywhere!
gary
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 07:43 AM UTC
Hi Gary,
There are some photos on his thread of tractor units pulling trailers & they are definitely in Vietnam.
Real Models does a great dump truck & also a superb looking M543 medium wrecker although they are, as you say, both in resin.
It seems that the Vietnam conflict is very low down the list when it comes to injection moulded plastic kits. They prefer to make a million different versions of the Tiger or T34!
Oh well.
Joe.
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Posted: Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 09:18 AM UTC

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Hi Gary,
There are some photos on his thread of tractor units pulling trailers & they are definitely in Vietnam.
Real Models does a great dump truck & also a superb looking M543 medium wrecker although they are, as you say, both in resin.
It seems that the Vietnam conflict is very low down the list when it comes to injection moulded plastic kits. They prefer to make a million different versions of the Tiger or T34!
Oh well.
Joe.



you have to remember that a semi tractor is kinda limited to where it can travel. Mostly on the coast line, and a few of the bigger cities.
gary